westchesterjoe
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i believe P.Simmons is really P. Simmons. i'm backing you P. S, KICK, Mr. Moron's Butt.
So after tonight should Lavin...
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i believe P.Simmons is really P. Simmons. i'm backing you P. S, KICK, Mr. Moron's Butt.
Avon Barksdale
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i think Marillac is really Steve Lavin.
who else would still support the "coach" after our back-to-back performances to end the season??
When I first started posting Dinkins and Marillac got under my skin as well. They would call me Real Fan or some other poster. I got used to both of them and I think they are two of the most knowledgeable and useful posters on this board. You don't have to agree with them to see their value.
Avon Barksdale
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i was kidding
beast of the east
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You've really got to be kidding regarding Lavin's career as an analyst. Who in their right mind would really covet the UCLA job, to make the Sweet 16 five out of seven season, and then get fired because that wasn't good enough? I don't have a record book in front of me, but I'm going to bet that there are but a handful of coaches over the past 60 years who have gone that deep into the tournament on a 7 year run - and I'm also guessing that number shrinks considerably once you go to a 64 team field. Who really knows or cares if its the players or the coaches who get you that far, or keep you from going further. Success is success, and that record is as successful as anyones.
You want to keep going back and dredging up a-holes from UCLA who didn't know how effing spoiled they were to to have arguably the greatest coach in history nail Alcindor, Walton and a slew of fabulous players over an extended period and ride them to championships. Well, boo hoo, the world is competitive.
LAvin was an analyst for seven years because quite frankly, he has great communication skills. They don't earn dirt pay, they don't get criticized after losses, and they get summers off. You want to denigrate Keith Hernandez' knowledge of baseball, or Ron Darling's because they didn't plunge into managing where they could make more money. Believe it or not, for some people, money isn't everything.
LOL
Marillac is so confused with all the new namesand so bad at guessing who is who. MJMaher, MJDinkins, and Moose would destroy Marillac in Clue. Andrew2 has grown on me as a poster.
So Marillac, Clue is your admitted kryptonite. You better hope Pointer never hears about this, or he will rip your Clue strategy, the way you have no idea how to position yourself properly on the (clue) board, consistently getting blocked out of rooms, your missed clues, and the way you always bet beat by an opponent. I bet Pointer is in Marillac Hall right now cleaning everyone's clock at Clue.
Beast - you are so far off with your critique of UCLA. Yes, their fans are somewhat spoiled. Arguably they wouldn't be pleased with anyone.
But Lavin was promoted barely two years after being a graduate assistant. He had virtually no experience.
And he took top recruiting classes while he was there - which will all point to as some of his biggest successes - and he turned in the worst season in 55 years for UCLA. And that was after 3 straight top 10 recruiting classes. How do you fail that miserably with that much talent?
But what's more significant - is that he simply was/ and is now, over his head. To a large extent players win games, so his players now should not be without fault. Coaches can only do so much. BUT - Lavin just talks. He never actually says anything meaningful. Ever. He never seems to have a clue as to what is actually holding the team back?
Last night at halftime the asked Pitino what needed to be different in the second half, and the first thing he said was "well senior players, star players, need to have better shot selection than Russ is giving us right now. We're putting up up too many bad shots early in the clock".
I have never ever heard Lavin say they were losing because player X was doing something wrong. Have you?
That's not to say Pitino's style is the only one that works - but I truly never hear anything from Lavin that suggests he knows which end is up.
beast of the east
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I agree that his final season was a disaster. When the wheels fall off, sometimes the whole team just quits, sometimes the coach self destructs (Doherty at UNC). But then again, the objective criteria is the success he had in 5 seasons. Call it whatever you want - underachieving with fantastic talent, overachieving with mediocre talent, but in 5 of those years he reached the Sweet 16,
I was reading an article about the things losing coaches say at press conferences, and the writer's opinion was that, since when does what a losing coach say really matters. If the Patriots lose, does anyone really think Belichek screaming that he was cheated diminish him? All that matters is winning and losing. When Willie Randolph lost with he MEts, he was torched by what he said after losses. But if he had won and spouted the same vagaries no won would care. Would you rather a Bobby Knight, or Bobby Valentine, who often wouldn't dignify a ridiculous question by replying, "What does of idiot are you?", "Who the hell do you think you are?" or some other pleasantry - and this is from two guys who are highly regarded for their knowledge of their games.
Frankly, if our team won more, I couldn't care if Lavin sang and danced at press conferences. I never pay attention to that stuff anyways, win or lose.
You are absolutely right correct in that view. I wish I could be that disciplined.
I prefer to think my coach is "smart", I want him to talk like Pitino or Knight or Buck Showalter. A guy who really knows the game.
But the truth is if we were winning, I would have less of a problem with what coach says in his press conferences. And I even knew when he came in that we would get some of this. He told us upfront he saw his role as that of GM of the program, and even in his year away he said the same thing.
And I guess that style could work if he surrounded himself with guys who would scout the opponents and do the stuff we heard Dunlap was known for. (and I say that reluctantly, because I don't think Dunlap was the end-all-be-all, but he fit that role of sidekick well.)
tom in salem
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Am I the only one who had to google Showalter?
LOL
Marillac is so confused with all the new names
So Marillac, Clue is your admitted kryptonite. You better hope Pointer never hears about this, or he will rip your Clue strategy, the way you have no idea how to position yourself properly on the (clue) board, consistently getting blocked out of rooms, your missed clues, and the way you always bet beat by an opponent. I bet Pointer is in Marillac Hall right now cleaning everyone's clock at Clue.
Hahaha I don't know how MJ and the crew do it. I feel like they would have to explaina "who done it" movie to me.
I think eveyrone is Real Fan or Joe3.
Seriously, who but the staff is to blame when a team comes out flat? I am not sure about Lavin's recruiting skills, but surely he could have done better at recruiting solid citizens. I've about had it with Harrison and Obeka and their attitudes. Has Harrison really improved his attitude? Yeah, better than last season but he still sulks, doesn't share the ball, and dogs it on defense. Yes he's the leading scorer but his antics when he hits a three or when he gets called for a foul would warrant him a seat next to me if I were coaching this team. I could go on about individuals and the way they don't play but the real thing is do we want a coach who teaches character or one who coaches characters. Ours ia an alma mater who proudly holds up a history of two coaching giants in Lapchick and Carnasecca. We can and should do better.