Rysheed Jordan

[room112]

Suspensions, Transfers, Non-qualifiers, underachieving ranked players, declining recruits interested..........that is the word being spread by opposing coaches and handlers. It was great to quote John Wooden those first two years, great to hire UCLA pals, sad for him to personally go through two years of terrible personal pain but this is the year he will be held to a normal standard as a coach.
He needs to get his players on the same page. The trip to Europe was obviously a sightseeing tour.
The bench coaching and substitutions are becoming hard to take. To bench your player for the remainder of a game for a foul and two turnovers deflates a player who is already on an emotional treadmill. Nurideen Lindsey was run out of town in the same manner. We can strike Philly off our recruiting map.....along with NYC.
Sometimes the fish stinks from the head.

I really can't tell if this is serious, or sarcasm. If it is serious, get off the ledge dude.

 

[Class of 72]

Suspensions, Transfers, Non-qualifiers, underachieving ranked players, declining recruits interested..........that is the word being spread by opposing coaches and handlers. It was great to quote John Wooden those first two years, great to hire UCLA pals, sad for him to personally go through two years of terrible personal pain but this is the year he will be held to a normal standard as a coach.
He needs to get his players on the same page. The trip to Europe was obviously a sightseeing tour.
The bench coaching and substitutions are becoming hard to take. To bench your player for the remainder of a game for a foul and two turnovers deflates a player who is already on an emotional treadmill. Nurideen Lindsey was run out of town in the same manner. We can strike Philly off our recruiting map.....along with NYC.
Sometimes the fish stinks from the head.

I really can't tell if this is serious, or sarcasm. If it is serious, get off the ledge dude.

It is a little of both. It was all serious until the last two remarks which were obviously sarcasm. I hope this clarifies things for you.
You see, even fans can double talk like a head coach!

 

[JackofVirginia]

Anyone who doesn't think players show up late, miss class, and break other team rules on squads all over the country is just lost. Heck, even adults show up late to work and don't always follow rules and take care of responsibilities, so you can be damn certain that high school and college kids will too. I seriously doubt Lavin's players break rules with any more regularity than any other 18-21 year olds out there. The only difference is some coaches look the other way and don't check attendance in class and except lateness, while other coaches will not tolerate it. Not tolerating something means enforcing a consequence when it occurs, not just getting upset. If the behavior occurs, and there's no consequence, than the coach is saying its OK with his actions or lack of.

Lavin didn't do what was easy yesterday, he did what was right. A lesser man would of made the easy decision to look the other way and allowed him to play. The program is stronger today than it was before this occurred.

All very valid points.. Stronger today? Not likely... Jordan is a franchise skilled player, coveted by many major programs...For him to get suspended for any reason is not a positive sign..

On the Court, he's been on a short leash, a well known Lavin technique. He's a prized kid inserted into a team with 2-3 year players who aren't as good but, still want their minutes, shots, etc.. Greene has had 2 terrific shooting games but, GREENIE never passes the ball, to anyone..Jordan was suppose to be the distributor, penetrator.. If Greene has the ball all the time, how does Jordan get in the flow, mix of the game?

That's for Lavin to decide but, it's a delicate balance that Coaches have to deal with all the time.

It hasn't helped that,without Greene's shooting in the games against Bucknell and Monmouth, we might have lost! Both games weren't decided until late..Jordan wasn't in there at crunch time. It has to bother him..

The dynamics of blending the skills of this team's players into a functioning unit will be a season long struggle..

Jordan didn't play much in the second half against Bucknell. And I believe it did bother him. If you recall from my post I thought he looked pissed on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if this led to some confrontation or a no show to practice.

 

[Section9]

Anyone who doesn't think players show up late, miss class, and break other team rules on squads all over the country is just lost. Heck, even adults show up late to work and don't always follow rules and take care of responsibilities, so you can be damn certain that high school and college kids will too. I seriously doubt Lavin's players break rules with any more regularity than any other 18-21 year olds out there. The only difference is some coaches look the other way and don't check attendance in class and except lateness, while other coaches will not tolerate it. Not tolerating something means enforcing a consequence when it occurs, not just getting upset. If the behavior occurs, and there's no consequence, than the coach is saying its OK with his actions or lack of.

