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redmanwest said:
I am not sure what you mean but if we're treating the 20 year old as a professional (as opposed to a student athlete) and paying him as such, he is subject to criticism as a professional. Just sayin'.

There is a large and legitimate issue about what "fair compensation" is and what the state of college sports should be. Just because someone does not view this as comparable to purely professional athletics does not mean they are wrong or that there is not something wrong with how the old system has devolved in a chaotic mess to the "new order".

Changes are warranted and will come, but how it has started and how it will end will eradicate a paradigm that existed for a long time, that suited most everyone well (student athlete and school). If you think (and most would agree with you) that the old system was unfair, and that the educational opportunity afforded players in the past was not "fair compensation", that is fine. But what it is now (hopefully until some order is brought to it) is just a mess. And, the "fair value" assessment has not settled, causing disruption to what was once an enjoyable athletic pastime.
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First of all, the idea that fans are calling college players stupid is a new thing, and that is clearly what head-splints means, only after they have become professional is obviously absurd. How much was Patrick Ewing making in NIL 40 years ago when opposing fan bases were saying he can't read? No St. John's player was called dumb by this board before NIL?

"Suited most everyone" includes who? Who is left out of "most everyone?" The free labor that actually made it work? Indentured servitude works extremely well if you judge it on that same metric. It is great for everyone who is not the indentured servant.

"A disruption to what's once an enjoyable athletic pastime." Not sure how old you are, but you sound like you are talking about James Naismith teaching kids how to put a ball through a peach basket. UCLA players were getting paid through Sam Gilbert 55 years ago, CCNY was almost 75 years ago. CBB has been filled with slime forever. But now that players are actually getting fair compensation and aren't binded by anti-American rules of where they can go to college it is a bridge too far? Capitalism for the rich and only the rich.
 
adavis1 said:
First of all, the idea that fans are calling college players stupid is a new thing, and that is clearly what head-splints means, only after they have become professional is obviously absurd. How much was Patrick Ewing making in NIL 40 years ago when opposing fan bases were saying he can't read? No St. John's player was called dumb by this board before NIL?

"Suited most everyone" includes who? Who is left out of "most everyone?" The free labor that actually made it work? Indentured servitude works extremely well if you judge it on that same metric. It is great for everyone who is not the indentured servant.

"A disruption to what's once an enjoyable athletic pastime." Not sure how old you are, but you sound like you are talking about James Naismith teaching kids how to put a ball through a peach basket. UCLA players were getting paid through Sam Gilbert 55 years ago, CCNY was almost 75 years ago. CBB has been filled with slime forever. But now that players are actually getting fair compensation and aren't binded by anti-American rules of where they can go to college it is a bridge too far? Capitalism for the rich and only the rich.
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Criticizing players is NOT anything new. Players have ALWAYS been subject to criticism. It has nothing to do with NIL. BUT, NIL makes the criticism more acceptable in a way since they are now not just kids playing a game, but paid professionals. Even so, most of us would still be constrained by etiquette and niceness not to be so personal, but so be it. Can't have it both ways, and that is one of the ways that the sport is less enjoyable.

Some (like me) think that a free education plus perks is/was "fair compensation". But, with the huge growth in the sport's revenue, I guess additional compensation is warranted and inevitable. But there was certainly a significant value in the former. Just because the kids don't care about it or see that now does not mean that there is not value in it.

When players were paid in the past it was ILLEGAL under the rules of the sport. Now the rules have changed, so it is fine. The chaotic manner by which the change has been brought about is damaging to the sport and damaging to the attraction that many have had to it.

I get where you're coming from. You're probably a player now, past player or player parent, who thinks that you or your kid got screwed. You're free to feel that way. But I am free to feel that college sports ain't what it used to be and it is less interesting to me now that it was then. Just as you're entitled to feel as you do, I am entitled to feel as I do. In the end, the market will decide what college sports will be. Some fans won't care, others will.
 
bamafan said:
Or it means Dingle is coming back too 🤪🤪🤪🤪
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In the anticipated words of our distinguished fellow alum Big Mike F/The Sports Pope: to be honest:
RJ would not start for the G League Long Island Nets.
He needs another year and to prove his health.
That said: I hope he returns.
 
adavis1 said:
First of all, the idea that fans are calling college players stupid is a new thing, and that is clearly what head-splints means, only after they have become professional is obviously absurd. How much was Patrick Ewing making in NIL 40 years ago when opposing fan bases were saying he can't read? No St. John's player was called dumb by this board before NIL?

"Suited most everyone" includes who? Who is left out of "most everyone?" The free labor that actually made it work? Indentured servitude works extremely well if you judge it on that same metric. It is great for everyone who is not the indentured servant.

"A disruption to what's once an enjoyable athletic pastime." Not sure how old you are, but you sound like you are talking about James Naismith teaching kids how to put a ball through a peach basket. UCLA players were getting paid through Sam Gilbert 55 years ago, CCNY was almost 75 years ago. CBB has been filled with slime forever. But now that players are actually getting fair compensation and aren't binded by anti-American rules of where they can go to college it is a bridge too far? Capitalism for the rich and only the rich.
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Be honest, you've worn a Che Guevara t-shirt unironically at least once in your life, right?😄
 
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