So after tonight should Lavin...

[newsman13]

This is what we can always expect from Lavin. He sees himself as more of a teacher than a coach. Lavin recruits good players. Good but soft. Dunlap was the hardass we miss. He needs to get a few two or three star NYC players who can toughen up the rest of the guys. I can't remember a team this soft at St John's. He can get NYC guys. He probably can't get Mcdonald AA's. That's too bad because you win with stars, not x's and o's.

If we extend Lavin, we'll get Looie results. Looies players weren't soft, but he never had a deep enough bench to go very far.

I hate to say it, but I'm becoming more realistic. This team will always disappoint. If you bring in a mid major coach, it'll disappoint more. Lavin will at least get us to a post season more often than not.

Extend him.

Some might read that as cynical, especially given your image, but it's really rational. However Lou took 15 of his last 17 teams to the dance (88%) and the other two to the NIT including the championship 1 year. Now anyone who thinks STJ can become Duke, Ky, Kansas, etc... is clearly delusional (sometimes I wonder if you fit that mold or if you just find it hard to shift away from unachievably high standards) but do you think Lavin, or anyone else for that matter, is going to mirror Lou's achievements? Honest question. It's a far more competitive landscape on one side while the program, both internally and externally, has been lowered in appeal on the other. I'd love to have someone who would make the dance more than 60% of the time myself and yet I'm not even sure that is reasonable.

As you know, I've worked in places where they kept score between us and our counterparts...and we always won. Unachievably high standards? Achieving the impossible doesn't take great people, it takes a winner's mindset.
I've sadly come to realize after all these years that the school doesn't have that mindset and never will. The administration definition of achievement is to make sure the school isn't embarassed. Lavin was our last hope, with a winning record at a program that demanded excellence. Unless you replace him with someone who won at the highest level, you'll end up with same result. I wonder what Repole is thinking today.

Lately I've found myself agreeing with you on a surprising number of topics Newsie. But why can't you fathom a midmajor coach or an assistant somewhere succeeding?
Look where these guys were just before they blew up... Jay Wright we know, Izzo was an asst, Thad Matta was at Xavier, Bo Ryan was at Milwaukee, Fran McCaffrey was at Siena, even little Pitino looks to be doing well ... the list is almost infinite. Most good coaches aren't retreads that have been let go and are looking for a job. Your best chance to get a good coach is to catch one on the way up. Am I wrong?

You're absolutely right. I just have a problem with our pitiful track record. We need to go for a sure thing, otherwise it's another four or five years down the drain. I already have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. That's why my mindset is different than the younger posters.

 

[usguard]

lavin is one of these expert marketers who knows every buzzword in the book.. very persuasive but lacking in substance. If I hear the words gumption and pluck one more time....

How do you think he married such a beautiful women

Maybe he is just a damn nice caring guy. I am still behind coach until end of 2015 and evaluate results at that time
We are as a program still headed in the right direction. Perhaps not as fast as some would like but think we will make the NCAA in both 2014 and 2015

 

[tom in salem]

lavin is one of these expert marketers who knows every buzzword in the book.. very persuasive but lacking in substance. If I hear the words gumption and pluck one more time....

How do you think he married such a beautiful women

Maybe he is just a damn nice caring guy. I am still behind coach until end of 2015 and evaluate results at that time
We are as a program still headed in the right direction. Perhaps not as fast as some would like but think we will make the NCAA in both 2014 and 2015

2014?

 

[stjohnschris]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

 

[usguard]

lavin is one of these expert marketers who knows every buzzword in the book.. very persuasive but lacking in substance. If I hear the words gumption and pluck one more time....

How do you think he married such a beautiful women

Maybe he is just a damn nice caring guy. I am still behind coach until end of 2015 and evaluate results at that time
We are as a program still headed in the right direction. Perhaps not as fast as some would like but think we will make the NCAA in both 2014 and 2015 quote]

Correction 2015 and 2016 Thanks for pointing that out

 

[terrificboss]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

 

[shamsman2]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

It's two different skill sets, and he has proven it over 7 years. We on this board declare people losers and castigate them over and over. I hope you are as successful in your career as Lavin has been in broadcasting. In coaching not so much.

 

[redfazed]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

It's two different skill sets, and he has proven it over 7 years. We on this board declare people losers and castigate them over and over. I hope you are as successful in your career as Lavin has been in broadcasting. In coaching not so much.

The real question is: why was he an analyst for 7 years? If he was a real D1 coach, someone would have picked him off much sooner. Even Bruce Pearl was hired after only 3 years and that was after a major scandal.

 

[MJDinkins]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

It's two different skill sets, and he has proven it over 7 years. We on this board declare people losers and castigate them over and over. I hope you are as successful in your career as Lavin has been in broadcasting. In coaching not so much.

The real question is: why was he an analyst for 7 years? If he was a real D1 coach, someone would have picked him off much sooner. Even Bruce Pearl was hired after only 3 years and that was after a major scandal.

Dick Vermeil was an analyst for 15 years before he decided to coach again. Besides, Lavin could've had the NC State job prior to Sidney Lowe accepting it in 2006.

Some of y'all continue to not disappoint.

 

[redfazed]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

It's two different skill sets, and he has proven it over 7 years. We on this board declare people losers and castigate them over and over. I hope you are as successful in your career as Lavin has been in broadcasting. In coaching not so much.

