Season so far?

[bobre45]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

Pointer a full letter grade above greene? I would put garrett and greene ahead of pointer up to this point IMO.

 

[monte]

I still think we have the talent to be a tourney team. Branch back soon and in a perfect world Sanchez as well. We need to get things together and start playing well.

Lawman, regardless of who was on the court, our energy and focus were MUCH better in the South Carolina game. I think it is archived on espn3. Look at our defense, transition ans especially motion on offense. Different team in that game.

And therefore the reason for the frustration, and the negativity. No doubt we have the talent to be a tourney team,but do we have the team to be a tourney team? It's a team game. We all look at the individual pieces: One of the best scorers in school history, the best shot blocker in school history, a candidate for Big East Rookie of the Year who will be in the NBA in a year or two. Almost all top 100 recruits. A real find in Balamou. The pieces don't yet fit. It's like a jigsaw puzzle, where you try to squeeze the thick ended piece into the thin opening. A two guard playing point. A PF playing center. And so on. Branch and Sanchez will fit perfectly, and maybe complete the puzzle. Without Sanchez, we are still missing a piece.

So, my question is for Ray M and MCN, and I'm not trying to be a jerk by asking this,
but why is it obvious that we have the talent?

Yes, we have top 100 recruits, but at what point are you considered only as good as you're playing?
Sure, Dom was the 25th ranked recruit in his class according to ESPN... but when do we stop considering him an elite talent and consider him the 5pts and 4rebounds a game player that we've seen now for a year and a half?

It's still early in the season, and I'm not writing anyone off.
But if we're not playing well (and I don't think we are lately), then there's only logically a couple reasons.
1) We simply haven't "gelled" yet, and we have good individual pieces, but poor chemistry.
2) The coaching isn't good.
3) Maybe some of our players aren't as good as we thought they were.

I agree with you both that I thought we had a lot of talent on this team. But, I'm not sure that's obvious anymore.
At best, there's hidden talent. And alternatively, there could be less talent than we thought.

And to whoever responds with, "the sky isn't falling", "don't panic", I don't think it is either, and I didn't say that.
But when do we stop measuring guys on the talent we think they have, and judge them by what they're actually doing?

I referenced Obekpa, D Lo and Sampson. I think there's somewhat of a chance that all three make the NBA. Sampson seems like close to a sure thing. Anyone that can block shots like Obekpa will find his way onto a NBA roster. Not sure what to make of D Lo. Does not fit the mold that NBA teams look for. Pointer can go 5 and 4 all day, if he plays hard D. He even made a few jump shots this year. Garrett has played for less than a full season. Balamou is a real find.

In 1998 or 1999, we were a bucket from the final four. That team had three players drafted, maybe 4. Can't remember if Grant got drafted. Barkley lasted a short time. So did Postell. Artest has had a real career. Thornton has done very well in Europe.

I think the 1985 Mullin team had 3 players drafted for sure: Mullin, Berry, and Jackson. Both Glass and Rowan were in NBA camps. Don't remember if they were drafted. My point? These were elite eight and final four teams. This team will likely have two first round picks, and maybe, if Harrison matures and doesn't get Omar Cook kind of crazy and leave early, a third. No one is saying elite eight or final four, but isn't that enough to say there is talent here? I don't think Balamou has scratched the surface of his talent. He has the type of mad athleticism we never smelled during Norm's era. The type that NBA scouts drool over. How long has he played basketball? Unlike Harrison, his form hasn't been exposed. That's my case. Feel free to argue differently

85 team also had Freshman Shelton Jones who didn't play much that year but eventually became a 2nd round pick of the Spurs. Agree with most of what you say but Obekpa has a ways to go before he's NBA ready. Also wonder how the scouts will look upon his lack of height for a shot blocker. Who was the last 6' 8" shot blocker in the NBA?

Last I'm not sure of. Obekpa a shade smaller than 6'9". Ben Wallace, Antonio Davis good rebounders and shot blockers. Olajuwon wasn't much taller than 6'9". Plenty of others. Even Etan Thomas has made a nice long career for himself at 6'9" if that.

MCNPA is right: the Dream was only about 6'9". And another guy to add is Alonzo, who was really about 6'8".

From Wiki FWIW: "Listed at 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m) (but closer to 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) by his own admission). Olajuwon is considered one of the greatest centers ever to play the game". Don't recall him being much shorter than Ewing who I always thought was a legit 6' 11" +. Anyhow my original point was that Obepka is on the short side by the standards of the prolific shot blockers in the leaque. I'm going on the assumption that most of those guys are slightly shorter than listed.

 

[MCNPA]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

Obekpa. Any freshman center who leads the country in blocked shots gets an A. All freshman centers need to work on things. Ours can even hit jumpers. Kid is going places.

