Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but they’ve done something similar in the recent past, no? It wasn’t a full reseating but they did have windows open up based on Priority Points and you were able to upgrade your seats if any were available. This sounds pretty similar to that except all seats will be up for grabs.
Season Ticket Holders Changes 2025-26
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Yes, except the new wrinkle here is that you get priority points for donating to NIL.
I can live with this. After years of dealing with SJU I’m afraid they will just send an invoice with my new seats in the parking lot of CA.
Including MSG games.
I sat in row8 section 7…guy behind me literally said he going to gat a paper bag
Isn’t it apparent yet that the Garden is and will be our “real arena”? Won’t be anything more than cosmetic changes made to Carnessecca,
where the women will play their games and the men will have a handful of OOC cream puffs.
Pitino’s plan is to make every SJ game at the Garden a must see NYC event, and if he can make and keep us nationally relevant, it is entirely possible.
Madison Square Garden is and will be the team’s identity, and a major tool for recruiting and retaining talent. Never going to be a new on campus arena.
This topic comes up every year, year after year.
I don’t know why people find this so hard to accept. Even if we had the 100 million dollars it would probably cost to build a new on campus arena, and that is a huge if, if not impossible, there is no space on campus, it would be a terrible return on investment, and I doubt the zoning by-laws would ever allow a substantially larger arena to be built in what is a densely populated residential area.
Read lycidas post above, it is just not going to happen.
Donations to athletic department adds priority points dollar per point. This time they are factoring in university donations for the first time, also NIL
All true but Pitino is coming to love the real impenetrable homecourt advantage CA gives us
I have a nasty feeling that sponsors, who have been at pregames in big numbers in recent weeks, may get choice seats (and BET tickets) at the expense of long time season ticket holders. I may be wrong but..
Could see this coming a mile away.
Yeah but next years special of if you open a checking account at ridgewood savings and get 2 free mid court seats won’t be such a bad deal if you have a lot of relatives to open accounts and take their tix
Ok, that's a joke, but what does St. John's do if a Ridgewood Savings wants to buy 10 or 20 or 30 pairs of prime location season tix to distribute to high profile clients or executives? What if that sponsor brings high 6 figure or even 7 figure sponsorship to the table? Don't you think that great seats are being dangled in front of every potential sponsor in business discussions?Yeah but next years special of if you open a checking account at ridgewood savings and get 2 free mid court seats won’t be such a bad deal if you have a lot of relatives to open accounts and take their tix
Already, courtside seats are littered with SJU administrators and big donors who just a few years ago couldn't tell you that Alumni Hall and Carnesecca Arena are one and the same place. And if that's a stretch, how many of them would guess that Beaver Smith is a cartoon character and not a legendary hoops hero? And while that's not a stretch, how many would guess that Mike is Moses first name and not the starter on the iconic FF team that few could name beyond Mullin and Berry?
Well, maybe the 114 crew won't become the 314 crew, but don't think for a second that 214 isn't a possibility at the current 114 prices. Winning does that. But instead of rebuilding a moribund fan base, once the winning stops and long time diehards displaced, who will remain?
My point in all this, and full disclosure, I have NO skin in the game because I do not attend live, is the idea that SJU has decided that they are now a “winning” program is horribly premature.
I get and accept that you strike while the iron is hot, good business for sure, but hopefully the university has a commitment and strategy for sustainable competitiveness.
I went through a similar situation with Seton Hall at the Meadowlands. My brothers and I, bb buddies, and some Dads, 15 or so in all, had 3rd row courtside behind the SHU bench season tickets for a number of years there and Carlesimo built the program to a national level.
During, if my memory serves, the Elite 8 Temple loss in 87-88 against Duke, we joked that we were F’d for the next season because we had better seats than Bill Cosby for the game. Sure enough that is exactly what happened.
Disheartening, and was the beginning of the end of a great thing. But, as Sinatra said, That’s Life, riding high in April, shot down in May. For better or worse, MONEY RULES, always has, always will.
Unfortunately, all you can do is put in your big boy pants, move on and do whatever moving on means to you.
I get and accept that you strike while the iron is hot, good business for sure, but hopefully the university has a commitment and strategy for sustainable competitiveness.
I went through a similar situation with Seton Hall at the Meadowlands. My brothers and I, bb buddies, and some Dads, 15 or so in all, had 3rd row courtside behind the SHU bench season tickets for a number of years there and Carlesimo built the program to a national level.
During, if my memory serves, the Elite 8 Temple loss in 87-88 against Duke, we joked that we were F’d for the next season because we had better seats than Bill Cosby for the game. Sure enough that is exactly what happened.
Disheartening, and was the beginning of the end of a great thing. But, as Sinatra said, That’s Life, riding high in April, shot down in May. For better or worse, MONEY RULES, always has, always will.
Unfortunately, all you can do is put in your big boy pants, move on and do whatever moving on means to you.
