Rysheed

If you really want to manage expectations, enjoy the next 2-3 weeks and assume he will leave when that's over, and be pleasantly surprised if he stays.

I wouldn't confuse him getting on board (to his and staff's/team's credit, in a major way) these last 2 months with any change in objective or a greater commitment to the program. He wants to go pro as soon as possible. Forget first round projection. He might go even if there wasn't a second round projection; if there is, that will probably be more than enough.

Merit is irrelevant to the point where it's almost not worth debating. There is debate over whether most every player besides the locks should stay or go. But it really comes down to the whims of each individual player and his camp.
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What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
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Dont they have a commit from some kid in louisiana who shoots lights out? Plus there is that guard coming in from jersey.. If they come in and Obeka stays as he really should, then other teams wont be able to just concentrate on Jordan but it is going to be up to his camp as to whether it is time to cash in
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Sampson is a really good incoming player, and Doughty from Philly can score too. Counting on teams worrying about Obekpa on the offensive end is a stretch IMO. Personally, I am not terribly worried about next years team, I think they will be able to put up some points, but a lot of posters have said things to the effect of if Sheed leaves we're in trouble. If they feel that way, why would he want to stay? It could make his stock drop, no?
 
If he's projected to be middle to late first round, he should go, no question about it. Making a roster when you are second round is a dicey proposition, so without him working his way solidly into the first round, he should stay.

For my money, I want all our kids to go as far as they can, and if it means leaving here as a first round pick, that's awesome.
 
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What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
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Dont they have a commit from some kid in louisiana who shoots lights out? Plus there is that guard coming in from jersey.. If they come in and Obeka stays as he really should, then other teams wont be able to just concentrate on Jordan but it is going to be up to his camp as to whether it is time to cash in
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Sampson is a really good incoming player, and Doughty from Philly can score too. Counting on teams worrying about Obekpa on the offensive end is a stretch IMO. Personally, I am not terribly worried about next years team, I think they will be able to put up some points, but a lot of posters have said things to the effect of if Sheed leaves we're in trouble. If they feel that way, why would he want to stay? It could make his stock drop, no?
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I won't get into my sense of next year until we know a lot more. That said, please understand that any freshman will be challenged by the jump to D1 level play. It is rare, except for elites like Kentucky type kids, to come in and have a big impact. The Doughtys of the world may evolve into solid four year contributors, but don't get your hopes up for much in year one.
 
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What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
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Dont they have a commit from some kid in louisiana who shoots lights out? Plus there is that guard coming in from jersey.. If they come in and Obeka stays as he really should, then other teams wont be able to just concentrate on Jordan but it is going to be up to his camp as to whether it is time to cash in
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Sampson is a really good incoming player, and Doughty from Philly can score too. Counting on teams worrying about Obekpa on the offensive end is a stretch IMO. Personally, I am not terribly worried about next years team, I think they will be able to put up some points, but a lot of posters have said things to the effect of if Sheed leaves we're in trouble. If they feel that way, why would he want to stay? It could make his stock drop, no?
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I won't get into my sense of next year until we know a lot more. That said, please understand that any freshman will be challenged by the jump to D1 level play. It is rare, except for elites like Kentucky type kids, to come in and have a big impact. The Doughtys of the world may evolve into solid four year contributors, but don't get your hopes up for much in year one.
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You just never know who arrives on campus ready to contribute. Over the years we've had some - Harrison is one, for sure, and David Russell and of course Chris Mullin come to mind. I just never worry about next year until I watch the first game or two.
 
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What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
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Dont they have a commit from some kid in louisiana who shoots lights out? Plus there is that guard coming in from jersey.. If they come in and Obeka stays as he really should, then other teams wont be able to just concentrate on Jordan but it is going to be up to his camp as to whether it is time to cash in
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Sampson is a really good incoming player, and Doughty from Philly can score too. Counting on teams worrying about Obekpa on the offensive end is a stretch IMO. Personally, I am not terribly worried about next years team, I think they will be able to put up some points, but a lot of posters have said things to the effect of if Sheed leaves we're in trouble. If they feel that way, why would he want to stay? It could make his stock drop, no?
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I won't get into my sense of next year until we know a lot more. That said, please understand that any freshman will be challenged by the jump to D1 level play. It is rare, except for elites like Kentucky type kids, to come in and have a big impact. The Doughtys of the world may evolve into solid four year contributors, but don't get your hopes up for much in year one.
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You just never know who arrives on campus ready to contribute. Over the years we've had some - Harrison is one, for sure, and David Russell and of course Chris Mullin come to mind. I just never worry about next year until I watch the first game or two.
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Agree, but the players you referenced were certainly on a level well above Doughty type kids.
 
