Rysheed Jordan
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What's so good about it?
D'Angelo got away with murder for his first two years until he was finally suspended. You think the rest of his teammates didn't witness him getting away with so much and it still was allowed? During games, in practice from what we heard, broken team rules (not shaving, late), etc.
College athletes are held to a different standard and you can't have it both ways. I'm not saying it is right. But it is reality.
Who was the last player suspended off a Top 25 team? Behanan?
How many do we have? I count 3.
The numbers are ridiculous.
Steve Lavin is a very smart coach and cares about his players and his program. He's been tough
on his players since his UCLA days. It's difficult for parent's to deal with heir kids these days.
Real difficult for coaches. These young student athletes don't have the mentors that Steve Lavin
and other coaches had, like John Wooden, Lou Carnesecca, Coach K and Bobby Knight. Lavin is teaching
his players accountability and more coaches should be doing this. Rasheed Jordan will come back confident and relaxed.
on his players since his UCLA days. It's difficult for parent's to deal with heir kids these days.
Real difficult for coaches. These young student athletes don't have the mentors that Steve Lavin
and other coaches had, like John Wooden, Lou Carnesecca, Coach K and Bobby Knight. Lavin is teaching
his players accountability and more coaches should be doing this. Rasheed Jordan will come back confident and relaxed.
I'm saying he's playing with fire.
He, more than anyone, knows this is a business. And that's why I don't buy this whole "best interest of the player", "I'm a concerned parent" nonsense. That stuff is as legit as saying Bucknell was a Sweet 16 team.
Lavin knows who he recruited. And he knows why he allowed D'Angelo to get away with so much and for so long.
D'Angelo and Rysheed were both suspended in high school. He knows what he's dealing with.
But kids will be kids and primadonnas will be primadonnas. Just like our coach.
But right now he doesn't have a leg to stand on and his "tactics" are starting to look incredibly weird.
guinness77
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The thing about this thread and the thread I started that I've taken out of all this is how many coaches we have on board here.
Hmm...considering I played against a good amount of Division I players and a handful of NBA players in my day, I'm qualified to think on the same level as those as well?
I think the fans are more than within their rights to be frustrated as to why these suspensions are occurring. I don't recall one poster being disrespectful or, even, questioning the veracity of these suspensions so I don't understand why some are so strong to shove their opinions down people's throats, or put words into those that are questioning why. Just like the game thread. I don't recall anyone being over the top about their criticism, I certainly wasn't, but name calling and questioning SJU fans "loyalty" (always a favorite of mine to see) ensued. Huh?
I'm not the type to get serious but I...don't get it. I hope people, especially our fans, can express their opinion without being called traitors or something along those lines.
Edit: I should add as long as those opinions are expressed appropriately.
Hmm...considering I played against a good amount of Division I players and a handful of NBA players in my day, I'm qualified to think on the same level as those as well?
I think the fans are more than within their rights to be frustrated as to why these suspensions are occurring. I don't recall one poster being disrespectful or, even, questioning the veracity of these suspensions so I don't understand why some are so strong to shove their opinions down people's throats, or put words into those that are questioning why. Just like the game thread. I don't recall anyone being over the top about their criticism, I certainly wasn't, but name calling and questioning SJU fans "loyalty" (always a favorite of mine to see) ensued. Huh?
I'm not the type to get serious but I...don't get it. I hope people, especially our fans, can express their opinion without being called traitors or something along those lines.
Edit: I should add as long as those opinions are expressed appropriately.
Class of 72
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I think some fans are frustrated at the sheer number of player issues over the past three years.
What some also expect is the resolution of these issues before it leads to a suspension and hits the national media thus giving the program one black eye after another.
Players today have the most inflated egos than in any other generation of basketball players. Less than 5 % have any NBA level talent yet even your average college player will transfer because of playing time.
Someone had mentioned Calipari in a previous thread but Cal has recruited one and done players since his Memphis days and since he coaches NBA talent, he just lets them loose and has them for a semester and a half and they are gone.
The Lavins of the coaching world have a very difficult job but that is what top assistants and grad assistants are there for....to keep players focused. Hopefully the team becomes stronger and better focused than they are at present.
What absolute nonsense. I heard the other day that every four year player under Tom Izzo at Michigan State has made a final four. How many times do you recall Tom Izzo suspending players? He's done it quite a few times actually (Lucious Harris, Derrick Nix, this year with Kenny Kaminski, and these are just the ones I found doing a quick search). It doesn't seem to be impacting Izzo's success. Let's not play this off as if it doesn't happen. It does. If you want the facts, then research them and stop with the wild @ss assumptions.
And on the point of painting Lavin with a broad brush by assuming that he's doing this for the player's own good, that's what he's said when he's suspended them. That's not a broad brush, it's a fact directly from the Coach's mouth.
Finally, for all the guys out there saying that Looie never suspended anyone, it's not as if his guys were choir boys in the NBA. Presumably, and this may be a stretch, they weren't choir boys at St. John's either. Don't get me wrong, I loved Looie as a coach, but discipline was not a strength of some of his players as they moved on through their lives. While we won't know for another 10-20 years what effect Lav's style will have on these guys beyond their St. John's years, I will trust that his approach and motivation is genuine and that he wants the best for these guys in and outside of basketball. As such, maybe they learn how to grow up and understand the consequences of their actions (which by the way, is also about accountability).
Some of the crap that comes out of peoples mouths is incredible. Is he the best player.....I've seen 4 games games and to be honest he hasn't wowed me. He may have been a star in HS but this the Big East. If he transfers it would be a shame no see his "potential" but to say the program that has gotten more press and hype in recent years to be classified as in a downward spiral is ridiculous!. Joe......is that you?
I wish some of you would just come out and say that you don't particularly care for Lavin, and then all of the other indirect crap can cease. It's cool! You don't have to be fond of the coach, and continue to root for the program. I'm already sure who are the culprits, per their posts and 'thank you's,' in regards to certain posts.
Please spare the board with the BS about you're still behind Lavin, but.... I know poppycock when I hear it.
Please spare the board with the BS about you're still behind Lavin, but.... I know poppycock when I hear it.
