SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ???

Is anyone else finding the NBA Summer league announcers annoying? I've watched parts of 5 games since Friday & over & over while players are playing on the court the announcers are talking about "other" related NBA draft news, trades, signings, etc. There could be a good play offensively or on defense & it's barely mentioned by the announcers.
 
Did you ever think there was a reason that in crunch time of the Big East season when bids are earned, not one if our guys stepped it up at the end of the regular season, the BET, or the play in game in Dayton. At the end of the day, not a single guy on our roster distinguished himself in that time frame.

What we are seeing is mostly reality, that our kids were not the cream of the crop, and our squad wss overrated.
 
Put that on staff. How many times do we see 3* kids against us playing like McDonald's All-Americans? They get coached up. Would another staff be so understanding of Ponds being out of shape?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=354039]Did you ever think there was a reason that in crunch time of the Big East season when bids are earned, not one if our guys stepped it up at the end of the regular season, the BET, or the play in game in Dayton. At the end of the day, not a single guy on our roster distinguished himself in that time frame.

What we are seeing is mostly reality, that our kids were not the cream of the crop, and our squad wss overrated.[/quote]

Our team was very talented, it just lacked respectable size. I would say it had more to do with the coaching than the team being overrated.
 
[quote="alexander salem" post=354045][quote="Beast of the East" post=354039]Did you ever think there was a reason that in crunch time of the Big East season when bids are earned, not one if our guys stepped it up at the end of the regular season, the BET, or the play in game in Dayton. At the end of the day, not a single guy on our roster distinguished himself in that time frame.

What we are seeing is mostly reality, that our kids were not the cream of the crop, and our squad wss overrated.[/quote]

Our team was very talented, it just lacked respectable size. I would say it had more to do with the coaching than the team being overrated.[/quote]

Coaching doesn't cause you to miss the wide open looks that Clark, Simon, Heron, and Ponds missed. It doesn't cause you to go 0-12 in an NCAA game, as HEron did, and Clark wasn't far behind.

You can blame coaching for allowing Ponds to launch 25-30 foot shots simply because the defense gave it to him, or directing him not to drive on 3 guys, as he did again and again once defenses realized no one could score except Ponds. But poor shot selection and better court instincts are on the player.

Guards don't make the NBA by playing very well in 1/4 of his teams games. They end up playing overseas.
 
Last season is over. Old staff gone. New staff in place. Let's see what develops.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=354039]Did you ever think there was a reason that in crunch time of the Big East season when bids are earned, not one if our guys stepped it up at the end of the regular season, the BET, or the play in game in Dayton. At the end of the day, not a single guy on our roster distinguished himself in that time frame.

What we are seeing is mostly reality, that our kids were not the cream of the crop, and our squad wss overrated.[/quote]

Partly agree. Ponds, Heron and Figueroa were legit D1 starters. Everyone else would have been a 6th or 7th man on most other Big East teams. The staff composition was terrible. Not one coach with any experience in the bunch and the lack of dedication was inexcusable. The recruiting of reclamation projects like Keita and others was due to us having a one recruiter model. Not ONE player was truly developed by Mullin or Richmond. The experiment, as many predicted, was a failure.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=354053][quote="Beast of the East" post=354039]Did you ever think there was a reason that in crunch time of the Big East season when bids are earned, not one if our guys stepped it up at the end of the regular season, the BET, or the play in game in Dayton. At the end of the day, not a single guy on our roster distinguished himself in that time frame.

What we are seeing is mostly reality, that our kids were not the cream of the crop, and our squad wss overrated.[/quote]

Partly agree. Ponds, Heron and Figueroa were legit D1 starters. Everyone else would have been a 6th or 7th man on most other Big East teams. The staff composition was terrible. Not one coach with any experience in the bunch and the lack of dedication was inexcusable. The recruiting of reclamation projects like Keita and others was due to us having a one recruiter model. Not ONE player was truly developed by Mullin or Richmond. The experiment, as many predicted, was a failure.[/quote]

The whole narrative that Simon and Clark aren’t starters or playing prominent minutes on other BE teams is stupid. What level of player do you think the 4th and 5th starter on other teams is?
 
Are starting 5 was solid in a perfect world Tariq stays and Figgy off the bench, but didn't happen onward and upward!
 
Kind of hard to argue that a guy who was voted Big East defensive player of the year and is also getting significant playing time in the NBA summer league isn't a starter on most Big East teams.
 
