Rysheed

in fact, he will have a bunch of pre season expectations coming into next year...probably pre season 1st, 2nd team all american i bet.
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Do you watch basketball cappy?
Rysheed wasn't 1st team, 2nd team or even honorable mention All Big East this season.
There is zero chance that he is a preseason All American.
 
I was surprised to see him getting 8 assists vs. Nova, the kid has been up damn good number now.
I'd hate to say it, but I think if he keeps this up in the B.E. Tourney and NCAA, I think he's gone after this year.
Of course though I hope I'm wrong
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I think he's gone, and I don't blame him one bit. Gotta make money while you can!
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No question any D1 player can make SOME money playing somewhere. The question isn't whether to grab money now, but whether his stock will go up significantly by another year of refining his game. If he moves up into the first round, each step up is a significant bump in guaranteed money. If he leaves now, goes undrafted or late second round, the climb into the NBA could be significant or never.
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Well hopefully he understand that if he return, that he'll get the keys to the engine, but will he be patient enough?
 
I was surprised to see him getting 8 assists vs. Nova, the kid has been up damn good number now.
I'd hate to say it, but I think if he keeps this up in the B.E. Tourney and NCAA, I think he's gone after this year.
Of course though I hope I'm wrong
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I think he's gone, and I don't blame him one bit. Gotta make money while you can!
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No question any D1 player can make SOME money playing somewhere. The question isn't whether to grab money now, but whether his stock will go up significantly by another year of refining his game. If he moves up into the first round, each step up is a significant bump in guaranteed money. If he leaves now, goes undrafted or late second round, the climb into the NBA could be significant or never.
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I agree with what you are saying.....but there are always different ways of looking at it. The way he is playing right now, his stock may never be higher. A good run in the BET and NCAA's could elevate his stock even more. Looking at next year, if he comes back to school, he will be the focal point for all of our opponents on defense. Until another of our players proves they can score, it will be a 'stop Jordan, and you stop St Johns' mentality.

There are plenty of examples where going back to school didn't help a player. Look at Matt Leinart. If he would have gone to the draft after his junior year, he could have easily have been the #1 overall pick. Instead, he went back to college for his senior year. The following year, he ended up getting drafted 10 overall, and his career never really materialized. So there are situations where going back to school can actually hinder your draft status.

Also, and I hope that this never happens to him or anyone else, there is the possibility of injury. What if he comes back, tears his knee up on a freak accident, and then can never play again? I understand that an injury can occur in the NBA just as easily as in college, but I would like to think that he will have access to better doctors and benefits in the NBA than in college.
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There ARE a ton of ways to look at it. A kid like Rysheed could look at $75,000 to play overseas as superior to making nothing at St Johns. But if he wants to play in the NBA next season, as a 6'4" guard with a lot of improvement ahead of him, the talent pool at 6'4" is incredibly higher than at Jakarr Sampson's size. For Jordan to play himself into the first round, he will have to have a great BET, and SJU may have to play 3 NCAA games.
 
Regarding being a preseason All-American or getting drafted high enough for guaranteed money, the quickest way would be to beat Kentucky in the second round on national TV while dominating anyone they put on him. Agents would be coming out of the woodwork.

Short of that, averaging 20 and 7 over the next seven games would probably have same outcome.

He just needs to play huge when the spotlight will be brightest. Juwan Howard flew up the draft board because of his performance in March, so it happens. (I'm guessing Howard was already first-round graded, though.) Hopefully it happens for Rysheed, because that means we did something special.
 
There are several scenarios where Jordan is on a preseason All-American list. Nearly all of them include him doing very well in the next few weeks. If he makes such a list preseason, we know that March went well for us and that 2015-2016 will be a promising season regardless of the 2+ years of posts to the contrary.
 
There are several scenarios where Jordan is on a preseason All-American list. Nearly all of them include him doing very well in the next few weeks. If he makes such a list preseason, we know that March went well for us and that 2015-2016 will be a promising season regardless of the 2+ years of posts to the contrary.
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thank you, thats my point.
 
There are several scenarios where Jordan is on a preseason All-American list. Nearly all of them include him doing very well in the next few weeks. If he makes such a list preseason, we know that March went well for us and that 2015-2016 will be a promising season regardless of the 2+ years of posts to the contrary.
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No. There are no realistic scenarios where that could happen.
he would have to be mvp of the ncaa tournament, and us a final 4 team.

Jordan was one of the 6 or 7 best guards in his conference this season. No coaches or writers re going to name him to any preseason all American list.
 
