Rysheed Jordan
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terrificboss
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Who know when or if he will be back. The Post said he is suspended indefinitely and is not practicing with the team.
beast of the east
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No one is above the rules.
Why does this stuff happen? Because from the time these kids were a head taller than everyone else, form the time it was clear they were the best on the PAL or CYO team, EVERYONE has kissed their butts. I've been around youth ball for a long time, and you see coaches and parents fawn over the best player(s) like they were some kind of god. I've seen the best kids put or put on displays that would never be tolerated from a scrub, and they get away with it. If you even look at ourselves, if you go to an alumni event and former players are there, even old men line up to rub shoulders with a former player they hardly or don't even know. So many of these kids grow up thinking and having it reinforced by authority figures that they have a different set of rules than everyone else. If that's the case here, then kudos to Lavin for having ramifications for crossing the line. The trick is for Lavin to let the player know once the discipline is imparted, there are no after affects, and the kid is welcomed back in the fold.
My son goes to a high school with strict rules in part reinforced by the ROTC presence there. at an open house 4 years ago, I asked a kid what happens once the infraction occur and discipline is over. Some area Catholic high schools have demerits that stay with you for 4 years (Marianists for one). The kid laughed at me and said "Nothing. What do you mean?" I explained and he said, "Once you do your JUG (Justice under God - some detention related activity) it's over.
So it's important for Lavin to just move on after the suspension. In the most celebrated case, Harrison, Lavin appears to have done just that, and Harrison is responding wonderfully.
Why does this stuff happen? Because from the time these kids were a head taller than everyone else, form the time it was clear they were the best on the PAL or CYO team, EVERYONE has kissed their butts. I've been around youth ball for a long time, and you see coaches and parents fawn over the best player(s) like they were some kind of god. I've seen the best kids put or put on displays that would never be tolerated from a scrub, and they get away with it. If you even look at ourselves, if you go to an alumni event and former players are there, even old men line up to rub shoulders with a former player they hardly or don't even know. So many of these kids grow up thinking and having it reinforced by authority figures that they have a different set of rules than everyone else. If that's the case here, then kudos to Lavin for having ramifications for crossing the line. The trick is for Lavin to let the player know once the discipline is imparted, there are no after affects, and the kid is welcomed back in the fold.
My son goes to a high school with strict rules in part reinforced by the ROTC presence there. at an open house 4 years ago, I asked a kid what happens once the infraction occur and discipline is over. Some area Catholic high schools have demerits that stay with you for 4 years (Marianists for one). The kid laughed at me and said "Nothing. What do you mean?" I explained and he said, "Once you do your JUG (Justice under God - some detention related activity) it's over.
So it's important for Lavin to just move on after the suspension. In the most celebrated case, Harrison, Lavin appears to have done just that, and Harrison is responding wonderfully.
guinness77
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As someone who, I guess, had the audacity to question what is going on here, I'm not looking for the reasons why these suspensions occur, I'm not blaming Lavin, I don't blame the coaching staff for trying to do what they think is right...
but, none of you find it slightly odd or are even the slightest bit frustrated at the fact we constantly have players suspended or that we've had guys that couldn't even qualify to play? It's an odd trend. Hopefully one that stops. Flame me all you want, I won't even be around to defend my opinion, but, like I said in the thread I started, I'm not looking for the solution to this issue or, even, the reasons why, I'm just frustrated that this seemingly comes up every couple of months.
but, none of you find it slightly odd or are even the slightest bit frustrated at the fact we constantly have players suspended or that we've had guys that couldn't even qualify to play? It's an odd trend. Hopefully one that stops. Flame me all you want, I won't even be around to defend my opinion, but, like I said in the thread I started, I'm not looking for the solution to this issue or, even, the reasons why, I'm just frustrated that this seemingly comes up every couple of months.
This is kind of scary, it went from suspended one game for breaking team rules, to a potential for him to not return to the team? Wow.
