Sima Transferring

Sorry but very poor decision on the part of Sima
By leaving now he looses a full year of pt in college if he chooses to play next December at another school.
He certainly needs the pt in my opinion.
Furthermore, it is 50/50 at best that Zach Brown will be eligible next November to play so why worry about that now. The reality is asSima probably would have until his senior year before Brown could play. Had he worked hard he could have been a special player as a senior in which case he would have started or played along side Brown.
Very disappointed.
 
Good riddance to him.

He doesn't honor his commitment to his school, teammates and loses a year of eligibility (this year), including playing time and practice. He may not have been playing as much as he hoped but how about working harder to play?

If at the end of year he is still unhappy then you leave. Don't leave your friends or your boys short and in a lurch. Signs of an immature and selfish player. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Nothing I've heard about him suggests Sima is an immature or selfish player or person.

Is it wrong for him to look out for his own best interests? If he wants to play at all next season he has to transfer now. Otherwise he won't step on the court again till fall 2018. That's a long way away.

I have no problem with Sima deciding to transfer. Good luck to him
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It wasn't what you heard? It is his ACTIONS that demonstrate his immaturity. By the way, not that it matters what I think anyway, but I feel the same way when a coach "pushes" players out for the same reasons. This is college and not the Pros. Schools should honor their commitments as well. I am not sure when this changed but it is wrong. You signed, they accepted. Sorry but the right way was for Sima to approach CM and deal with it privately at the end of the year. He is a quitter. We are better off without him. Good riddance.
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I understand what you're saying about honoring commitments, but I think your outrage is misplaced in this case.
Am I a quitter for changing jobs and going to a different company/firm?
Is somebody's son or daughter a quitter for transferring colleges too?

The end of the year thing is unfair. If he transfers now he can play again by late December, this time, next year. If he waits till May he won't be on the court again toll fall 2018.

Sima is simply going to a school that he thinks is a better fit in terms of playing time and coaching philosophy etc. Is he correct in his thinking? Very much up for debate.

But this move doesn't make him a quitter. That's unfair and not the right way to look at players who are good guys but simply have left our program.
We do this way too often here.
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Not to mention if a mid term transfer fell into our lap tomorrow, we would not question that kid's motives. :) We as fans tend to be very subjective.
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I do remember applauding the Jamal Branch surprise.
 
Good riddance to him.

He doesn't honor his commitment to his school, teammates and loses a year of eligibility (this year), including playing time and practice. He may not have been playing as much as he hoped but how about working harder to play?

If at the end of year he is still unhappy then you leave. Don't leave your friends or your boys short and in a lurch. Signs of an immature and selfish player. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Nothing I've heard about him suggests Sima is an immature or selfish player or person.

Is it wrong for him to look out for his own best interests? If he wants to play at all next season he has to transfer now. Otherwise he won't step on the court again till fall 2018. That's a long way away.

I have no problem with Sima deciding to transfer. Good luck to him
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It wasn't what you heard? It is his ACTIONS that demonstrate his immaturity. By the way, not that it matters what I think anyway, but I feel the same way when a coach "pushes" players out for the same reasons. This is college and not the Pros. Schools should honor their commitments as well. I am not sure when this changed but it is wrong. You signed, they accepted. Sorry but the right way was for Sima to approach CM and deal with it privately at the end of the year. He is a quitter. We are better off without him. Good riddance.
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I understand what you're saying about honoring commitments, but I think your outrage is misplaced in this case.
Am I a quitter for changing jobs and going to a different company/firm?
Is somebody's son or daughter a quitter for transferring colleges too?

The end of the year thing is unfair. If he transfers now he can play again by late December, this time, next year. If he waits till May he won't be on the court again toll fall 2018.

Sima is simply going to a school that he thinks is a better fit in terms of playing time and coaching philosophy etc. Is he correct in his thinking? Very much up for debate.

But this move doesn't make him a quitter. That's unfair and not the right way to look at players who are good guys but simply have left our program.
We do this way too often here.
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I understand your points Desco. However, we will agree to disagree. Mentioning work is a bad comparison on your part. First, when you or I leave a job I don't just walk out, flip the work on the bosses desk and say "good luck". Most jobs ask for and receive at least "two weeks notice". In some cases depending on your position they ask for four weeks. I have finished work at many jobs even after announcing that I am leaving. If you are working or better yet if you are a supervisor I assume you have done the same. I am CERTAIN that if a co-worker or employee leaves you, you would expect them to transition. Something tells me if he dumps the work on your desk your not going to thank him and wish him luck. As for your second example a kid transferring colleges has nothing to do with commitment as the only commitment a student has is to himself. A student athlete is committing to a school and taking a scholarship.