I don't know and maybe its just me, but I don't think Rysheed has brilliant moves to the hoop. He doesn't shake people and its weird but to me he has this funky second step where he appears to be changing direction and should be taking off, but takes one more step that gives him a little daylight to the basket. To me it just looks like travelling. He does get called for a lot of travelling,but not very often on this move. I just don't know if it would be successful in the pros.
 
Yes, so slow getting the ball up and because so he rarely has an uncontested shot. If you notice he really never goes up off of one foot. But it is those same two footed princinples which have been so key in improving his shot. Seems to always get his feet underneath him and squares his shoulders well.

Could have a monster Junior year if he wanted to. Should spend the summer with DLO
 
There are several scenarios where Jordan is on a preseason All-American list. Nearly all of them include him doing very well in the next few weeks. If he makes such a list preseason, we know that March went well for us and that 2015-2016 will be a promising season regardless of the 2+ years of posts to the contrary.
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No. There are no realistic scenarios where that could happen.
he would have to be mvp of the ncaa tournament, and us a final 4 team.

Jordan was one of the 6 or 7 best guards in his conference this season. No coaches or writers re going to name him to any preseason all American list.
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thats funny because apparently some NBA scouts think he is a 2nd rounder, they might know more than you. If he is a projected 2nd rounder this year or even next year for that matter, he has potential to be a 1st rounder right ? If so, he must be one of the top guards in the country, period! My point was, if he has a great post season, AND stays...his ceiling could rise to be a potential pre season top guard in the country. I don't think it's that much of a reach IF he continues to develop AND stays.
 
Enjoy him now & credit him & staff for a significant turnaround. Re: his future, that will be apparent post season, so all the theorizing and rationalization about why he should stay is meaningless.
 
Enjoy him now & credit him & staff for a significant turnaround. Re: his future, that will be apparent post season, so all the theorizing and rationalization about why he should stay is meaningless.
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If sju moves along in the BET and /or NCAA and he does well, I think his stock will rise and if it does he is gone- just my opinion
 
As someone noted yesterday if his stock rises enough for him to be a first round pick and leave, that will probably mean that he did enough to get us to the sweet sixteen or better. Which would be awesome
 
What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
 
There are several scenarios where Jordan is on a preseason All-American list. Nearly all of them include him doing very well in the next few weeks. If he makes such a list preseason, we know that March went well for us and that 2015-2016 will be a promising season regardless of the 2+ years of posts to the contrary.
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No. There are no realistic scenarios where that could happen.
he would have to be mvp of the ncaa tournament, and us a final 4 team.

Jordan was one of the 6 or 7 best guards in his conference this season. No coaches or writers re going to name him to any preseason all American list.
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thats funny because apparently some NBA scouts think he is a 2nd rounder, they might know more than you. If he is a projected 2nd rounder this year or even next year for that matter, he has potential to be a 1st rounder right ? If so, he must be one of the top guards in the country, period! My point was, if he has a great post season, AND stays...his ceiling could rise to be a potential pre season top guard in the country. I don't think it's that much of a reach IF he continues to develop AND stays.
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Just because you might be considered a 2nd round pick, that does not mean that you will be an All-American.
 
If you really want to manage expectations, enjoy the next 2-3 weeks and assume he will leave when that's over, and be pleasantly surprised if he stays.

I wouldn't confuse him getting on board (to his and staff's/team's credit, in a major way) these last 2 months with any change in objective or a greater commitment to the program. He wants to go pro as soon as possible. Forget first round projection. He might go even if there wasn't a second round projection; if there is, that will probably be more than enough.

Merit is irrelevant to the point where it's almost not worth debating. There is debate over whether most every player besides the locks should stay or go. But it really comes down to the whims of each individual player and his camp.
 
What about this for all you guys that think we are in dire straits if he leaves next year? That must mean that you feel the talent that will be coming in and around him next year will not be very good. That also means that if he stays defenses will be keying on him and it is then possible that instead of having the monster year everyone is predicting he could actually have a down year next year because he is surrounded by sub-par talent. If that's the case shouldn't he leave this year if there is any chance he could get paid? With all that said, I actually believe he should stay, I was just throwing out another scenario to chew on.
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Dont they have a commit from some kid in louisiana who shoots lights out? Plus there is that guard coming in from jersey.. If they come in and Obeka stays as he really should, then other teams wont be able to just concentrate on Jordan but it is going to be up to his camp as to whether it is time to cash in
 
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