The real question is: why was he an analyst for 7 years? If he was a real D1 coach, someone would have picked him off much sooner. Even Bruce Pearl was hired after only 3 years and that was after a major scandal.

Dick Vermeil was an analyst for 15 years before he decided to coach again. Besides, Lavin could've had the NC State job prior to Sidney Lowe accepting it in 2006.

Some of y'all continue to not disappoint.

Dick Vermeil was like 60 years old when he returned to coaching. Lavin was in the prime of his working career, you can't compare the two. As for NC state, who knows what really went on behind the scenes?

PS: Who else did Lavin "turn down" from 2006 to coming here?

 

[MJDinkins]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

It's two different skill sets, and he has proven it over 7 years. We on this board declare people losers and castigate them over and over. I hope you are as successful in your career as Lavin has been in broadcasting. In coaching not so much.

The real question is: why was he an analyst for 7 years? If he was a real D1 coach, someone would have picked him off much sooner. Even Bruce Pearl was hired after only 3 years and that was after a major scandal.

Dick Vermeil was an analyst for 15 years before he decided to coach again. Besides, Lavin could've had the NC State job prior to Sidney Lowe accepting it in 2006.

Some of y'all continue to not disappoint.

Dick Vermeil was like 60 years old when he returned to coaching. Lavin was in the prime of his working career, you can't compare the two. As for NC state, who knows what really went on behind the scenes?

Vermeil's age and when he returned is irrevelant. The fact is he returned after a long hiatus (which, was the premise of your argument).

We don't know what went on behind the scenes at NC State, but we DO KNOW he could've gotten the job and turned it down.

 

[MJDinkins]

PS: Who else did Lavin "turn down" from 2006 to coming here?

Irrelevant.

 

[redfazed]

We are all pissed, but he deserves an extenstion. Two 20-win seasons...cancer...replacing his 1st assistant....losing a top 15 pick unexpectedly after a year....no senior yet...huge turnover he had to replace year 2.

Give him a two year extension and layout the expectations.

I wonder if we'd all feel better if at the end of the NIT loss he tossed chairs onto the court and choked a few players?

Probably

I wouldn't feel better. But I wonder how the Lavin haters would react to that?

I don't hate Lavin but know he is a poor coach. Afterall, how many years does it take to develop an offense and a defense. After UCLA didn't he learn anything during his analyst tenure?

Lavin has no business being a basketball analyst

He was considered one of the "better" analysts too. That sure tells us all something!

It's two different skill sets, and he has proven it over 7 years. We on this board declare people losers and castigate them over and over. I hope you are as successful in your career as Lavin has been in broadcasting. In coaching not so much.

The real question is: why was he an analyst for 7 years? If he was a real D1 coach, someone would have picked him off much sooner. Even Bruce Pearl was hired after only 3 years and that was after a major scandal.

Dick Vermeil was an analyst for 15 years before he decided to coach again. Besides, Lavin could've had the NC State job prior to Sidney Lowe accepting it in 2006.

Some of y'all continue to not disappoint.

Dick Vermeil was like 60 years old when he returned to coaching. Lavin was in the prime of his working career, you can't compare the two. As for NC state, who knows what really went on behind the scenes?

Vermeil's age and when he returned is irrevelant. The fact is he returned after a long hiatus (which, was the premise of your argument).

We don't know what went on behind the scenes at NC State, but we DO KNOW he could've gotten the job and turned it down.

Fine. As for Lavin's contract extension? Sold to you.

 

[nymase]

Didn't Lavin also turn down overtures from Depaul?

 

[MJDinkins]

Fine. As for Lavin's contract extension? Sold to you.

Sold to me? Kinda vague.

Nevertheless, I debunked your argument and now you're moving the backboard. Good job.

 

[MJDinkins]

Didn't Lavin also turn down overtures from Depaul?

Yep. I, actually had forgot about that one.

 

[redfazed]

Fine. As for Lavin's contract extension? Sold to you.

Sold to me? Kinda vague.

Nevertheless, I debunk your argument and now you're moving the backboard. Good job.

You haven't debunked my argument in the slightest. When a guy in his peak earnings years gets fired and then takes 7 years to return --in the meantime taking a huge pay cut--then people wonder.

But if it makes you feel better to think that all kinds of high-majors were clamoring for him, then fine.

 

[MJDinkins]

Fine. As for Lavin's contract extension? Sold to you.

Sold to me? Kinda vague.

Nevertheless, I debunk your argument and now you're moving the backboard. Good job.

You haven't debunked my argument in the slightest. When a guy in his peak earnings years gets fired and then takes 7 years to return --in the meantime taking a huge pay cut--then people wonder.

But if it makes you feel better to think that all kinds of high-majors were clamoring for him, then fine.

You're reaching.

Not to mention, where did I say all kinds of high-majors were targeting him?

 

[bamafan]

Moot point anyway. So NC ST almost made the same mistake we did.

 

[redfazed]

Fine. As for Lavin's contract extension? Sold to you.

Sold to me? Kinda vague.

Nevertheless, I debunked your argument and now you're moving the backboard. Good job.

“Sold to you” is vague? Ok….I’ll spell it out. After this disaster of a season, I’m not buying Lavin’s PR campaign to have his contract extended. You seem to be buying it. Sold to you.

Oh, and I know you’ll especially enjoy the 2015 season, when the “youngest team in America” puts “hammer to rock” as it embarks upon its “life lessons.”