Also, was watching the game with my fiance last night (UConn grad also) and told her what happened, and that he probably missed a class and would miss one game. She said "Well, they sure don't enforce those rules at UConn!" And she was right, the stuff they were able to get away with while I was there was ridiculous. Can tell you for sure I had classes with a bunch of the players and Okafor was the only one who attended class.
On the surface, it would seem like Lavin is being super strict (the Obekpa situation), which you can't fault someone for doing the right thing. Unless we know more about the situation, it's not fair to assume though. From what it seems like, we have a great group of young men making up the team.
Also, was watching the game with my fiance last night (UConn grad also) and told her what happened, and that he probably missed a class and would miss one game. She said "Well, they sure don't enforce those rules at UConn!" And she was right, the stuff they were able to get away with while I was there was ridiculous. Can tell you for sure I had classes with a bunch of the players and Okafor was the only one who attended class.
On the surface, it would seem like Lavin is being super strict (the Obekpa situation), which you can't fault someone for doing the right thing. Unless we know more about the situation, it's not fair to assume though. From what it seems like, we have a great group of young men making up the team.
The tone of Lavin's remarks in the Post article certainly did not make it appear that Mr.Jordan's conduct was merely missing a class as someone in a previous post suggested.
Let's hope that Lavin gets control of his team and that they play well enough to make the NCAA Tournament.
Let's hope that Lavin gets control of his team and that they play well enough to make the NCAA Tournament.
westchesterjoe
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The Spin Zone is a twitter on speculating with Jordan's suspension...When your prize recruit gets suspended 4 games into his college career, it's not a good sign for anyone.. The Coach, the team, the player.
Optimistic25
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Anyone who doesn't think players show up late, miss class, and break other team rules on squads all over the country is just lost. Heck, even adults show up late to work and don't always follow rules and take care of responsibilities, so you can be damn certain that high school and college kids will too. I seriously doubt Lavin's players break rules with any more regularity than any other 18-21 year olds out there. The only difference is some coaches look the other way and don't check attendance in class and except lateness, while other coaches will not tolerate it. Not tolerating something means enforcing a consequence when it occurs, not just getting upset. If the behavior occurs, and there's no consequence, than the coach is saying its OK with his actions or lack of.
Lavin didn't do what was easy yesterday, he did what was right. A lesser man would of made the easy decision to look the other way and allowed him to play. The program is stronger today than it was before this occurred.
Lavin didn't do what was easy yesterday, he did what was right. A lesser man would of made the easy decision to look the other way and allowed him to play. The program is stronger today than it was before this occurred.
westchesterjoe
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All very valid points.. Stronger today? Not likely... Jordan is a franchise skilled player, coveted by many major programs...For him to get suspended for any reason is not a positive sign..
On the Court, he's been on a short leash, a well known Lavin technique. He's a prized kid inserted into a team with 2-3 year players who aren't as good but, still want their minutes, shots, etc.. Greene has had 2 terrific shooting games but, GREENIE never passes the ball, to anyone..Jordan was suppose to be the distributor, penetrator.. If Greene has the ball all the time, how does Jordan get in the flow, mix of the game?
That's for Lavin to decide but, it's a delicate balance that Coaches have to deal with all the time.
It hasn't helped that,without Greene's shooting in the games against Bucknell and Monmouth, we might have lost! Both games weren't decided until late..Jordan wasn't in there at crunch time. It has to bother him..
The dynamics of blending the skills of this team's players into a functioning unit will be a season long struggle..
You simply don't know that any of that is true.
You don't know what the circumstances were.
So it's equally absurd for people like yourself to defend coach blindly, as it is for the posters who are criticizing his decision. We don't know!
It's possible coach is overreacting and punishing him for something petty. It's also possible Jordan deserves everything he's getting, and coach is making the program stronger.
We don't know! Everyone needs to stop blindly defending OR criticizing coach/Rhysheed.
Moon Mullen
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I think this response deserves a second read, especially for the look the other way non disciplinarians.
