Debating the pros and cons of contributing to NILs, as you were doing HT, is totally cool. Demeaning others for what they do or don't do isn't cool. My post was not directed at you.
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No way. Monte is taking names. I will wait this out.
I prefer to stay out of the NIL debates because I am still trying to understand it.
One thing that is clear to me is if you are a regular poster here and are contributing to NIL and not to Pauls site, something is wrong. This site is clearly a labor of love from which we all benefit no question about a quid pro quo.
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100% Im all for both but this site should be every single posters first priority, IMO
SJU14
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Of course everybody can do whatever they want to do. I think some people suggest contributing because we, the common people, now actually have a chance to make a difference and improve the team. What other sport or team do you have the opportunity?
There's a number of ways one can make a difference; season tickets, donation to school, etc. Contributing to NILs may or may not be one of them. Until there'a some transparency, I'll stay on the sidelines.
It's all about transparency. All we know is guys behind this are lawyers . We don't know how much goes to the players . Also someone said contribute to the team. Love when people want to throw other peoples money around. Just saying. NIL is not a charity . I also love how easy it is for people to say donate YOUR money lol. Yeahhhhh. Giving money to something I love and support? That's called family lol. My painful watching of this team over the years is payment enough lol
95% goes to players.
Soon enough the players will just have their PayPal accounts etc. posted on their school bios and social media sites to get the 100% of $ directly.
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Really interesting…SJ was on my short list but that 2011 season put them over the top for me. I would be lying if I pretended that new national relevance didn’t play a role to me. People who don’t follow major college sports prob think it’s crazy but those in here get it lol. People want to be part of things much bigger than themselves & associate with successful known brands.a spike in applications at a college following athletic success is referred to as the “ Flutie Effect”.
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Will not happen. An NIL deal is a contract between the athlete and the collective or corporate sponsor. There are state guidelines to be followed, an outline of services to be provided, payment schedules, morals and ethics clauses, and requirements ( enrollment in good standing, on active roster, etc). The collectives interact with the school and consolidate non-corporate funds to allocate to specific players. NIL cannot be used as an enticement to attend, so cannot be promised before an athlete has enrolled or accepted.
Again Otis is most versed in this and may be able to answer any questions.
Storm marketing does not solicit funds blindly and answers any questions potential contributors may have.
Think of this: If NIL is so time consuming that schools ate hiring GMs to primarily work with athletes and collectives, the work that the collectives do is similarly time consuming and must be in bounds legally and by state, NCAA, and university rules.
Yes..but that's all current state. Just as fast as it went from gym bags with money to NIL, for all we know it gets blown up in a few years and they are just pros and self contracted. No different than someone donating to someone's youtube channel because they are a fan
Current "system" is awful.
Very easy to say and for the record I have NO IDEA whether it is accurate or not and I
am not intimating it is not accurate.
But I am skeptical of such stats in general where charities or non-profits are involved. One example only, but look up how the donations given to the Red Cross after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti were dispersed and their complete lack of transparency when questions were raised; rather than transparency, the Red Cross strategy was obfuscation based. A major part of their fund raising campaign was to rebuild housing in Haiti, at the 10,000 foot level they raised $500 million and built exactly 6 houses. It is generally thought that about $125 million was dispersed internally, much of it towards that great accounting catch all, general or program expenses.
I realize and acknowledge NIL is different but there is one generally one common denominator when human beings get to spend “other people’s” money, it is abused. Just look at virtually any government, anywhere, anytime.
Worst case scenario, your $120.00 was scammed.
Best case it contributed to our getting a nice ball player and or feeling good about being
part of the SJU Team, camaraderie.
With most fund raising efforts if the entity seeking the funds can show strong support from the little guys it makes its job easier getting support from the big guys.
Not going to defend what is happening in NIL I can tell you that Storm's motivation is winning basketball and that they have gained law firm clients from their nil sponsors.
I hate "donating" after tax dollars to players but the reality is Villanova and all other winning programs are outraising st johns NIL.
Current landscape was explained this way: if VIllanova can give a player 200K to playnfor Neptune the same kid can be convinced to play for rick Pitino for 150k, seeing the big picture of rick getting him to nba and millions of dollars in salary.
So like others can complain and distrust NIL and the collectives, BUT the only thing driving kids coming here is NIL dollars albeit less than they can get elsewhere, to play for Pitino.
Personally I don't care about winning debates on here. I listen to a lot of very smart people and make up my own mind. Still the realities I point out are 100% valid and fans can do whatever makes them happy.
I hate "donating" after tax dollars to players but the reality is Villanova and all other winning programs are outraising st johns NIL.
Current landscape was explained this way: if VIllanova can give a player 200K to playnfor Neptune the same kid can be convinced to play for rick Pitino for 150k, seeing the big picture of rick getting him to nba and millions of dollars in salary.
So like others can complain and distrust NIL and the collectives, BUT the only thing driving kids coming here is NIL dollars albeit less than they can get elsewhere, to play for Pitino.
Personally I don't care about winning debates on here. I listen to a lot of very smart people and make up my own mind. Still the realities I point out are 100% valid and fans can do whatever makes them happy.
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