 

[1and1sju]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

Obekpa. Any freshman center who leads the country in blocked shots gets an A. All freshman centers need to work on things. Ours can even hit jumpers. Kid is going places.

He's our center and he's not even in the top 20 in our conference in rebounding.
His shot blocking is phenomenal, and I know that's a reason he's sometimes in bad position for boards.
But, you can't give an "A" to a post-player who can't box out yet.
He had 1 defensive rebound against Fordham --- his man, Canty, had 7 offensive boards.
He's also shooting 25% from the foul line.

CO is damn good, and I agree - he's going places. But if we're giving out grades it has to be on what he's done, not how good we think he's going to be.

Also, I think Bob is judging Harrison too harshly based on speculation about his relationship with coach. DH is still scoring 20 a night. Not perfect, but he's been better than a B. A- in my book.

Pointer and Garrett are both somewhere around C+, but what has struck me most is their inconsistent defense. Their reputations as "shut-down" defenders just isn't reality if you watch them closely. They're "good".. above average at this point. Which isn't to say they won't be very good someday. But some posters refer to Dom like he's our Scottie Pippe; and he hasn't shown that yet.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

 

[crgreen]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.

Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

 

[Ray Morgan]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.

Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

 

[LINY89]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

C+ for Balamou? That's a solid B+...kid can defend, block, rebound, and shoot. What more do you want? He is our Iman Shumpert.

 

[tom in salem]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.

Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

my avatar.

 

[Ray Morgan]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.

Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

my avatar.

Didn't recognize him. He never stood still when I watched him. Practice was open back then. He just tore up everybody.

 

[1and1sju]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.

Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

No, Westbrook-like flashes are not there. Just like Christian Jones wasn't the next Charles Barkley.

You guys are insane.
Paris Horne put up better numbers his frosh year, in similar minutes. And I would be thrilled if Felix becomes as good as Paris.

This is the same player who earned 6 minutes of floor time against Fordham; missed his two shots and committed a foul.
He's a guard who has yet to take an outside shot, let a lone hit one.
And, he's averaging a foul every 6 minutes.

I like Felix, he's exciting. But our fan base does this to every player who has a good game.

I'd give Tray Woodall and Ryan Boatright a B+ at this point in the season... Felix has been a bit player.

 

[SJUalum98]

Russell Westbrook?!? LMAO

Some heavy tint on the rose-colored glasses I must say.

 

[beast of the east]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

Obekpa. Any freshman center who leads the country in blocked shots gets an A. All freshman centers need to work on things. Ours can even hit jumpers. Kid is going places.

He's our center and he's not even in the top 20 in our conference in rebounding.
His shot blocking is phenomenal, and I know that's a reason he's sometimes in bad position for boards.
But, you can't give an "A" to a post-player who can't box out yet.
He had 1 defensive rebound against Fordham --- his man, Canty, had 7 offensive boards.
He's also shooting 25% from the foul line.

CO is damn good, and I agree - he's going places. But if we're giving out grades it has to be on what he's done, not how good we think he's going to be.

Also, I think Bob is judging Harrison too harshly based on speculation about his relationship with coach. DH is still scoring 20 a night. Not perfect, but he's been better than a B. A- in my book.

Pointer and Garrett are both somewhere around C+, but what has struck me most is their inconsistent defense. Their reputations as "shut-down" defenders just isn't reality if you watch them closely. They're "good".. above average at this point. Which isn't to say they won't be very good someday. But some posters refer to Dom like he's our Scottie Pippe; and he hasn't shown that yet.

This is a great point. Often coaches will berate a guy who is blocking alot of shots because he is leaving his man, going after anything he can block, allowing the interior defense to break down. The exceptional shot blockers also play defense, and have quick feet, great anticipation, and rarely fail not to block or greatly alter a shot when they leave their man or zone unprotected. I'm not olde enough to see Chamberlain or Russell (the defacto standard) as defenders as well as shot blockers, but would appreciate hearing from older knowledgeable posters.

Pointer has great length, determination, and athelticism, but is not a lock down defender, at least not at this point. He's a guy who can guard someone much smaller, and if he comes into his own, could present huge problems for smaller players.

 

[bobre45]

I was thinking about grades so far and came up with these:
Sampson A - Can't ask for much more from the kid.
Obekpa B - Likely to go up soon but needs work on some stuff.
Harrison B - Hasn't been as electric as last year and seems to have problems with Lavin.
Pointer B - An important defender keeping mistakes under control.
Garrett C+ A bit inconsistent but coming along on the boards especially.
Greene C Also inconsistent. Could defend better.
Balamou C+ Pleasant surprise. Just needs to learn.
Jones D+ Needs to get physical ASAP.
Marco D+ Needs minutes from Lavin and assertiveness from himself.
Branch ?
Sanchez?

