Rysheed Jordan

[MJDinkins]

You think all 3 of them will go in either this year's or next year's draft?

Yes
And so certain posters (not you) don't jump down my throat I don't agree with what their choices may or may not be but that's the nature of the beast.
If you recruit Top 50 kids they have an eye on the next level and usually its less than 4 years. There are many kids who declare and either aren't drafted or drafted in the 2nd round and become forgotten stories. Not saying it will be all this year or all next but I think its being a little blind expecting Chris and Karr to see their Sr years and Jordan to see his JR year.

Agree. It is not about kids being ready. It is what they think. Factor in "advisors" and an awful lot of poor decisions are made. Just the sports world we are living in.

I'd be shocked if Sampson, Obekpa, AND Jordan were here for the 2015-2016 season. If one of the 3 were to stick around for that particular season, then I'd still be a bit surprised. I'd be excited, but surprised, nonetheless.

In this day and age, it really doesn't matter whether a kid is ready to make the bolt (to the NBA) or not. It's just the nature of the beast.

 

[room112]

Also, Sampson is 100% going to NBA after this year unless something terrible happens (injury)

nothing is 100% and if wisdom rules out he'll wait another year. He'd have done better in last year's draft than this. Even if he has a great year, another year and his stock will go way up and he won't be trying to compete for scraps in this monster draft.

Agreed. Currently NBAdraft.net has Sampson at #90 and Obepka at #94, and they're usually pretty accurate.

 

[ras]

GetLiquid, what makes you say Sampson is definitely leaving? Do you have inside info, or is this your opinion?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2013/11/25/5144802/st-johns-selected-2015-maui-invitational?utm_source=rumbleinthegarden&utm_medium=nextclicks&utm_campaign=blogs

Ar the bottom of Pico's article above it says:

More poetic waxing about the Maui Invitational: ESPN's Eamonn Brennan| | Matt Norlander for Sports on Earth

"...The Red Storm should have Christian Jones, Felix Balamou, Max Hooper and David Lipscomb on the team; it is possible that current rotation players Chris Obekpa, JaKarr Sampson and freshman Rysheed Jordan would be on the team as well, if they do not pursue professional opportunities.

But with the class of D`Angelo Harrison, Phil Greene IV, Sir`Dominic Pointer and Jamal Branch all leaving, the Red Storm will look markedly different than today's Johnnies... possibly including a new class of high-level recruits, judging by the staff's focus on the 2015 recruiting class

Christian Jones, Felix Balamou, Max Hooper and David Lipscomb??????????????
That is one scary effen scenario!!!!
IMO, none of the other players will be here in 2015.
So, in 2015 we can resurrect the " we are the youngest team" mantra. LOL!
We better sign a top 5 freshman class or hope we play Chaminade twice.

Sampson, Jordan, and Obekpa will all be back next year. I think all three will be back in two years, but I'd be shocked if we didn't being back 2/3 (assuming no transfers). Jordan isn't even a consideration for the draft this year at this point, and it would take a ridiculous season to get there.

I appreciate your eternal optimism! You are a true homer and you get a special button to wear here on redmen.com! LOL!
Now I do not want to get your bloomers all twisted about my comments being Lavin bashing, after all when I comment about our declining national presence in recruiting I am supposedly bashing coach but some here who also lurk on JJ, where the latest topic is "Rating the coach", seem free to give our coach barely passing grades. To your credit, you were fair in your grade:
"He has recruited the caliber of player that has not considered St. John's for a decade, and that cannot be ignored. I give him a complete pass for year one with all the freshmen, and I think he did fairly well for such a limited team last year."
Just as side note to the above, his first year was with all seniors and last year he did well until early December when he redshirted a needed player for no reason and gutted his scoring with the Harrsion suspension. As for his recruits, well, in year 2 a third did not qualify, a third have since transferred and the other third are underperforming. Yes, I too would have given Lav a B- but only because of his personal tragedies and not his coaching thus far.