Second, a scholarship letter is a signed contract. It is why, I said, I criticize the schools just as much as they have a four year commitment to each student athlete. You do make a good point about sitting out a half year versus a full year. Either way he losses practice and playing time this year.

Sorry, I can't agree with your logic. In this instance he is leaving the program and his teammates short because he wasn't getting more (playing time) of what he wanted.

Thanks for sharing your opinion Desco. Nothing changes the fact YS has decided to leave mid-season. Nothing we say will change that fact. But our opinions of his actions will remain different.
 
According to ESPN , Mohamed Bamba , the 2017 center from Harlem has not signed. We are on his "list", anyone know if we have a chance.
 
Given the transfer culture, I think kids and coaches understand this stuff better than fans. Ponds is privy to things we aren't. I played Division I baseball and had guys I was friends with transfer; it didn't make them any less of a "friend" to me. I understood why they wanted to move on.
 
Good riddance to him.

He doesn't honor his commitment to his school, teammates and loses a year of eligibility (this year), including playing time and practice. He may not have been playing as much as he hoped but how about working harder to play?

If at the end of year he is still unhappy then you leave. Don't leave your friends or your boys short and in a lurch. Signs of an immature and selfish player. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Nothing I've heard about him suggests Sima is an immature or selfish player or person.

Is it wrong for him to look out for his own best interests? If he wants to play at all next season he has to transfer now. Otherwise he won't step on the court again till fall 2018. That's a long way away.

I have no problem with Sima deciding to transfer. Good luck to him
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It wasn't what you heard? It is his ACTIONS that demonstrate his immaturity. By the way, not that it matters what I think anyway, but I feel the same way when a coach "pushes" players out for the same reasons. This is college and not the Pros. Schools should honor their commitments as well. I am not sure when this changed but it is wrong. You signed, they accepted. Sorry but the right way was for Sima to approach CM and deal with it privately at the end of the year. He is a quitter. We are better off without him. Good riddance.
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I understand what you're saying about honoring commitments, but I think your outrage is misplaced in this case.
Am I a quitter for changing jobs and going to a different company/firm?
Is somebody's son or daughter a quitter for transferring colleges too?

The end of the year thing is unfair. If he transfers now he can play again by late December, this time, next year. If he waits till May he won't be on the court again toll fall 2018.

Sima is simply going to a school that he thinks is a better fit in terms of playing time and coaching philosophy etc. Is he correct in his thinking? Very much up for debate.

But this move doesn't make him a quitter. That's unfair and not the right way to look at players who are good guys but simply have left our program.
We do this way too often here.
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Not to mention if a mid term transfer fell into our lap tomorrow, we would not question that kid's motives. :) We as fans tend to be very subjective.
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Jamal Branch came to St John's under these circumstances
But it's a bad move, as a kid loses a full year of eligibility by transferring midyear
 
"According to a source familiar with the situation, Sima was unhappy with his reduced role and he knew playing time would only be tougher to find in the future, with the school bringing in highly touted 7-footer Zach Brown. St John’s also will be adding Michigan State transfer Marvin Clark Jr. to the frontline."

http://nypost.com/2016/12/09/st-johns-building-block-leaving-school/
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Well Golly Gee Wilikers Batman! Only 4 hours ago I stated "I thought he was a candidate for transfer at the end of the season because, as I stated in a previous thread, Sima seemed deflated after we secured Zach Brown."

This is nothing more than jilted youth in the form of a 6'9 (from now on I will use his measured FIBA height without shoes) kid who played all summer with the Under 21 Spanish National Team. His averages were similar to those at St. John's but his averages against the 4 better teams they played were 3.75 points and 1 block per game in 21 minutes per game. So 4 months ago he was just as unspectacular as his pre-Big East games with Mullin. Unless he goes to a lower D1 school, he will not get any more minutes than he did at St. John's or the Spanish team. That is what makes little sense in a mid season transfer with unrealistic expectations of playing time. I agree 100% with redmannorth in that he needed to play continuously without sitting out a year gathering dust. Sima's impatience will not be his friend because ego and self-entitlement may not be rewarded at his next stop. Chris Obekpa learned that lesson the hard way. Not to annoy Dr. Fun but Amar Alibegovic could get 3.75 points per game if given 21 minutes and he has as much ability to foul out as Sima in those 21 minutes.
 
Good riddance to him.

He doesn't honor his commitment to his school, teammates and loses a year of eligibility (this year), including playing time and practice. He may not have been playing as much as he hoped but how about working harder to play?

If at the end of year he is still unhappy then you leave. Don't leave your friends or your boys short and in a lurch. Signs of an immature and selfish player. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Nothing I've heard about him suggests Sima is an immature or selfish player or person.

