Staff Addition

[Andrew]

Not going to defend what is happening in NIL I can tell you that Storm's motivation is winning basketball and that they have gained law firm clients from their nil sponsors.

I hate "donating" after tax dollars to players but the reality is Villanova and all other winning programs are outraising st johns NIL.

Current landscape was explained this way: if VIllanova can give a player 200K to playnfor Neptune the same kid can be convinced to play for rick Pitino for 150k, seeing the big picture of rick getting him to nba and millions of dollars in salary.

So like others can complain and distrust NIL and the collectives, BUT the only thing driving kids coming here is NIL dollars albeit less than they can get elsewhere, to play for Pitino.

Personally I don't care about winning debates on here. I listen to a lot of very smart people and make up my own mind. Still the realities I point out are 100% valid and fans can do whatever makes them happy.

That is good information. It would be interesting to know how much money each school has allocated to basketball NIL. With most of these collectives not being charities I am not sure if there are any filing requirements and even then it would be impossible to know how much Michigan allocates to football vs basketball. Would be interesting though.

 

[Beasts of the East]

That is good information. It would be interesting to know how much money each school has allocated to basketball NIL. With most of these collectives not being charities I am not sure if there are any filing requirements and even then it would be impossible to know how much Michigan allocates to football vs basketball. Would be interesting though.

To me one if the worst things are most mid majors are not raising significant NIL $. So now more than ever with the portal when those schools get lucky with a breakout player, he is gone.

Someone told me a great college football team has to raise 30-40 million annually in NIL to maintain a top program. Obviously their fans are kicking in.

 

[MCNPA]

To me one if the worst things are most mid majors are not raising significant NIL $. So now more than ever with the portal when those schools get lucky with a breakout player, he is gone.

Someone told me a great college football team has to raise 30-40 million annually in NIL to maintain a top program. Obviously their fans are kicking in.

Agree it’s the haves and have nots now to a bigger degree. The only good thing for us is our history and geography combined with the fact that that we only have to fund up to 13 players, not the million a football team has to.

 

[IDRAFT]

I do not doubt Villanova and Georgetown are out raising SJU in NIL. I don’t think that is related to a bunch of $120 donations. Those schools are more prestigious and have many more rich graduates. I think it will be very difficult for SJU to outraise many schools and I recognize that’s an issue. It is what it is and in ten years who knows if the team will be relevant.

Groups like Storm Marketing are tapping into the most diehard fans right now. Those are not a large number and never will be. Most people who follow SJU are not going to go into their wallet more than they have to.

If SJU cannot identify and access large wallets the initiative will be unsustainable.

 

[njfan]

I agree nobody should be shamed to donate yes the basketball team been a fan for 25 plus years. Just like a ya lee ram why should I help pay a Yankees salary? Um nope I had a billion dollars yes but when ya work two jobs etc.... nope lol

 

[MCNPA]

I’ll add and I said this before, this is a donation. A donation is given generally in lieu of getting something back. One donates because they love the school, support the cause etc. and what we get back is the joy on having supported our team. There is also joy in winning and the more support the team gets from everybody, the more we can afford to do.

Look at all the successful programs and the common denominator is money. You think fans of all those great UK or UCLA or UConn teams in the past were worried about the transparency? We don’t make the rules, but refusing to play the game only handicaps us in a practical sense.

SJU has not filled coffers with gold over the past few decades, we have played from behind. Other schools load up with money from donors. I live in a town where the prep school(high school) has an endowment of over 1.5 billion, and that money isn’t given for a free t-shirt I’m sure.

Everybody can do what they want to do, but we all spend inordinate amounts of time following this program. If you can do it, I think spending a few bucks on this wonderful site, a few bucks on red-white and a few bucks on NIL is right in our wheelhouse regardless of transparency.

 

[MCNPA]

I shouldn’t have said regardless of transparency as that’s not really what I meant. Transparency is important. I just meant that we are losing to programs who donate and don’t care about that stuff and just want to win.

 

[Beasts of the East]

I shouldn’t have said regardless of transparency as that’s not really what I meant. Transparency is important. I just meant that we are losing to programs who donate and don’t care Do you really think that are fans who are donating more than $10000 to NIL aren't asking where it's going to and being? Shown some type of data that supports it? If that's the case and that's the only thing holding somebody back. From NIL contributions then I would say call stone marketing and they will tell you everything you want to know.

 

[Knight]

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STAFF ADDITIONS.

 

[L J S A]

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STAFF ADDITIONS.

What's the new staff member in charge of?

 

[BrooklynRed]

Big NIL dollars are harder to get here than they are in Lexington or Norman or Tuscaloosa because the enties that have the money to use athletic endorsements for their products because they can get professional athletes from Mets, Yanks, Jets, Giants, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Islanders who have a lot more recognition in a "Pro Town" like NYC.

 

[bamafan]

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STAFF ADDITIONS.

You didn’t say it loud enough for some and it’s why curse words should be allowed on this site if not encouraged!

 

[MCNPA]

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STAFF ADDITIONS.

Yes and we have added our final spot to the staff who handles NIL. I think it’s pertinent to the addition even if on a tangent a bit.

 

[Section9]

curse words ahould be allowed on this site if not encouraged!

Agree, as long as paragraph discipline is maintained.

 

[swish]

Big NIL dollars are harder to get here than they are in Lexington or Norman or Tuscaloosa because the enties that have the money to use athletic endorsements for their products because they can get professional athletes from Mets, Yanks, Jets, Giants, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Islanders who have a lot more recognition in a "Pro Town" like NYC.

 

[swish]

Big NIL dollars are harder to get here than they are in Lexington or Norman or Tuscaloosa because the enties that have the money to use athletic endorsements for their products because they can get professional athletes from Mets, Yanks, Jets, Giants, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Islanders who have a lot more recognition in a "Pro Town" like NYC.

