SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities

[ohiofan]

Local player

Cincinnati’s Keith Williams has entered the transfer portal, the portal told @Stadium. 

Is he still in the draft or did he already pull out?

 

[Alex9045]

Local player

Cincinnati’s Keith Williams has entered the transfer portal, the portal told @Stadium. 

Bishop Loughlin Kid, just like Julian. He'd be a great get if we can't land an Alvarado type player. 

 

[MCNPA]

us guard is right on with if there is a will there is a way. Really old posters may remember the Knicks of the early fifties and Ernie Vanderweigh arriving at games sometimes in the middle of the first quarter and sometimes even later. Ernie was attending Cornell medical school but wanted to play and Lapchick wanted him on the roster and they worked it out.
Ernie was an all American and Lapchick loved him and that influenced the arrangement so if the SJU staff feels this recruit can contribute and the fact he would be going to class on campus I assume it would probably come down to how badly the staff want him.

The PA school is not on campus.  It’s on Horace Harding.  PA school is a lot more intense than the first year of medical school, and several years of medical school information is packed into 1 year.  The first year of medical school is especially easy schedule-wise as it’s just basic sciences and classes and much more flexible and forgiving than PA school.  They’re not comparable in terms of course load.  

 

[Moose]

Local player

Cincinnati’s Keith Williams has entered the transfer portal, the portal told @Stadium. 

Bishop Loughlin Kid, just like Julian. He'd be a great get if we can't land an Alvarado type player. 

He's def close with Julian

 

[L J S A]

I find this Williams development quite interesting. Hopefully staff agrees with me.

 

[capmaker]

https://247sports.com/college/cinci...CAA-Transfer-Portal-NBA-Draft-2021-167160317/

https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/keith-williams/9787

 

[Anthony Mattia]

I find this Williams development quite interesting. Hopefully staff agrees with me.
 

Just curious as to why you find this so interesting.  I see a 6'5 guard (which I like) that shot 31% from 3 (don't like), 65% from the line and had an assist to turnover ratio of just about 1 to 1.  Is it just that he is local?  Friends with JC?  Admittedly, I have ever seen him play, but t seems like so many get so excited about a kid being local whether he can play well or not.  Honestly, if he comes here and puts up those numbers there will be people saying he should transfer and we need better talent than this to compete.  Not trying to attack you in any way, just not sure what there is that is so interesting.

 

[Alex9045]

Spoke with a good buddy of mine who is a UC Season Ticket holder. Williams was arguably the best player on the team. Elite athleticism and defense, not a great shooter. Around the basket type of guy. Thinks he'd be a perfect in an up-tempo, pressure defense system like CMA's. He also mentioned that on a good team, he will be a league DPOY candidate.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I find this Williams development quite interesting. Hopefully staff agrees with me.


 

Just curious as to why you find this so interesting.  I see a 6'5 guard (which I like) that shot 31% from 3 (don't like), 65% from the line and had an assist to turnover ratio of just about 1 to 1.  Is it just that he is local?  Friends with JC?  Admittedly, I have ever seen him play, but t seems like so many get so excited about a kid being local whether he can play well or not.  Honestly, if he comes here and puts up those numbers there will be people saying he should transfer and we need better talent than this to compete.  Not trying to attack you in any way, just not sure what there is that is so interesting.

Mostly I agree with you, but I would have preferred him over someone else we took. His per 40 stats in conference (14 games) are impressive:

21 pts, 6.5 rebs, 4 assists, 1.8 steals, 1.2 blocks and shot 34% from 3 on about 5 attempts a game. High turnovers and foul rate tho.

 

[Notanalum]

For those who haven’t seen him, Williams is the type of guard providence gets year after year that gives us fits. Big, athletic and physical. Not a great shooter but he’s no Justin Simon.  He’s a typical nyc high major guard. Checks all the boxes.  The kid is a starter on this team with or without Julian. 

 

[L J S A]

I find this Williams development quite interesting. Hopefully staff agrees with me.

 

Just curious as to why you find this so interesting.  I see a 6'5 guard (which I like) that shot 31% from 3 (don't like), 65% from the line and had an assist to turnover ratio of just about 1 to 1.  Is it just that he is local?  Friends with JC?  Admittedly, I have ever seen him play, but t seems like so many get so excited about a kid being local whether he can play well or not.  Honestly, if he comes here and puts up those numbers there will be people saying he should transfer and we need better talent than this to compete.  Not trying to attack you in any way, just not sure what there is that is so interesting.

He averaged more ppg than Smith in a better conference. And I think he's better than Mathis. Plus he's coming out of a program that has traditionally emphasized playing tough D.

Posters keep saying we need another kid or two. Well, it's almost July and we'd be lucky to get this kid at this late a date.