Lavin didn't do what was easy yesterday, he did what was right. A lesser man would of made the easy decision to look the other way and allowed him to play. The program is stronger today than it was before this occurred.

All very valid points.. Stronger today? Not likely... Jordan is a franchise skilled player, coveted by many major programs...For him to get suspended for any reason is not a positive sign..

On the Court, he's been on a short leash, a well known Lavin technique. He's a prized kid inserted into a team with 2-3 year players who aren't as good but, still want their minutes, shots, etc.. Greene has had 2 terrific shooting games but, GREENIE never passes the ball, to anyone..Jordan was suppose to be the distributor, penetrator.. If Greene has the ball all the time, how does Jordan get in the flow, mix of the game?

That's for Lavin to decide but, it's a delicate balance that Coaches have to deal with all the time.

It hasn't helped that,without Greene's shooting in the games against Bucknell and Monmouth, we might have lost! Both games weren't decided until late..Jordan wasn't in there at crunch time. It has to bother him..

The dynamics of blending the skills of this team's players into a functioning unit will be a season long struggle..

Jordan didn't play much in the second half against Bucknell. And I believe it did bother him. If you recall from my post I thought he looked pissed on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if this led to some confrontation or a no show to practice.

Jordan didn't play because the lineup of DLo, Phil, Dom, Chris and JaKarr/Orlando was doing the job at the defensive end and Phil was the scoring leader at the offensive end. Down the stretch you want DLo in there because he's our best foul shooter and not afraid to take the big shot. So do you want to break up the continuity that got us back in the game and the lead in the second half just for the sake of putting a guy in because he should be getting minutes? Lavin loves to jerk guys in and out of the game, especially in the first half but I applaud the fact in the second that he stuck with the six best guys for the situation.

 

[41ndone]

A coach who can not or will not maintain discipline , is not really a coach.

 

[jr49]

Whata the .............., Another suspension this is starting to look like a Lavin problem . He has already hads more suspenions then Lou did in 23 years plus Lapchick last 10 years.

This is Not A Lavin Problem. Guys shaves points at this school, and everyone was a dummy. Thats just the times. Behavior from the 80s in todays world and everybody's favorite players not suiting up here. Lavin's handling of the players proper, and they lucky they got him for a coach. Anyone hear from any player in the time coach been here that they have a problem with him?

 

[PARedman]

I agree with Optimistic. Lavin isn't coaching one blue chip freshman player. He's coaching an entire team, and you better believe that the way he handles Jordan registers with the other players, including Harrison, who spent the summer in an anger management program, and seems to be doing quite well. As for giving people the benefit of doubt, I give BOD to Lavin, first and foremost, when it comes to disciplining his players. I just wish he got Gene Keady more involved in game strategy. Maybe he does, but I have to believe that with GK's track record, he'd do some things differently in game situations. Or not

 

[SJUalum98]

I find it ridiculous posters are questioning the suspensions without knowing what happened. I coached at the juco level years ago and I can tell those of you that have never been around a college program that the sh@t coaches have to deal with on a daily basis is draining...just mind-boggling. Alex Evans used to have to run around like a babysitter.

You nip this stuff in the bud as early as possible before it becomes part of the culture.

So someone has to be in the coaching circles to understand what a Lavin goes through?

Come on.

This is stupid right now.

Right or wrong, name a school that has this many self-imposed suspensions and mid-season players leaving year in and year out.

No one is defending the players. Simply questioning what in the world is going on at a school where most of us thought that this kind of nonsense was behind us or at least getting there.

Lavin is right. He's acting like a parent. But the truth is, he's not their parent. Just like each professor they have is not their parent.

Every single school has players who have academic issues or miss practice or whatever the case may be. This is college athletics and it's nothing new.

But times have changed. Lavin has not adjusted from his UCLA days it seems. The recruiting landscape is entirely different. Social media has these kids thinking they're celebrities moreso than ever before. If he doesn't want these type of kids here, he needs to lower his expectations and go after lower level kids.