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I totally understand everything you are saying. But the stadium world is different now. My friends who have season tix to Giants and Jets had to buy a PSL or something when the new stadium opened. A lot of my friends companies get these tickets you are talking about down low for rangers and knicks
If because all new sponsorship interest we got moved out of 114 to let's say 214 and we are winning then honestly I don't care. Obviously I want 114 but if we winning that's all I care about. I'd rather be winning in a worse seat than watching crappy basketball in a good seat
That's a reasonable perspective.
My point is that while we are winning, STH will either accept or reject reseating. Those who dont re-up will be quickly replaced by new demand. Those who drop will likely not be back until the next Pitino comes along, if ever.
Back in 2008 when the Mets open Citifield, I was a 30 game season ticket holder in previous seasons. In 2006 and 2007 the Mets were very competitive. Ticket prices were jacked and for approximately what I had paid for loge increased 5x. I moved to the outfield, something-landing. The 2008 team stunk and with many fans vacating by 2009 the place was so empty that the Mets were quietly giving away field tickets (to franchise and cablevision employees) near first and third that were unsold 48 hour before games. Cablevision didnt want tv shots of plays at 1st and 3rd to reveal an empty stadium.
But I guess it's coming. If I am adversely affected I'll think twice about the next big donor ask.
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Perfectly stated.
And to further prove his point, Mike will invite the 114 gang to his house for a Final Four party if SJU gets there.
That’s why the “how” matters. Without any individual choice of where one lands, and coordination with others, that cannot be accomplished. Once more information is presented we will know. My friends in 108 were all starting the goodbye process at the Xavier game, assuming we will be scattered when this is over.
Still a lot unknown.
I don't know who needs to hear this but:
1. College sports is about money. Programs need money to compete so they can make money, or at least break even on the direct athletic department numbers and hope that the reputational value of winning has secondary financial benefits for the university (more applications, better students, higher yield, etc).
2. TV money only goes so far now; you need NIL and you need to invest in your facilities to compete.
3. Money is what matters. People and companies who contribute more will get priority. SJU (like most schools) is giving you a little credit for longevity/loyalty, but longevity/loyalty don't pay the bills.
Love it or hate it, the transactional nature of coaches, which became the transactional nature of players, is now the transactional nature of universities. Personally I hate it but I'm also of the "don't have the player, hate the game" view. This isn't a SJU thing, it's a college sports thing. At some point those of us who liked it the old way may stop watching. I'm not there yet, but can fully appreciate those who are.
But complaining about reality seems unproductive to me. It's like complaining about the weather, you can complain all you want but you can't do much about it other than stay home or put on a raincoat or whatever.
Carmine, sorry for all the words, you don't have to read them.
1. College sports is about money. Programs need money to compete so they can make money, or at least break even on the direct athletic department numbers and hope that the reputational value of winning has secondary financial benefits for the university (more applications, better students, higher yield, etc).
2. TV money only goes so far now; you need NIL and you need to invest in your facilities to compete.
3. Money is what matters. People and companies who contribute more will get priority. SJU (like most schools) is giving you a little credit for longevity/loyalty, but longevity/loyalty don't pay the bills.
Love it or hate it, the transactional nature of coaches, which became the transactional nature of players, is now the transactional nature of universities. Personally I hate it but I'm also of the "don't have the player, hate the game" view. This isn't a SJU thing, it's a college sports thing. At some point those of us who liked it the old way may stop watching. I'm not there yet, but can fully appreciate those who are.
But complaining about reality seems unproductive to me. It's like complaining about the weather, you can complain all you want but you can't do much about it other than stay home or put on a raincoat or whatever.
Carmine, sorry for all the words, you don't have to read them.
Loyalty paid the bills when our 4 seats made up 10% of the attendance during the horrid years (which are too many to count). Last time they moved people the group that was right behind the bench was either scattered or cancelled their seats. I still miss that group when we go to Alumni Hall. These were the biggest diehard fans in the place. Now poof like a fart in the wind.
I get it. Cash is king. But over 50 years of season tickets should have as much meaning as anything else.
I hate to tell the school, that rakes in a fortune in tuition, that most people in NY live paycheck to paycheck and dropping 5G in NIL money is a drop in the bucket to the school but makes a huge difference in our lives.
I could care less about our AH seats, which I can barely sit in as I am old now and hurts everything, but let us keep the Garden.
The school wants trophy wives now and we are sticking to the ones we married through the hard times...Which is great because you know I totally still love my wife...
I get it. Cash is king. But over 50 years of season tickets should have as much meaning as anything else.
I hate to tell the school, that rakes in a fortune in tuition, that most people in NY live paycheck to paycheck and dropping 5G in NIL money is a drop in the bucket to the school but makes a huge difference in our lives.
I could care less about our AH seats, which I can barely sit in as I am old now and hurts everything, but let us keep the Garden.
The school wants trophy wives now and we are sticking to the ones we married through the hard times...Which is great because you know I totally still love my wife...