If him being a New Yorker and friends with JC gives us a boost, I'm all for it.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I agree with Amase and Anthony......we already added a big, athletic guard that doesn't shoot well.  Perhaps Williams is a better version, but we can't load up on this type of player.  

 

[Las Vegan]

I agree with Amase and Anthony......we already added a big, athletic guard that doesn't shoot well.  Perhaps Williams is a better version, but we can't load up on this type of player.  

While I like the idea of getting another quality player, with a CHSAA background, we still need a back-up point. 
 

 

[MakingPlays]

I agree with Amase and Anthony......we already added a big, athletic guard that doesn't shoot well.  Perhaps Williams is a better version, but we can't load up on this type of player.  

I think Williams is exactly the type of player CMA looks for... defensive first, tough, athletic, long and can guard multiple positions. Why would you not want another player like that especially one that averaged 14 PPG on a Cincinnati program that has lived in the NCAA tournament the past decade.  Williams started on a team that won a game in the NCAA tournament a couple years ago, that experience is invaluable, if you're a coach you want to add guys like this that are use to winning.  There's more to basketball and determining a players worth than just strictly looking at their 3 point %.  Posh shot 29% from three and I think everybody on here would sign-up for a team that had 10 players that play basketball the way Posh does.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I agree with Amase and Anthony......we already added a big, athletic guard that doesn't shoot well.  Perhaps Williams is a better version, but we can't load up on this type of player.  

I think Williams is exactly the type of player CMA looks for... defensive first, tough, athletic, long and can guard multiple positions. Why would you not want another player like that especially one that averaged 14 PPG on a Cincinnati program that has lived in the NCAA tournament the past decade.  Williams started on a team that won a game in the NCAA tournament a couple years ago, that experience is invaluable, if you're a coach you want to add guys like this that are use to winning.  There's more to basketball and determining a players worth than just strictly looking at their 3 point %.  Posh shot 29% from three and I think everybody on here would sign-up for a team that had 10 players that play basketball the way Posh does.

If he can play defense like Posh I'm all for it

 

[SJU85]

Not saying we should or shouldn’t go after him but as others have stated, as we get closer to the deadline to withdraw from the draft, you will start to see some quality players withdrawing from the draft and entering the portal. Williams Is one, stay turned for others.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I agree with Amase and Anthony......we already added a big, athletic guard that doesn't shoot well.  Perhaps Williams is a better version, but we can't load up on this type of player.  

Agreeing with all those points you made but I didn’t say I wouldn’t take him. We have two spots (fingers crossed)  but I’m not sure what it would mean for Mathis who Williams would seem to fill all those same holes and perhaps better (facilitating & shooting). I love wusu and I see smith getting major time, I’m not sure there is enough space for all of them and playing too many non shooters together IMO can lower the ceiling on your team.

That said, in a hypothetical world where it’s either Williams or a combo guard around his level, we would be better served taking the combo IMO. But because Williams brings some considerable assist numbers to the table, i might be inclined to take him over a lesser combo guard. 

 

[JohnnyFan]

I agree with Amase and Anthony......we already added a big, athletic guard that doesn't shoot well.  Perhaps Williams is a better version, but we can't load up on this type of player.  

I think Williams is exactly the type of player CMA looks for... defensive first, tough, athletic, long and can guard multiple positions. Why would you not want another player like that especially one that averaged 14 PPG on a Cincinnati program that has lived in the NCAA tournament the past decade.  Williams started on a team that won a game in the NCAA tournament a couple years ago, that experience is invaluable, if you're a coach you want to add guys like this that are use to winning.  There's more to basketball and determining a players worth than just strictly looking at their 3 point %.  Posh shot 29% from three and I think everybody on here would sign-up for a team that had 10 players that play basketball the way Posh does.

You make good points and I do value this type of player.  I also agree there is more to player evaluation than 3pt shooting.  That said, if you have four guards in your rotation shooting at or below 31% from the arc, it begins to be a problem.  

 

[SJU14]

Deadline to enter transfer portal and be immediately eligible for this upcoming season is 2 days away fwiw

 

[Moose]

Do I wish Williams was a better shooter from deep?  Sure absolutely.  I do hope for shooters because the art of the mid range jumper is gone and most teams either run and gun or wait for the open 3 and hope it goes in.

But CMA seems to go for a certain type of kid.  Years ago Jay Wright sent out 4 guards for how many years straight and it worked.  If CMA wants to send out a PG, C and 3 tweener athletes (with another 3 on the bench) who run and jump and play suffocating defense I don't have an issue with that.

*Also not sure what option Williams was at Cincy but he put up close to 15 ppg.  On SJU behind Julian and Posh he becomes option 3 and 4 and maybe he gets more open looks and the % goes up