Because this school does not have the winning pedigree to pull kids just based on our name.

And every single year and every single player that gets suspended or transfers will be used against him.

You can't have it both ways. You cannot. We don't have the type of coaching that Butler had to get to Final Fours. And we won't have the type of players necessary to get us to the tournament if his reputation is that of "mess up and you sit".

You guys may not want to admit that but it's the hard truth.

If every coach in the nation sat a player because he messed up, we'd only watch games full of walk-ons.

 

[PARedman]

So, you never heard the term "in loco parentis"?

 

[SJUalum98]

So, you never heard the term "in loco parentis"?

I couldn't care less about that term.

He is not their parent. He's a head coach. Is his job description different than Calipari, Izzo or Pitino?

Like I said, if he wants it that way, he needs to start recruiting players out of the Top 150.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

I find it ridiculous posters are questioning the suspensions without knowing what happened. I coached at the juco level years ago and I can tell those of you that have never been around a college program that the sh@t coaches have to deal with on a daily basis is draining...just mind-boggling. Alex Evans used to have to run around like a babysitter.

You nip this stuff in the bud as early as possible before it becomes part of the culture.

So someone has to be in the coaching circles to understand what a Lavin goes through?

Come on.

This is stupid right now.

Right or wrong, name a school that has this many self-imposed suspensions and mid-season players leaving year in and year out.

No one is defending the players. Simply questioning what in the world is going on at a school where most of us thought that this kind of nonsense was behind us or at least getting there.

Lavin is right. He's acting like a parent. But the truth is, he's not their parent. Just like each professor they have is not their parent.

Every single school has players who have academic issues or miss practice or whatever the case may be. This is college athletics and it's nothing new.

But times have changed. Lavin has not adjusted from his UCLA days it seems. The recruiting landscape is entirely different. Social media has these kids thinking they're celebrities moreso than ever before. If he doesn't want these type of kids here, he needs to lower his expectations and go after lower level kids.

Because this school does not have the winning pedigree to pull kids just based on our name.

And every single year and every single player that gets suspended or transfers will be used against him.

You can't have it both ways. You cannot. We don't have the type of coaching that Butler had to get to Final Fours. And we won't have the type of players necessary to get us to the tournament if his reputation is that of "mess up and you sit".

You guys may not want to admit that but it's the hard truth.

If every coach in the nation sat a player because he messed up, we'd only watch games full of walk-ons.

Your boss/company is not your 'parent' either, but guess what? They have rules that you have to follow, and if you don't follow them, you will be punished.

 

[PARedman]

You may not care about the term, but the fact is, when parents send their 18-year-old off to college, they have a certain expectation that college officials, including coaches, are in loco parentis. An 18-year-old is still a kid. That applies to some 19-somethings as well. They still need guidance and support and yes, discipline. In the grand scheme of things, we're getting them ready for life, off the court.

 

[jr49]

Lavin didn't do what was easy yesterday, he did what was right. A lesser man would of made the easy decision to look the other way and allowed him to play. The program is stronger today than it was before this occurred.

You simply don't know that any of that is true.
You don't know what the circumstances were.
So it's equally absurd for people like yourself to defend coach blindly, as it is for the posters who are criticizing his decision. We don't know!

It's possible coach is overreacting and punishing him for something petty. It's also possible Jordan deserves everything he's getting, and coach is making the program stronger.

We don't know! Everyone needs to stop blindly defending OR criticizing coach/Rhysheed.

Coach from a basketball family and been around the game in different capacity's. After many years in the business, not a scent of impropriety coming from coach Steve. I trust this coach. Those here who have invented shit , and thats what I'll call it can find problems with this coach. I would hope at a time like this he would get the trust and respect of most here. He's got mine, and I don't expect to be disappointed.

 

[Section3]

So, you never heard the term "in loco parentis"?

I couldn't care less about that term.

He is not their parent. He's a head coach. Is his job description different than Calipari, Izzo or Pitino?

Like I said, if he wants it that way, he needs to start recruiting players out of the Top 150.