Obekpa. Any freshman center who leads the country in blocked shots gets an A. All freshman centers need to work on things. Ours can even hit jumpers. Kid is going places.

He's our center and he's not even in the top 20 in our conference in rebounding.
His shot blocking is phenomenal, and I know that's a reason he's sometimes in bad position for boards.
But, you can't give an "A" to a post-player who can't box out yet.
He had 1 defensive rebound against Fordham --- his man, Canty, had 7 offensive boards.
He's also shooting 25% from the foul line.

CO is damn good, and I agree - he's going places. But if we're giving out grades it has to be on what he's done, not how good we think he's going to be.

Also, I think Bob is judging Harrison too harshly based on speculation about his relationship with coach. DH is still scoring 20 a night. Not perfect, but he's been better than a B. A- in my book.

Pointer and Garrett are both somewhere around C+, but what has struck me most is their inconsistent defense. Their reputations as "shut-down" defenders just isn't reality if you watch them closely. They're "good".. above average at this point. Which isn't to say they won't be very good someday. But some posters refer to Dom like he's our Scottie Pippe; and he hasn't shown that yet.

This is a great point. Often coaches will berate a guy who is blocking alot of shots because he is leaving his man, going after anything he can block, allowing the interior defense to break down. The exceptional shot blockers also play defense, and have quick feet, great anticipation, and rarely fail not to block or greatly alter a shot when they leave their man or zone unprotected. I'm not olde enough to see Chamberlain or Russell (the defacto standard) as defenders as well as shot blockers, but would appreciate hearing from older knowledgeable posters.

Pointer has great length, determination, and athelticism, but is not a lock down defender, at least not at this point. He's a guy who can guard someone much smaller, and if he comes into his own, could present huge problems for smaller players.

We've seen what Dlo is capable of and for whatever reason I think he's a tick off last year's performance when he could have been expected to improve a bit. I think his problems are primarily between his ears. He's a super talent who really knows the game but needs to make the team better too. When he's hot he's great but he hasn't brought it every night. Pointer has improved his handle and his "D" is superior which we need right now. On the plus side a lot of the guys have significant upside going forward. I hope the coaching improves as well

 

[tom in salem]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.

Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

my avatar.

Didn't recognize him. He never stood still when I watched him. Practice was open back then. He just tore up everybody.

On of my 3 faves of all time, along with postell and mullin.

 

[RM86]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.


Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

my avatar.

Didn't recognize him. He never stood still when I watched him. Practice was open back then. He just tore up everybody.

On of my 3 faves of all time, along with postell and mullin.

He became one of my favorites when he tried to deck Ewing at The Garden.

 

[tom in salem]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.


Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

my avatar.

Didn't recognize him. He never stood still when I watched him. Practice was open back then. He just tore up everybody.

On of my 3 faves of all time, along with postell and mullin.

He became one of my favorites when he tried to deck Ewing at The Garden.

+100-don't f()ck with Harlem kids.

 

[redknight]

Did you grow up in Harlem. I did and played there.Sounds like you grew up in the Bronx.

 

[LINY89]

I think Bobre's grades are pretty good. I'd just rate Phil higher and Felix a lot higher just based on what our expectations of what Felix is doing since most of us thought either we was a recruit to lure Obepka or us thinking he needed to redshirt

No "prediction" on Felix,(who's getting 12 minutes, 3.8 pts, 1.8 rebs, projecting over a 36 game season to get 24 assists, 28 blocks, 16 steals, shooting 52% from the field, 88% from the line), but the last time I saw a kid with similar size and athleticisim as a frosh - and those same occaisional "I can't believe he just did that" flashes -, he was getting 10 minutes a game, getting 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, garnering 24 assists, 1 block, 14 steals, shooting 46% from the field, 55% from the line over 36 games - and I did predict that he'd be the best SG in his schools history before his 4 years were done. Well, Gail Goodrich's position is still safe, but only becase Russell Westbrook played just one more year of college before leaving as the #4 pick in the draft.


Again, not making a prediction (need to see those next 30 games out of Felix), but those flashes are certainly there.

For us, maybe a good comparison is Kevin Williams. He could really play, but in Louie's eyes, he was no gimp kneed Bob Kelly.

my avatar.

Didn't recognize him. He never stood still when I watched him. Practice was open back then. He just tore up everybody.

On of my 3 faves of all time, along with postell and mullin.

He became one of my favorites when he tried to deck Ewing at The Garden.

+100-don't f()ck with Harlem kids.

Depends...West Harlem is mostly white now with Columbia students moving in. East Harlem is the real Harlem lol. The difference is huge.