Rysheed Jordan
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If this is true, then this is devastating news. We might be fine this season, but going into the future, it's really going to hurt. What could spark the kid to want to leave this soon? I guess we could be asking the same question of Jamal Branch who left during his first semester to come here.
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I think many fans are starting to disregard whatever Lavin says about players.
What he said was "he was the best player he ever coached" and it begs the question does this man speak about his players in hyperbole or does he really mean what he says about a player before he has even coached him in a real game!
Lav has that Irish gift and when he is using it he does not look at you in the eyes. When he embellishes his eyes wander all over the place. I am pretty sure when he made that statement Lav was looking at the ceiling.
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Jamal was not rectruited by the coach he ended up playing for at TAM.
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If he thought he was one and done he started cutting classes a semester too early! LOL!
But do we believe coach that the transgression was not serious or was it hyperbole?
The thing is, right now every little bump in the road is being amplified because the team doesn't look great on the court yet. If the team was firing on all cylinders, and really looked to be clicking, then fans would be able to brush off an early season suspension, or even (god for bid) a highly touted recruit who chooses to transfer. Things like that do happen, to every program. And sometimes you go into the new year without any recruits signed, that also happens - and by themselves neither thing means the world is ending. But, when the team was expected to be talented and experienced, and they don't look in-sync yet; then all the other stuff is looked at under a microscope.
Winning really can be a cure-all. For fans nervous about recruiting, for players not thrilled with their playing time, for everybody.
This is adversity, it happens. We haven't fallen flat in our first few games, but things certainly aren't going swimmingly. Good teams rally at times like this. they put the "hammer to the rock" as coach likes to say. Let's see what this team is made of
Winning really can be a cure-all. For fans nervous about recruiting, for players not thrilled with their playing time, for everybody.
This is adversity, it happens. We haven't fallen flat in our first few games, but things certainly aren't going swimmingly. Good teams rally at times like this. they put the "hammer to the rock" as coach likes to say. Let's see what this team is made of
I'm still holding out hope that this is just rumor and conjecture. Maybe Rhysheed went home for the weekend to talk to his family. It's Philly, not Australia. He could be at practice tomorrow morning and apologizing to coach for all we know.
And I don't know '72. If I had to guess I'd say he's telling the truth and it was something minor, but had signs of being a bad habit that might continue and coach wanted to nip it in the bud now. But really, what do I know?
Valid point...I hope this is all just wild speculation...That said, I can understand why he would be a bit ticked off as he played pretty well in the 1st half of the last game...Getting iced in the 2nd half would tick off most players...
The question I asked was how many players on the Top 25 teams in the nation have suspended players. Why do we have 3 which probably matches the total of all these other teams? Care to explain it.
And Lavin isn't in Izzo's stratosphere when it comes to being a coach. He can recruit the best of them and coach the best of them. Players want to play for him and the school sells itself. And they make the tourney every year.
We do not have those type of luxuries.
If it weren't for bad news, we wouldn't have headlines and that is a damn shame.
If you or anyone else wants to act like this is just par for the course and everything is just peachy, then go ahead.
But I'm sick and tired of hearing before every game how one of our players is being suspended. It's embarrassing.
There are ways to hold players accountable without suspending them. Again, the suspension teaches a kid nothing but the negative consequence of their action. And it also humiliates the kid. But do you care about that or just about how justified the coach is for laying the hammer down?
ErickTheRed
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Is it possible that Jordan has issues? I'm sure Lavs and staff have an idea how to handle players a little better then some of us posting on this board. He's got a hall of fame special asst, a couple of guys with NBA front office experience and a good asst who worked under a great college coach. Maybe Jordan sees Phil, D'lo and JB playing more. We all heard how great Nuri was (i.e. video clips of him hitting 3's in an empty gym) he was gonna be here for a year then off to the NBA (I know Dunlap was coach). Is it possible that Lavs is just honest with his players and telling them he will play the better or hot hand? and not promise a starting job and the player gets upset and bolts. Guess all i am saying is that a guy who has recruited top talent over the years has an idea of how to deal with it. If the year went on and he let Jordan do what he may want what does that look like to Jakarr, Dom and D'lo.