I would venture to guess it plays out like this -

Sampson - likely leaves after this year. If for some strange reason he stays, he will leave after next season.
Jordan - from what I have seen so far, it is impossible to predict. I expect him to be back next season and can't venture a guess on 2015.
Obekpa - I expect him to be here in 2015.

This leaves a best case starting lineup for 2015, before recruits

Jordan PG
Balamou SG
Hooper SF
Jones PF
Obekpa C

Lipscomb sixth man

Lets assume we sign DeLarosa and another marginal player in 2014.

Jordan PG
Balamou/Marginal Player SG
Hooper/Marginal Player SF
Jones/DeLarosa PF
Obekpa C

If Jordan and or Obekpa leave it will take a strong 2015 recruiting class (Briscoe/Diallo) to replace them.

Yes I know a lot can still happen but these are my thoughts.

You can't be serious considering Lipscomb as a 6th man @ SJU. If that's the case Lavin might as well pack his bags before that season starts.
Also, Sampson is 100% going to NBA after this year unless something terrible happens (injury)

I heard that Jakarr would be definitely leaving after his freshmen year this time last season. So who knows. Don't think he's anywhere close.

 

[ccnobz]

@StJohnsBBall: #SJUBB's Rysheed Jordan Reinstated For Tuesday's Contest Vs. Longwood; Will be in uniform tonight:http://t.co/U9mVNT4Zng

+1 great news.

That is great news. Going to the tournament Saturday and am really looking forward to see him step up.

Yep, I'm going to check out the Barclay Center for the first time Friday night, i'm glad Jordan will get some mins tonight.

 

[westchesterjoe]

Also, Sampson is 100% going to NBA after this year unless something terrible happens (injury)

nothing is 100% and if wisdom rules out he'll wait another year. He'd have done better in last year's draft than this. Even if he has a great year, another year and his stock will go way up and he won't be trying to compete for scraps in this monster draft.

Agreed. Currently NBAdraft.net has Sampson at #90 and Obepka at #94, and they're usually pretty accurate.

Thanks for info. These are not strong rankings to my knowledge for these 2 players. Both have certain NBA skills in some areas but, neither are 5 tool players in my view. Jordan is not ready now pending his suspension status. Someone should give him Omar Cook's phone number.

Sanchez hasn't shown NBA stats yet but, might. Not having any part of the offense thru him, hurts his chances unless scouts already have an opinion.. I don't see DLO as NBA draftee. Maybe Free agent who rarely make rosters. KInd of like Hardy, Kennedy, Brownlee.

 

[southernjohnny2]

this is too funny...none of these kids would be drafted today...forget what draft express says...it is a loaded European class, and loaded with diaper dandies!!! would be the biggest mistake...Sampson has not shown hit can be consistent with his outside shot...Obekpa the same, and Jordan well he hasn't even played

 

[SJUalum98]

this is too funny...none of these kids would be drafted today...forget what draft express says...it is a loaded European class, and loaded with diaper dandies!!! would be the biggest mistake...Sampson has not shown hit can be consistent with his outside shot...Obekpa the same, and Jordan well he hasn't even played

1. Tons of kids declare early whether it's the right thing to do or not. The NBA D-League is becoming more and more of a farm system for players who are happy to get paid and sort of feel like a pro. Tons of talented college players never set foot in an NBA arena. We're only 4 games into the season. I think Jakarr shows flashes this year and declares. He looked like a 2nd round pick against Wisconsin and I think he'll have a few more games like that this year.

Plus, MSG is always littered with pro scouts. Unless Jakarr completely implodes (which I don't think he will), he's a goner whether he gets drafted or not IMO.

2. Jakarr can refine his game in the spring. Moe had a line drive set shot when he was here. When he left school and went down to IMG, his trainers had him putting more arc on the ball and he shot it consistently enough to get through the draft combine and individual workouts. Moe shoots terribly inconsistent now, but who cares. He parlayed his workouts into the 15th pick.