Yup, "Will take Manht, The Bronx, and Staten Isl. too."

"The Great Big City's a Wondrous Toy, and tell me what street
compares with Wall St--None.. ENORMOUS ! $$$$

We are next to financially ripe, low hanging fruit, just screaming to be plumped.
Opportunity is knocking, begging. Just show this town some worthy
Cagers.
Go get em again Rick and you will deservedly own us.

 

[logen]

I’ll add and I said this before, this is a donation. A donation is given generally in lieu of getting something back. One donates because they love the school, support the cause etc. and what we get back is the joy on having supported our team. There is also joy in winning and the more support the team gets from everybody, the more we can afford to do.

Look at all the successful programs and the common denominator is money. You think fans of all those great UK or UCLA or UConn teams in the past were worried about the transparency? We don’t make the rules, but refusing to play the game only handicaps us in a practical sense.

SJU has not filled coffers with gold over the past few decades, we have played from behind. Other schools load up with money from donors. I live in a town where the prep school(high school) has an endowment of over 1.5 billion, and that money isn’t given for a free t-shirt I’m sure.

Everybody can do what they want to do, but we all spend inordinate amounts of time following this program. If you can do it, I think spending a few bucks on this wonderful site, a few bucks on red-white and a few bucks on NIL is right in our wheelhouse regardless of transparency.

Let’s leave it at “Everybody can do what they want to do”, because if you don’t care about transparency, I do. I see no reason why someone who insists they are honest, would have a problem being open and transparent. But that’s just me. I work hard for my money and am very generous but if anyone wants a donation and then plays the “trust me” card, I’m gone.
And again, I am not directing my comments in the least towards Storm Marketing, I know little to nothing about them and unless shown otherwise I will assume they are completely honest. I got into the conversation because of posts like the one above, poo pooing people who care about transparency when donating. Why would I give a rats behind what UK or UCLA or Uconn fans do. On the one hand posters here consistently mock and ridicule their fans but now want to try to convince others it is important to emulate them financially?
I am a basketball lifer, a junkie since I was about 12 but personally, I don’t agree with paying college athletes; I don’t agree with the idea that a college scholarship is not payment, I don’t think that because NCAA and college administrators, college coaches, shoe companies, etc. completely corrupted college athletics to their own personal financial gains, that the solution to making that right is to make college players professionals and then figuring out a methodology to have fans foot that bill. IMO, NIL is just the latest corrupt branch on the tree planted by the greedy hypocrites listed above; and the biggest irony is it is almost the perfect con, instead of those SOBs having to give up some of their share of the pie, they kept every rotten cent gained in their slimy pockets and pushed the players “salaries“ down to the fans.
One final question for those who think donations from the “little guys” will either make a financial difference or more to the point, make big fund raising easier? How did the Kentucky’s, the Duke’s, the Kansas’s, the UConn’s, etc. able to get the “under the table” monies they thrived on for so long without the grassroots, nickel and dime donations? The answer is simple, big money is not affected one iota by little money, not one iota.

 

[ras]

Not going to defend what is happening in NIL I can tell you that Storm's motivation is winning basketball and that they have gained law firm clients from their nil sponsors.

I hate "donating" after tax dollars to players but the reality is Villanova and all other winning programs are outraising st johns NIL.

Current landscape was explained this way: if VIllanova can give a player 200K to playnfor Neptune the same kid can be convinced to play for rick Pitino for 150k, seeing the big picture of rick getting him to nba and millions of dollars in salary.

So like others can complain and distrust NIL and the collectives, BUT the only thing driving kids coming here is NIL dollars albeit less than they can get elsewhere, to play for Pitino.

Personally I don't care about winning debates on here. I listen to a lot of very smart people and make up my own mind. Still the realities I point out are 100% valid and fans can do whatever makes them happy.

I read this thread and I think of all the posters who were against the Pitino hire. We got lucky.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Agree, as long as paragraph discipline is maintained.

Hell F’ing yeah

 

[monte]

Let’s leave it at “Everybody can do what they want to do”, because if you don’t care about transparency, I do. I see no reason why someone who insists they are honest, would have a problem being open and transparent. But that’s just me. I work hard for my money and am very generous but if anyone wants a donation and then plays the “trust me” card, I’m gone.
And again, I am not directing my comments in the least towards Storm Marketing, I know little to nothing about them and unless shown otherwise I will assume they are completely honest. I got into the conversation because of posts like the one above, poo pooing people who care about transparency when donating. Why would I give a rats behind what UK or UCLA or Uconn fans do. On the one hand posters here consistently mock and ridicule their fans but now want to try to convince others it is important to emulate them financially?
I am a basketball lifer, a junkie since I was about 12 but personally, I don’t agree with paying college athletes; I don’t agree with the idea that a college scholarship is not payment, I don’t think that because NCAA and college administrators, college coaches, shoe companies, etc. completely corrupted college athletics to their own personal financial gains, that the solution to making that right is to make college players professionals and then figuring out a methodology to have fans foot that bill. IMO, NIL is just the latest corrupt branch on the tree planted by the greedy hypocrites listed above; and the biggest irony is it is almost the perfect con, instead of those SOBs having to give up some of their share of the pie, they kept every rotten cent gained in their slimy pockets and pushed the players “salaries“ down to the fans.
One final question for those who think donations from the “little guys” will either make a financial difference or more to the point, make big fund raising easier? How did the Kentucky’s, the Duke’s, the Kansas’s, the UConn’s, etc. able to get the “under the table” monies they thrived on for so long without the grassroots, nickel and dime donations? The answer is simple, big money is not affected one iota by little money, not one iota.

+1,000