You're right! He is not their parent and did not say he was their parent. He drew an analogy between his role as a coach and the role of a parent - both of which have to make tough decisions and, when necessary, mete out discipline.

 

[austour]

So, you never heard the term "in loco parentis"?

I couldn't care less about that term.

He is not their parent. He's a head coach. Is his job description different than Calipari, Izzo or Pitino?

Like I said, if he wants it that way, he needs to start recruiting players out of the Top 150.

I have to say after reading your posts on this thread some of my wishes to be young again have disappeared.

 

[jr49]

The tone of Lavin's remarks in the Post article certainly did not make it appear that Mr.Jordan's conduct was merely missing a class as someone in a previous post suggested.

Let's hope that Lavin gets control of his team and that they play well enough to make the NCAA Tournament.

Has he lost control of the team?

 

[SJU85]

The tone of Lavin's remarks in the Post article certainly did not make it appear that Mr.Jordan's conduct was merely missing a class as someone in a previous post suggested.

Let's hope that Lavin gets control of his team and that they play well enough to make the NCAA Tournament.

Has he lost control of the team?

Really????? C'mon man.

Coach K kicked Andre Dawkins off of Duke after Dawkins junior year for things including "not being a good teammate" (Sports Illustrated November 18, 2013 issue). Dawkins kept his scholarship but did not participate in any team activities and had to work his way back if he wanted to suit up again. That's just one example of a coach disciplining a player. It happens and usually for a reason. I don't know what happened with RJ and hope he is back in the fold. I also respect the need for rules and discipline as I rather not go back to the days of Jarvis off or on the court.

 

[jr49]

I'm really getting sick and tired of all the suspensions. What is it this time? Rysheed didn't shave? Or he logged into social media? Or he didn't follow one of Lavin's archaic Wooden rules that worked 20 years ago?

This is starting to get stupid.

Flame me if you want.

98, sorry all the suspensions getting you sick and tired. How many have there been? Feel better soon.

 

[simplyred]

Hopefully his kid never comes home and says "I didn't do anything. The teacher just hates me for no reason."

 

[Class of 72]

Anyone who doesn't think players show up late, miss class, and break other team rules on squads all over the country is just lost. Heck, even adults show up late to work and don't always follow rules and take care of responsibilities, so you can be damn certain that high school and college kids will too. I seriously doubt Lavin's players break rules with any more regularity than any other 18-21 year olds out there. The only difference is some coaches look the other way and don't check attendance in class and except lateness, while other coaches will not tolerate it. Not tolerating something means enforcing a consequence when it occurs, not just getting upset. If the behavior occurs, and there's no consequence, than the coach is saying its OK with his actions or lack of.

Lavin didn't do what was easy yesterday, he did what was right. A lesser man would of made the easy decision to look the other way and allowed him to play. The program is stronger today than it was before this occurred.

All very valid points.. Stronger today? Not likely... Jordan is a franchise skilled player, coveted by many major programs...For him to get suspended for any reason is not a positive sign..

On the Court, he's been on a short leash, a well known Lavin technique. He's a prized kid inserted into a team with 2-3 year players who aren't as good but, still want their minutes, shots, etc.. Greene has had 2 terrific shooting games but, GREENIE never passes the ball, to anyone..Jordan was suppose to be the distributor, penetrator.. If Greene has the ball all the time, how does Jordan get in the flow, mix of the game?

That's for Lavin to decide but, it's a delicate balance that Coaches have to deal with all the time.

It hasn't helped that,without Greene's shooting in the games against Bucknell and Monmouth, we might have lost! Both games weren't decided until late..Jordan wasn't in there at crunch time. It has to bother him..

The dynamics of blending the skills of this team's players into a functioning unit will be a season long struggle..

Jordan didn't play much in the second half against Bucknell. And I believe it did bother him. If you recall from my post I thought he looked pissed on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if this led to some confrontation or a no show to practice.

It is the job of one of the assistants to use that time to teach, advise and keep him focused on what needs to be done. There was a disconnect while he was benched. D'Lo was not playing any smarter or better as a junior in the game but Lavin seems to hope for DLo to bail him out of bad games rather than game strategy.