I watched Shamorie in the summer league tonight. As someone had mentioned, he is playing out of position at small forward. It appears they want to evaluate him (he played 20 minutes), but they are prioritizing giving minutes to Chris Chiozza (Florida) and Chris Clemons (Campbell) at the PG position. From what I saw, Shamorie will not make the NBA roster and is probably looked at as a project with some potential.

One side note. While just 5'9", Clemons is quick, strong and has a grown man's body. He just might make it.
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=354106]I watched Shamorie in the summer league tonight. As someone had mentioned, he is playing out of position at small forward. It appears they want to evaluate him (he played 20 minutes), but they are prioritizing giving minutes to Chris Chiozza (Florida) and Chris Clemons (Campbell) at the PG position. From what I saw, Shamorie will not make the NBA roster and is probably looked at as a project with some potential.

One side note. While just 5'9", Clemons is quick, strong and has a grown man's body. He just might make it.[/quote]

So where will that leave him? Playing in the G-League for very little money?
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=354107][quote="JohnnyFan" post=354106]I watched Shamorie in the summer league tonight. As someone had mentioned, he is playing out of position at small forward. It appears they want to evaluate him (he played 20 minutes), but they are prioritizing giving minutes to Chris Chiozza (Florida) and Chris Clemons (Campbell) at the PG position. From what I saw, Shamorie will not make the NBA roster and is probably looked at as a project with some potential.

One side note. While just 5'9", Clemons is quick, strong and has a grown man's body. He just might make it.[/quote]

So where will that leave him? Playing in the G-League for very little money?[/quote]

Rio Grande!
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=354107][quote="JohnnyFan" post=354106]I watched Shamorie in the summer league tonight. As someone had mentioned, he is playing out of position at small forward. It appears they want to evaluate him (he played 20 minutes), but they are prioritizing giving minutes to Chris Chiozza (Florida) and Chris Clemons (Campbell) at the PG position. From what I saw, Shamorie will not make the NBA roster and is probably looked at as a project with some potential.

One side note. While just 5'9", Clemons is quick, strong and has a grown man's body. He just might make it.[/quote]

So where will that leave him? Playing in the G-League for very little money?[/quote]

For now, he will acclimate to the world of professional basketball (from the G-League). IMO, if Shamorie adopts a professional mentality, there may be some untapped potential. If so, he may be auditioning at PG next summer. Of course, players with Shamorie's talent, who don't make the league in their first couple of years, tend to head overseas where they can make some money before they advance too far in age (think DJ Kennedy or Dwight Hardy).
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=354106]I watched Shamorie in the summer league tonight. As someone had mentioned, he is playing out of position at small forward. It appears they want to evaluate him (he played 20 minutes), but they are prioritizing giving minutes to Chris Chiozza (Florida) and Chris Clemons (Campbell) at the PG position. From what I saw, Shamorie will not make the NBA roster and is probably looked at as a project with some potential.

One side note. While just 5'9", Clemons is quick, strong and has a grown man's body. He just might make it.[/quote]

Agree completely. I know it’s a small sample size, but so far Clemons looks like a man amongst men, and Shamorie does not. In addition to the physicality, Clemons also plays at very high energy and intensity levels.
 
New Ponds article in Newsday w/quotes

www.newsday.com/amp/sports/basketball/shamorie-ponds-rockets-summer-league-1.33684647

He's got to back up his thoughts of himself with results.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=354166]New Ponds article in Newsday w/quotes

www.newsday.com/amp/sports/basketball/shamorie-ponds-rockets-summer-league-1.33684647

He's got to back up his thoughts of himself with results.[/quote]

Any successful athlete in his position needs confidence. Can't fault him for that.

There have been a ton of callups to the NBA from the G league. This is what gives a kid like Shamorie hope.

https://gleague.nba.com/all-time-callups/
 
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Another poor effort tonight Ponds has no shot of making the team it’s crazy but Simon has a way better chance of making the Bulls. Simon has been putting up nice stats every game, Simon has way more of an NBA physique but the biggest difference to me is Simon is the harder worker. I think Ponds kind of bought into the hype and got out of shape and just thought he was a lock to make it while Simon is a gym rat , has a way better attitude and just gives you everything he has while he’s on the floor.
 
Shamorie needs to fire whoever his agent is. Obviously the league wasn't too high on him to begin with because he wasn't drafted, but how do they let him sign with the Rockets? At least get him to a summer league team where he can actually play his natural position..... The Rockets summer league team is just a bunch of mercenaries out to get their own. This has gotta be one of the least ideal situations he could have possibly gone to.
 
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