guinness77
Well-known member
If this is the case, why would be be suspended? I'm happy there's at least a plausible theory out here, but a suspension seems a bit harsh if it involves a sick relative, especially his mother.
Rysheed Jordan
- Thread starter SJU14
- Start date
If this is the case, why would be be suspended? I'm happy there's at least a plausible theory out here, but a suspension seems a bit harsh if it involves a sick relative, especially his mother.
hypothetically, the school has standards that precede NCAA standards so while the sick mom excuse may fly with a prof or two temporarily, it would not get a player out of meeting academic standards and maintaining eligibility no matter how good the excuse was. So while it may seem harsh now, too much leniency could mean no Jordan after New Years.
guinness77
Well-known member
Your last sentence = good point
Edit: hopefully this kid has some family/people who got his back to help him out back home.
TX Redman
Well-known member
As a parent (coach) of three teenagers I have rules. Transgressions occur and sometimes they get a stern lecture, sometimes the Xbox goes away - once it was the car keys. Every now and then, they get grounded. That's just the way it goes. They know the house rules, they know the consequences. They will be better for it in the long run and we have each other’s respect. (Thankfully none of them have yet tried to transfer out...) 
I am sure Coach Lavin laid down his rules at the beginning of the season. Maybe the recruits signed a pledge or agreed to a code of conduct as part of their scholarship. I do not think the Coach can be second guessed when it comes to disciplining his players. Evidently, Mr. Jordan broke one or more of the rules, maybe more than once. Ideally, he learns from the suspension. No one is bigger than the Team, etc. If he chooses to transfer, so be it. The institution that is SJU will survive, we have overcome a lot worse.
As an aside, I know it is not always easy to relate to teenagers. I watched Rico Hines talking to one of our young players the other night and based on body language, I am not so sure Mr. Hines was getting his message across... And if Rico can't get through, what hope does Mr. Keady have? I digress...
Lest we forget, Mr. Jordan is only an 18 yr (?) old. He is in a tough spot, away from home, no longer the big man on campus and is probably dealing with a lot of pressure. Reports are his mom is sick. I sincerely hope he is listening to the right people and getting sound advice. For all we know, he will be back on track next week and living up to our lofty expectations.
Thanks for reading my epistle!
I am sure Coach Lavin laid down his rules at the beginning of the season. Maybe the recruits signed a pledge or agreed to a code of conduct as part of their scholarship. I do not think the Coach can be second guessed when it comes to disciplining his players. Evidently, Mr. Jordan broke one or more of the rules, maybe more than once. Ideally, he learns from the suspension. No one is bigger than the Team, etc. If he chooses to transfer, so be it. The institution that is SJU will survive, we have overcome a lot worse.
As an aside, I know it is not always easy to relate to teenagers. I watched Rico Hines talking to one of our young players the other night and based on body language, I am not so sure Mr. Hines was getting his message across... And if Rico can't get through, what hope does Mr. Keady have? I digress...
Lest we forget, Mr. Jordan is only an 18 yr (?) old. He is in a tough spot, away from home, no longer the big man on campus and is probably dealing with a lot of pressure. Reports are his mom is sick. I sincerely hope he is listening to the right people and getting sound advice. For all we know, he will be back on track next week and living up to our lofty expectations.
Thanks for reading my epistle!
tom in salem
Well-known member
Agree with all your points Aubie except this team being perhaps the most talented since 1985.
I think Sealy's team and Artest's team would bury this bunch.
In fact, Lavin's 1st team is better than this team.
Except for blocking shots, this team does not one thing very well.
Lavin's first team were all seniors ,except for one who quit the next year and played little. As I remember Sealy's team really became good in their senior year, Artest' team had Grant as a senior and outstanding point guard in his second year,the best passing team ever at ST. John's. IF Jordan becomes as good as they say he can be and everbody stays,next year we have a final 4 team . Give LAvin a break ,he is the overall coach we have had since Lou
Tom, that is why I used the word " perhaps " and it was not lawyer speak.
I am aware that we have had 2 elite eight teams since 1985 and I agree with you that Sealy's junior team and Artest's sophomore team would bury this bunch.. However, I stick by what I said that this team is the deepest and most talented. That is JMHO and I could be dead wrong but we will never know. My post referenced talent and depth and not good play which is the issue at hand. We want to see the team play well.
The fact of the matter is that the sum of the parts we have is much less than the sum of the individual parts at this point in time.
I do not dispute that this team does not do one thing very well however, it is the job of the coaching staff to utilize the ingredients they have at hand to create a good product on the floor. Louie did a great job in Sealy's junior year as did Jarvis in his first season. We would all like to see Coach Lavin and staff do a good job this season with the tools they have at their disposal. I for one continue to hope that will occur much sooner than later.
I’ve coached basketball and other sport at all levels, from elementary school to high school to junior college and college and also AAU. Also I am a parent and have children ranging in age from my daughter Lou Ann, she's 27, to my newest little one, just three months now, a beautiful little girl we decided to call Mary Ann after my wife and I met Mrs. Lavin at a red and white function several months ago when she graciously spent several minutes making small talk with us at the bar while the sommelier sent downstairs for another bottle of Australian Zinfandel. I have advanced degrees in psychology and philosophy and in the course of studying for my PhD in education am currently student teaching at Papa Doc Duvalier Middle School in Cite Soleil, Port-au-Prince, Haiti, which, if you know anything about Haiti, is a pretty tough school. Before I decided to go back to school to get my ed degree I ran my own company, where I managed a work force of several hundred people before selling out to Google at a large profit. So trust me, I know what I'm talking about.