Is it wrong for him to look out for his own best interests? If he wants to play at all next season he has to transfer now. Otherwise he won't step on the court again till fall 2018. That's a long way away.

I have no problem with Sima deciding to transfer. Good luck to him
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It wasn't what you heard? It is his ACTIONS that demonstrate his immaturity. By the way, not that it matters what I think anyway, but I feel the same way when a coach "pushes" players out for the same reasons. This is college and not the Pros. Schools should honor their commitments as well. I am not sure when this changed but it is wrong. You signed, they accepted. Sorry but the right way was for Sima to approach CM and deal with it privately at the end of the year. He is a quitter. We are better off without him. Good riddance.
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I understand what you're saying about honoring commitments, but I think your outrage is misplaced in this case.
Am I a quitter for changing jobs and going to a different company/firm?
Is somebody's son or daughter a quitter for transferring colleges too?

The end of the year thing is unfair. If he transfers now he can play again by late December, this time, next year. If he waits till May he won't be on the court again toll fall 2018.

Sima is simply going to a school that he thinks is a better fit in terms of playing time and coaching philosophy etc. Is he correct in his thinking? Very much up for debate.

But this move doesn't make him a quitter. That's unfair and not the right way to look at players who are good guys but simply have left our program.
We do this way too often here.
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Excellent post
 
GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Last Yr 25 23.4 7.3 5.7 1.2 0.6 2.4 1.2 .487 .386 .500
This Yr 10 17.8 6.0 3.5 0.6 0.4 0.5 0.9 .447 .720 .000


His last game as a RedmanStormerJohnnie:

MIN FG 3PT FT OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
12 0-0 0-0 1-2 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1
 
i understand that he saves a half a year playing next year but i see this as quitting too. There is a lot of talk of this team being a "family", well, thats not what you do....leave your family during a tough time. Figures after a feel good win we have this news....the story of a SJU fan.
 
There definitely was something that was impacting Sima's game. As someone said the stat that screams at you is the blocked shots. Last year he was one of the best in the country and this year he has five blocks in ten games. He did work hard on his free throw shooting which should help him wherever he transfers too. He seems like a good kid and teammate and hopefully if he is healthy he can turn into a decent big man. He should definitely look to transfer somewhere that has had success with big guys.

We definitely lose a little this year with fouls but prefer Owens because he runs the court better.
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I agree. before his injury last year he looked like he could eventually be a pro . This year the fact is he has been a big dissapointment. I wish him luck . Hopefully he will find a better fit. But, would have been better off transferring after this year giving him an additional year to develop.One could also argue Mitch and Mullins expertise is developing guards and wings and not big men.
 
CJ sits rest of year, gets petition to get 6th year, uses it as grad transfer to come back to sju. #whynot
 
Let's not confuse being critical of the transfer with demonizing Sima.

Obviously, transferring midseason is within NCAA guidelines, presumably primarily so a kid doesn't have to waste away on the bench, unhappy with a program or school when he is certain that being elsewhere is better for him.

In Sima's case this appears to be about playing time, now and in the future. If the issue is playing time next season, then to leave now when he really has a strong opportunity to prove he deserves 25-30 minutes a game this season seems premature. IF he is unhappy about playing time right now, it really wouldn't take much, especially with the subpar play of Yakwe on a weaker front line, to step up his game and prove he belongs. Owens isn't really a roadblock for him. If Sima started playing well, he would likely be in a front line rotation that included Ahmed, Yakwe, and Owens. As we moved into the Big East season, matchups would likely have dictated that we go big often.

If he played well the rest of the way out, even if he opted to transfer at season's end, the likelihood of finding a competitive D1 program would increase. Based on his play thus far, if he lands at a good basketball school, he will likely be a spare part, and not a rotation player. Basically, if he doesn't warrant playing time this season on a team in rebuild mode and weaker up front, where could he reasonably expect to play?

In essence, he is walking away from 18-25 minutes per game this year, and that won't be easy for him to find in a major conference
 
Posted here or on JJ that he was not a fan of NY weather
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NY weather is not a fan of his rebounding or post up game
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That would leave Rutgers out in his recruiting
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The ONLY reason people are inserting Rutgers into the equation is Sima has friends playing there who are big and average D1 players like himself. If his games against Minnesota and Michigan State were any indication he is not a Big 10 player. Something has slowed this young man's progress and altered his decision making. If one of his issues is hearing Zach Brown's footsteps then he is not competitive enough to "grind it out".
As for the NY weather BS, every New Yorker complains about the weather in winter but we spend our entire lives here not just 4 part time years or less like Sima. In fact, our weather is a hell of a lot milder than at programs that seem to attract top 50 players every year like Syracuse, Uconn, Villanova, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa state, etc.
 
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