I think at the end of the day though, somebody is going to sit Rhysheed down and explain that the fastest way for him to get to the nba is by staying put at St Johns.
If he transfers he won't get back on the court till next January, and nobody will draft him if they only see him for half a season next year. So in reality he's on a 3 year plan if he transfers.
If he stays, he's got a shot and getting a pay day much sooner.
At least I hope somebody tells him that.
Valid point...I hope this is all just wild speculation...That said, I can understand why he would be a bit ticked off as he played pretty well in the 1st half of the last game...Getting iced in the 2nd half would tick off most players...[/quote]
TRabinowitz
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I am studying education at the graduate level and for the last few months I have been completing my student teaching at an elementary school in the South Bronx. Obviously, a place with a variety of different extremely tough issues.
However, in the teaching profession, even with the toughest kids, sending them to detention (or suspending them) is a last resort. When a teacher sends a large amount of children to detention within a month, it is flagged by administration. And you know what?? Rightfully so. "Why can't YOU as a teacher control your children in the classroom without having to remove them from the learning environment?? It should be a last resort to send them to detention."
Such should be the case with suspending a player too. And that is the issue here, too. This is now the 3rd player suspended in 2 years, 4th if you include Dom's suspension for the fight. That is a rather large number of players to have been suspended. It is NOT unfair to wonder why the coaching staff cannot gain control of situations without resorting to suspension. After all, when you suspend a player you are removing them from the learning environment and also in this case when you suspend a kid like Rysheed, you are likely directly or indirectly sending him home to then be around those certain people in his ear that may try to work against what your coaching staff is aiming to instill.
If it's one suspension, fine. But now it's three, and its very fair to look and see that there is a pattern here and the coaching staff is using the "last resort" in order to reach some of these guys and wonder what type of true control the staff has over the situation. Yes, as an educator it is important to set a system of accountability and consistency when doling out discipline. But it's equally as important to make sure that you can do enough to reach your students/players without constantly having to go to that last resort of removing them from the team for periods of time.
However, in the teaching profession, even with the toughest kids, sending them to detention (or suspending them) is a last resort. When a teacher sends a large amount of children to detention within a month, it is flagged by administration. And you know what?? Rightfully so. "Why can't YOU as a teacher control your children in the classroom without having to remove them from the learning environment?? It should be a last resort to send them to detention."
Such should be the case with suspending a player too. And that is the issue here, too. This is now the 3rd player suspended in 2 years, 4th if you include Dom's suspension for the fight. That is a rather large number of players to have been suspended. It is NOT unfair to wonder why the coaching staff cannot gain control of situations without resorting to suspension. After all, when you suspend a player you are removing them from the learning environment and also in this case when you suspend a kid like Rysheed, you are likely directly or indirectly sending him home to then be around those certain people in his ear that may try to work against what your coaching staff is aiming to instill.
If it's one suspension, fine. But now it's three, and its very fair to look and see that there is a pattern here and the coaching staff is using the "last resort" in order to reach some of these guys and wonder what type of true control the staff has over the situation. Yes, as an educator it is important to set a system of accountability and consistency when doling out discipline. But it's equally as important to make sure that you can do enough to reach your students/players without constantly having to go to that last resort of removing them from the team for periods of time.
ErickTheRed
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I just don't get how everyone bashes jarvis for the things he had happen under his watch, and now we have someone holding players accountable, somehow i think if this was marco or felix some would have no problem with it. But because its our star recruit and last year our best player somehow it must be coach. I'm not saying Lavs is 100% right but everyone has they're own management style, if his doesnt work i'm sure a change will be made eventually.
Yes and it has been stated that he's been having a rough time shuttling back and forth. This is a kid who was taking care of his younger siblings before coming to St John's up until just a few months ago, so that could be related to missing classes. Even just a short commute it has likely been a major adjustment for him and some culture shock. I buy that more than the posse theory.