Room 112, Jordan being one and done is overstated. Any given year, there are only a handful of kids that are really one and done and, of the ones that do make the jump, a couple of them probably should not have. Jordan is not at that level. Hell, Aaron Harrison is ranked higher and he should stay another year (the sg, not the pg).
To address Desco's point that we don't know and, therefore, can't take a position. If there is a rule and the kid breaks it, then one can take the position that the coach is right for suspending the player. Of course, another can take the position that there should be no rules or that the coach should look the other way for a star player (if Jordan is that). That's their prerogative. Unless people here think that Lavin indiscriminately chooses to mete out punishment when, in fact, the kid didn't do anything wrong, then the coach is right to enforce the rules. We rip Uconn and Cuse all the time for their shennanigans but then get upset with our coach when he chooses to set a higher standard.
To address Desco's point that we don't know and, therefore, can't take a position. If there is a rule and the kid breaks it, then one can take the position that the coach is right for suspending the player. Of course, another can take the position that there should be no rules or that the coach should look the other way for a star player (if Jordan is that). That's their prerogative. Unless people here think that Lavin indiscriminately chooses to mete out punishment when, in fact, the kid didn't do anything wrong, then the coach is right to enforce the rules. We rip Uconn and Cuse all the time for their shennanigans but then get upset with our coach when he chooses to set a higher standard.
Class of 72
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Suspensions, Transfers, Non-qualifiers, underachieving ranked players, declining recruits interested..........that is the word being spread by opposing coaches and handlers. It was great to quote John Wooden those first two years, great to hire UCLA pals, sad for him to personally go through two years of terrible personal pain but this is the year he will be held to a normal standard as a coach.
He needs to get his players on the same page. The trip to Europe was obviously a sightseeing tour.
The bench coaching and substitutions are becoming hard to take. To bench your player for the remainder of a game for a foul and two turnovers deflates a player who is already on an emotional treadmill. Nurideen Lindsey was run out of town in the same manner. We can strike Philly off our recruiting map.....along with NYC.
Sometimes the fish stinks from the head.
He needs to get his players on the same page. The trip to Europe was obviously a sightseeing tour.
The bench coaching and substitutions are becoming hard to take. To bench your player for the remainder of a game for a foul and two turnovers deflates a player who is already on an emotional treadmill. Nurideen Lindsey was run out of town in the same manner. We can strike Philly off our recruiting map.....along with NYC.
Sometimes the fish stinks from the head.
Optimistic25
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You're right, I don't know the specific circumstances. I don't need to.
What I do know is Lavin has team rules and expectations. I know he obviously has consequences and the fortitude to enforce his consequences. I know he shows consistency with his suspensions in that it doesn't matter if the guy plays a lot or a little, if he breaks a rule that leads to a suspension, he enforces it.
So whether we agree or disagree with rules he has or the consequence for the rules is irrelevant. What matters is that he tells his players what's not acceptable in his eyes, before the season, and if they try to test the rules, he enforces a consequence that the players were already made aware of.
Look I understand that what I'm saying or what a coach is doing when he suspends will not make sense to some here who have never tried to lead a group of young men this age. I have run a high school varsity sports program for many years and can empathize with him to a degree and I'm sure any other teacher, coach or other leader out there can too. I guarantee the other players respected Lavin's decision yesterday.
What I do know is Lavin has team rules and expectations. I know he obviously has consequences and the fortitude to enforce his consequences. I know he shows consistency with his suspensions in that it doesn't matter if the guy plays a lot or a little, if he breaks a rule that leads to a suspension, he enforces it.
So whether we agree or disagree with rules he has or the consequence for the rules is irrelevant. What matters is that he tells his players what's not acceptable in his eyes, before the season, and if they try to test the rules, he enforces a consequence that the players were already made aware of.
Look I understand that what I'm saying or what a coach is doing when he suspends will not make sense to some here who have never tried to lead a group of young men this age. I have run a high school varsity sports program for many years and can empathize with him to a degree and I'm sure any other teacher, coach or other leader out there can too. I guarantee the other players respected Lavin's decision yesterday.