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What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
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Dont they have a commit from some kid in louisiana who shoots lights out? Plus there is that guard coming in from jersey.. If they come in and Obeka stays as he really should, then other teams wont be able to just concentrate on Jordan but it is going to be up to his camp as to whether it is time to cash in
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Sampson is a really good incoming player, and Doughty from Philly can score too. Counting on teams worrying about Obekpa on the offensive end is a stretch IMO. Personally, I am not terribly worried about next years team, I think they will be able to put up some points, but a lot of posters have said things to the effect of if Sheed leaves we're in trouble. If they feel that way, why would he want to stay? It could make his stock drop, no?
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I won't get into my sense of next year until we know a lot more. That said, please understand that any freshman will be challenged by the jump to D1 level play. It is rare, except for elites like Kentucky type kids, to come in and have a big impact. The Doughtys of the world may evolve into solid four year contributors, but don't get your hopes up for much in year one.
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I absolutely understand that freshman contributions are tough to come by, but made easier if there are some upperclassmen around to help ease them in. By stating this, you may have just strengthened my point that it might actually be smart for Rysheed to leave now instead of staying because he will not have much help next year even though he could use more time to develop, his performance may not show it.
 
Doesn't a college degree have any value nowadays?
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What do you go to college for? Is the answer to get an education, or to get a career where you can make enough money and be happy and live the life style of your choosing? If your answer is to get an education, then a college degree has a ton of value. If it is to be able to secure a career where you can earn enough money to live the life style of your choosing, then for someone that can play professional sports it is not as valuable.
 
Doesn't a college degree have any value nowadays?
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Not enough athletes go to college with that mindset unfortunately. They all think they'll be the one to make it big. Even though statistics show very few will be pros in their chosen sport.
 
Doesn't a college degree have any value nowadays?
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Of course they do. Michael Jordan went back and completed his. College will always be there. The credits completed still count. The opportunity to be drafted or make and NBA roster are very fluid. Timing is everything.

In Rysheed's case, I think one more year would do him good (as of now) but things could change in the next few weeks.
 
Doesn't a college degree have any value nowadays?
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What do you go to college for? Is the answer to get an education, or to get a career where you can make enough money and be happy and live the life style of your choosing? If your answer is to get an education, then a college degree has a ton of value. If it is to be able to secure a career where you can earn enough money to live the life style of your choosing, then for someone that can play professional sports it is not as valuable.
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BAck about 8 or 9 years ago I was looking at houses and the wife of a well known Jet's center was the real estate agent. He had already earned a lot of money playing in the NFL, but he was pursuing an MBA in order to have a career post football. Chris Mullin got his degree 13 years after he left St. John's. Walter Berry also got his degree much later. Those two guys had the means to pursue a degree later on. Too many kids just have the wrong mindset about the value of education.

For his part Mullin quipped at his SJU HOF induction, "I see the sign says I graduated in 1998. Just to let you know, I wasn't in school all that time."
 
Doesn't a college degree have any value nowadays?
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What do you go to college for? Is the answer to get an education, or to get a career where you can make enough money and be happy and live the life style of your choosing? If your answer is to get an education, then a college degree has a ton of value. If it is to be able to secure a career where you can earn enough money to live the life style of your choosing, then for someone that can play professional sports it is not as valuable.
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BAck about 8 or 9 years ago I was looking at houses and the wife of a well known Jet's center was the real estate agent. He had already earned a lot of money playing in the NFL, but he was pursuing an MBA in order to have a career post football. Chris Mullin got his degree 13 years after he left St. John's. Walter Berry also got his degree much later. Those two guys had the means to pursue a degree later on. Too many kids just have the wrong mindset about the value of education.

For his part Mullin quipped at his SJU HOF induction, "I see the sign says I graduated in 1998. Just to let you know, I wasn't in school all that time."
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That's just it, you can always go back to school, you can't always be a pro athlete.
 
Doesn't a college degree have any value nowadays?
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What do you go to college for? Is the answer to get an education, or to get a career where you can make enough money and be happy and live the life style of your choosing? If your answer is to get an education, then a college degree has a ton of value. If it is to be able to secure a career where you can earn enough money to live the life style of your choosing, then for someone that can play professional sports it is not as valuable.
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BAck about 8 or 9 years ago I was looking at houses and the wife of a well known Jet's center was the real estate agent. He had already earned a lot of money playing in the NFL, but he was pursuing an MBA in order to have a career post football. Chris Mullin got his degree 13 years after he left St. John's. Walter Berry also got his degree much later. Those two guys had the means to pursue a degree later on. Too many kids just have the wrong mindset about the value of education.

For his part Mullin quipped at his SJU HOF induction, "I see the sign says I graduated in 1998. Just to let you know, I wasn't in school all that time."
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That's just it, you can always go back to school, you can't always be a pro athlete.
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That's all well and good provided your pro career generates enough income to accommodate your lifestyle AND set aside enough to pay for the balance of the education, room and board you were getting for free. The NBADL doesn't meet those criteria.
 
I think with Rysheed it just might be a matter of not wanting to be in school anymore. Whether he doesn't like school or he just wants to try to make the pros and doesn't want to delay it any further. If that is the case I think he will try and go the Sampson route and try to make the pros whether he is drafted or not. I don't think bettering his status if he stays will matter to him.
 
I think with Rysheed it just might be a matter of not wanting to be in school anymore. Whether he doesn't like school or he just wants to try to make the pros and doesn't want to delay it any further. If that is the case I think he will try and go the Sampson route and try to make the pros whether he is drafted or not. I don't think bettering his status if he stays will matter to him.
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Agree
 
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