As ugly as it is, Jakarr has a nice midrange shot. And he gets good lift off the ground with his shot. As long as a pro team feels they can work with him, his athleticism is enough to give him a look.

As long as Jakarr makes a team, I really don't think he cares if he is a 2nd round pick or undrafted at this point.

3. Obekpa is a different story because he has absolutely nothing on the offensive end. I think he leaves as a Junior.

 

[Class of 72]

this is too funny...none of these kids would be drafted today...forget what draft express says...it is a loaded European class, and loaded with diaper dandies!!! would be the biggest mistake...Sampson has not shown hit can be consistent with his outside shot...Obekpa the same, and Jordan well he hasn't even played

1. Tons of kids declare early whether it's the right thing to do or not. The NBA D-League is becoming more and more of a farm system for players who are happy to get paid and sort of feel like a pro. Tons of talented college players never set foot in an NBA arena. We're only 4 games into the season. I think Jakarr shows flashes this year and declares. He looked like a 2nd round pick against Wisconsin and I think he'll have a few more games like that this year.

Plus, MSG is always littered with pro scouts. Unless Jakarr completely implodes (which I don't think he will), he's a goner whether he gets drafted or not IMO.

2. Jakarr can refine his game in the spring. Moe had a line drive set shot when he was here. When he left school and went down to IMG, his trainers had him putting more arc on the ball and he shot it consistently enough to get through the draft combine and individual workouts. Moe shoots terribly inconsistent now, but who cares. He parlayed his workouts into the 15th pick.

As ugly as it is, Jakarr has a nice midrange shot. And he gets good lift off the ground with his shot. As long as a pro team feels they can work with him, his athleticism is enough to give him a look.

As long as Jakarr makes a team, I really don't think he cares if he is a 2nd round pick or undrafted at this point.

3. Obekpa is a different story because he has absolutely nothing on the offensive end. I think he leaves as a Junior.

98, I agree with your Jakarr analysis but 2nd round is not what he wants. Should your scenario play out try to picture a front line next year without Sanchez and Sampson when there is not one recruit on the radar worthy of starting next year. And I use the term radar as in we would need radar to actually find a recruit to even be a 6th man at those positions. When you have 3 vacancies, one a starter, and you offer a dozen targets who turn you down, something is seriously wrong with the effort.

 

[southernjohnny2]

Jakarr had plenty of time to refine his outside shot at prep school..Moe was drafted because of his potential upside based on his age..not the same for Sampson.Sampson does show glimpses of potential however there are tons of kids coming out this year way more polished with greater upside..When underclassmen declare they are looking for upside, and based upon age, Jakarr does not have as much upside...he will not be drafted nor do I think he declares, as he will be better suited in college than in the minor leagues...Jakarr has not shown a midrange game that would warrant a draft pick...not in this draft...not when its this deep...no way... I would hope he would be smart enough to stay in school and work towards his degree..Maybe he blows up next year...But a degree is much better than wishful thinking...

 

[SJUalum98]

Jakarr had plenty of time to refine his outside shot at prep school..Moe was drafted because of his potential upside based on his age..not the same for Sampson.Sampson does show glimpses of potential however there are tons of kids coming out this year way more polished with greater upside..When underclassmen declare they are looking for upside, and based upon age, Jakarr does not have as much upside...he will not be drafted nor do I think he declares, as he will be better suited in college than in the minor leagues...Jakarr has not shown a midrange game that would warrant a draft pick...not in this draft...not when its this deep...no way

I guess you haven't paid attention to the early entry list in the past few years.

What does Jakarr's age have to do with anything? He prepped a year. So what? You're acting like he's 25 or something. How old is Mitch McGary? Does your age assessment not apply to him?

Jay Bilas said before the draft that Moe declaring was a mistake. He said the D-League has enough wiry 6'8 athletic guys. Well guess who made the D-League? A prospect who was supposedly better than Moe- Perry Jones.

You can't sit here and say that college is better suited for Jakarr when he was never going to be here for 4 years. He's not a 4-year player and him, his family and Lavin knows this.