In all those situations and some others I haven't mentioned - like when I was a Ranger in Vietnam and played jai alai professionally on the European circuit - there were rules. Sometimes the rules were written, sometimes they were oral, and sometimes they were unspoken. But none the less they existed and needed to be followed, except when they were honored in the breach or otherwise broken. Sometimes the rules were simple: not letting my kids stay up past 8 PM if they didn't do their homework or firing some guy because he groped his secretary in the supply closet during the annual Christmas party down at the plant. Other times things got a little murkier, like one time in Monte Carlo when I heard a rumor that my arch-rival George Montgolfier, then the number two ranking jai alai player in the world, was shaving points, or this time in the Nam when I was forced to court martial one of my officers for pushing Victor Charlie out of a helicopter during an interrogation without first cutting off his ear so that we could report an accurate body count to General Westmoreland.
My point is that nobody knows what happened. Nobody knows what sort of code of conduct Lavs has in place and no one knows the rules are or what standards the team is held to. Moreover no one knows what Sheed did, if anything. and no one knows how long whatever he did or didn't do has been going on. That's why I support Coach Lavin 100 percent, because if there weren't rules there would be anarchy. I mean how would you like it if you came home from work and you walk in the door and say honey I’m home and your neighbor Bob from across the street is there and he’s dismembered your wife and popped her in the oven because he was a little hungry and didn’t have anything in the fridge and you say jeez Bob what gives, and he shrugs and says this is anarchy, remember, no rules, and so you have to suck it up and make your own martini.
On the other hand of course the rule have to be fair. Like when I coached AAU ball I didn't throw the kids out of helicopters if they were late for practice, that would have been an over reaction, plus we didn't have a helicopter. Whereas if one of my lutes burned down a village in Laos during a recon mission it wouldn't have done much good to ground him or take away his Xbox, which I had to do to my 14-year old son Berwanger a couple of weeks ago after he and a couple of his friends got into the liquor cabinet. It’s like I told Berwanger, just before I cut his ear, if you lie down with pigs, don’t be surprised if when you wake up your bacon is in the fire.
In all those situations and some others I haven't mentioned - like when I was a Ranger in Vietnam and played jai alai professionally on the European circuit - there were rules. Sometimes the rules were written, sometimes they were oral, and sometimes they were unspoken. But none the less they existed and needed to be followed, except when they were honored in the breach or otherwise broken. Sometimes the rules were simple: not letting my kids stay up past 8 PM if they didn't do their homework or firing some guy because he groped his secretary in the supply closet during the annual Christmas party down at the plant. Other times things got a little murkier, like one time in Monte Carlo when I heard a rumor that my arch-rival George Montgolfier, then the number two ranking jai alai player in the world, was shaving points, or this time in the Nam when I was forced to court martial one of my officers for pushing Victor Charlie out of a helicopter during an interrogation without first cutting off his ear so that we could report an accurate body count to General Westmoreland.
My point is that nobody knows what happened. Nobody knows what sort of code of conduct Lavs has in place and no one knows the rules are or what standards the team is held to. Moreover no one knows what Sheed did, if anything. and no one knows how long whatever he did or didn't do has been going on. That's why I support Coach Lavin 100 percent, because if there weren't rules there would be anarchy. I mean how would you like it if you came home from work and you walk in the door and say honey I’m home and your neighbor Bob from across the street is there and he’s dismembered your wife and popped her in the oven because he was a little hungry and didn’t have anything in the fridge and you say jeez Bob what gives, and he shrugs and says this is anarchy, remember, no rules, and so you have to suck it up and make your own martini.
On the other hand of course the rule have to be fair. Like when I coached AAU ball I didn't throw the kids out of helicopters if they were late for practice, that would have been an over reaction, plus we didn't have a helicopter. Whereas if one of my lutes burned down a village in Laos during a recon mission it wouldn't have done much good to ground him or take away his Xbox, which I had to do to my 14-year old son Berwanger a couple of weeks ago after he and a couple of his friends got into the liquor cabinet. It’s like I told Berwanger, just before I cut his ear, if you lie down with pigs, don’t be surprised if when you wake up your bacon is in the fire.
ErickTheRed
Member
I remember that point shaving scandal, it ruined jai alali for me until Osa Goikoetxa came on the scene.
guinness77
Well-known member
I'm sorry, but that's the funniest stuff I've read in awhile.
jumbo_peanuts
Active member
I feel like this post was nothing more than a "hey everyone, you should pat me on the back for how great I am" post....
beast of the east
Active member
Agree with most of your post. Posters try to qualify their expertise in posting - in most cases, weak at best, irrelevant at worst. There are rules, Lavin enforced them and suspended a projected key player. Response to discipline is probably the one skill that most of these players are not evaluated upon coming in. I don't care if its one player, or three or all of them that are suspended, if you have rules, and the players break them, there are consequences.
Rysheed has been on Instagram since the season began while the other players have not. While I'm not sure something like that deserves a suspension (maybe lavin had warned him?) I'm hoping it's something this small.
Certain suspensions are out of Lavin's hands. Obekpa was suspended for academics and coach had nothing to do with the decision. I don't know if it's NCAA rules or University rules. (Assume its SJU)
In Jordan's case I think we are jumping the gun way too quick. Let's hear more facts.
In Jordan's case I think we are jumping the gun way too quick. Let's hear more facts.