A lot of you are overly critical of Jakarr because you're so close to the situation and see every mistake he makes. His hitch is no worse than Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (who still can't shoot BTW).

I think Jakarr can and will be a 2nd round pick. And even if I'm wrong, I think he'll be picked up by a team for the summer league.

This 2014 draft may be deep but things shake themselves out. We're only 4 games into the season. A lot of guys separate themselves during the combine.

Did Moe get recognized as a one-and-done before the Providence game which was in January? And how much did the Duke game do for his stock?

Like I said, Jakarr has all of the athleticism in the world and he does have a decent jumpshot. You guys don't believe that because you overanalyze the crap out of it.

 

[SJUalum98]

this is too funny...none of these kids would be drafted today...forget what draft express says...it is a loaded European class, and loaded with diaper dandies!!! would be the biggest mistake...Sampson has not shown hit can be consistent with his outside shot...Obekpa the same, and Jordan well he hasn't even played

1. Tons of kids declare early whether it's the right thing to do or not. The NBA D-League is becoming more and more of a farm system for players who are happy to get paid and sort of feel like a pro. Tons of talented college players never set foot in an NBA arena. We're only 4 games into the season. I think Jakarr shows flashes this year and declares. He looked like a 2nd round pick against Wisconsin and I think he'll have a few more games like that this year.

Plus, MSG is always littered with pro scouts. Unless Jakarr completely implodes (which I don't think he will), he's a goner whether he gets drafted or not IMO.

2. Jakarr can refine his game in the spring. Moe had a line drive set shot when he was here. When he left school and went down to IMG, his trainers had him putting more arc on the ball and he shot it consistently enough to get through the draft combine and individual workouts. Moe shoots terribly inconsistent now, but who cares. He parlayed his workouts into the 15th pick.

As ugly as it is, Jakarr has a nice midrange shot. And he gets good lift off the ground with his shot. As long as a pro team feels they can work with him, his athleticism is enough to give him a look.

As long as Jakarr makes a team, I really don't think he cares if he is a 2nd round pick or undrafted at this point.

3. Obekpa is a different story because he has absolutely nothing on the offensive end. I think he leaves as a Junior.

98, I agree with your Jakarr analysis but 2nd round is not what he wants. Should your scenario play out try to picture a front line next year without Sanchez and Sampson when there is not one recruit on the radar worthy of starting next year. And I use the term radar as in we would need radar to actually find a recruit to even be a 6th man at those positions. When you have 3 vacancies, one a starter, and you offer a dozen targets who turn you down, something is seriously wrong with the effort.

Jakarr said he doesn't want to be a 2nd round pick last year after he won the award. He tune was a little different on BE Media Day this year.

I think he wants nothing more than to get out of college and be a pro.

A lot of these kids think they can play themselves up the charts. I think he'll do it this year.

Now I don't think he'll shoot even 25% from three. But he'll knock a couple down during the season just to show that he can. He takes 18 footers all game long.

As far as next year goes, word on the street is that Christian Dominque Vince Carter Jones will become a breakout player.

 

[Marillac]

Also, Sampson is 100% going to NBA after this year unless something terrible happens (injury)

nothing is 100% and if wisdom rules out he'll wait another year. He'd have done better in last year's draft than this. Even if he has a great year, another year and his stock will go way up and he won't be trying to compete for scraps in this monster draft.

Agreed. Currently NBAdraft.net has Sampson at #90 and Obepka at #94, and they're usually pretty accurate.

I wouldn't even extend a summer league invite to Sampson at this point...forget a second round pick. It would be a waste of time. He has no perimeter skills to speak of and his body is at least a year away from being ready to do anything in the NBA. He has shown that he cannot handle the ball like a wing, shoot the ball like a wing, that he makes terrible decisions way too often, and he has not proven that he can adquately defend the three. He's not an 18 year old freshman...he's already three years removed from his original high school graudation. Every passing year his ceiling falls lower and lower. CJ Fiar is FAR more skilled and the same size, and Fair is a late second rounder who has fallen in his projections every year.


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/ has no Sampson in their 2014 Mock...not in round 1, not in round 2. In fact, no Johnnies are projected in either draft. Next year, Jordan isn't mentioned.

 

[SJUalum98]

Also, Sampson is 100% going to NBA after this year unless something terrible happens (injury)

nothing is 100% and if wisdom rules out he'll wait another year. He'd have done better in last year's draft than this. Even if he has a great year, another year and his stock will go way up and he won't be trying to compete for scraps in this monster draft.

Agreed. Currently NBAdraft.net has Sampson at #90 and Obepka at #94, and they're usually pretty accurate.

I wouldn't even extend a summer league invite to Sampson at this point...forget a second round pick. It would be a waste of time. He has no perimeter skills to speak of and his body is at least a year away from being ready to do anything in the NBA. He has shown that he cannot handle the ball like a wing, shoot the ball like a wing, that he makes terrible decisions way too often, and he has not proven that he can adquately defend the three. He's not an 18 year old freshman...he's already three years removed from his original high school graudation. Every passing year his ceiling falls lower and lower. CJ Fiar is FAR more skilled and the same size, and Fair is a late second rounder who has fallen in his projections every year.


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/ has no Sampson in their 2014 Mock...not in round 1, not in round 2. In fact, no Johnnies are projected in either draft. Next year, Jordan isn't mentioned.

What is you guys fascination with age?

CJ Fair is a 22 yr old Senior. Jakarr is a 20 yr old Soph. What is your point?

And CJ Fair is a perimeter shooter who would project at SG as a pro. He's not a legit 6'8. MCW was taller than him. CJ is supposed to have a better outside shot at this point in his career. Confused as to why you even choose CJ to compare him to.

And since you did, Jakarr put up 15 & 7 as a freshman. Took CJ 3 years to see those kinds of numbers.

The pessimism on Jakarr here is crazy. For all his lack of skills that you mentioned, he had his best game against a Too 10-caliber team in Wisconsin. Do you think scouts are really going to pull his game tape against Monmouth?

And again, we're 4 games into the season. 4.

Pulling up a mock draft in November is not indicative of whether a guy will get drafted or not. Good barometer but that's about it. CJ Leslie was supposed to be a lock 1st rounder last year. Lottery potential. Went undrafted.

 

[redmaninalbany]

I read this thread while watching the first half of our nail biter with Longwood. ????
We are averaging a point a minute with four left in the first half, down by one to Longwood...
Great shock, we can't hit an outside shot and all the usual dynamcs.
so much for our ship of ready-made pro players. I hope they make it at three or four years, but
our guys better not leave early or they'll be playing, with luck, on one of those second tier Spanish
pro teams we faced...but NBA...With all respect, such optimism based on play the last two years suggests rose-colored vision.

 

[southernjohnny2]

Jakarr will not be invited to a summer league..What exactly does jakarr have an nba skillset at? These scouts are looking for kids that do things well...What does he do well? pass? shoot? play defense? rebound with box out skills? He doesn't do any of it well..someone mentioned CJ leslie, he didn't get drafted in a weak draft, do you think Jakarr is better than he is? There is only two rounds in the draft, and 100 higher rated kids..Only the first round is guaranteed money..Gilchrist does things well, he passes really well, boxes out well..plays defense really well..With all due respect I talk to these guys all the time...Obekpa has a better chance of being drafted, he blocks shots really well..

 

[ManhattAn1]

Rysheed Jordan is tweeting again.

Twitter is supposed to be banned till the end of the season.

Not sure if this is a good sign, anyone have any insight?

 

[SJUalum98]

Wrong account?

 

[ManhattAn1]

R.I.P Dougie @sheedJordan is his account

 

[SJUalum98]

R.I.P Dougie @sheedJordan is his account

If you think he stopped tweeting back in September and just started again just now, I have a bridge to sell you.