Rysheed Jordan

Even without knowing how much influence Keady has on Lavin's decision-making process I wish he had more - particularly in regard to offensive strategy and tactics.
 
for those of you that think that Keady, Lavin, and Carnessecca don't sit down and talk about X's and O's you must be out of your mind.
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So they talk Xs and Os, practice it, but when gametime comes, we play schoolyard basketball? I don't buy it.

If they spoke Xs and Os, we would've seen some type of change in gameplan from November to March.

We didn't.
 
No doubts about their understanding of X's and O's, or of the ability of Keady and Louie to teach X's and O's but...
 
Check his twitter timeline.

He's retweeting Temple fans 10-to-1. They're showing him a lot of love.

You cannot dismiss what Khalif Wyatt did this year. And Jordan was basically at every Temple home game watching him do it. The kid loves Philly to death. SJU probably is better suited for him because Temple will have more roster turnover. But Temple did what we haven't done with our local recruits. Dunphy was at practically every single game Jordan played. That does not go unnoticed.

I go back to Lavin making a statement months ago saying that all would be well if we don't get any '13 recruits. A head coach should never utter those words.

I don't care who is back next year but a recruiter of Lavin's caliber should never whiff on all targets in a calendar year.
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Kyle Anderson showed tons of love to Seton Hall fans, and he also attended games for years. Kyle Anderson also attended two separate Midnight Madness events at Georgetown.

Jordan lives in Philly, so why not go to the games.... Most kids love their city. Not to mention, Corey Fisher were at plenty of St. John's home games. I bet he would've tweeted much love for the Johnnies, if Twitter existed at that particular time.

If Jordan ends up at Temple, then it wouldn't be shocking. But I don't think none of this stuff is very telling, as kids tend to thrive on the attention.

Lastly, Willard was the most visible at Kyle Anderson games. Granted, all of the coaches involved were quite visible in his recruitment, but if a coach had to be chosen for the least visible, then it was Howland. I'd expect Dunphy to take in Jordan's games, similarly to any collegiate coach to attend high school games in their backyard.
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You can't compare this to Kyle. Him popping for UCLA was in the books long before his announcement. A family doesn't just pack up and move across coasts at the drop of a hat. There were much more things going on in Kyle's recruitment beyond attending games.

Does anyone here have a plausible reason why the NY POY Jon Severe is sitting right there at CTK and we didn't go after him? Did you see his cut list? It's laughable.
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Guess what? In the game called recruiting, there are generally things going on beyond attending games. I've heard many, recruiting tales over my time while following recruiting. Some of 'em are probably just 'tales,' where others are more than just hearsay. Sometimes, the truth is stranger than a lie.

I can't explain the Severe situation. You'll have to ask the staff for that reasoning. But I know with one scholarship, and while targeting Jordan, then they must feel confident in landing Jordan. Or, they feel, if they miss out on Jordan, then they can use the scholarship towards a '14 kid.

I saw Severe's cut list. Is his list laughable? I really didn't see any "heavy hitters" on his list other than possibly Pitt. Once you take out the emotional element, then you may see why the staff didn't go after him. I haven't seen Severe, so I can't comment on him.

Who knows!?! Maybe, they'll regret not being a player for him in the end.
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You want to know what I think? As stupid as it sounds, because a kid like Severe isn't cracking anyone's Top 100 list, we ignored him. Nevermind the fact that he just dropped 40 points in a state tourney game. He is in our very own backyard and we basically snubbed our nose at him.

If we miss out on Jordan, fine. We're up against a lot.

But you can't let quality local kids go elsewhere. And that was my point about Dunphy.

Dunphy may never land a recruit of Jordan's caliber again in his lifetime. But he did exactly what he needed to do for one of his state's best players. He went balls out (no Fraschilla) to land him. We don't do that for our local recruits. Sometimes it works as in Obekpa's case. But many times, especially in this social media landscape, it doesn't work.

Obekpa's personality is more hands off. A kid like Jordan on the other hand practically lives on twitter.

You have a gem in your backyard, show him everything he needs to see and if you fail, just tip your hat. Willard did that with Kyle.

With McCullough, we were left there standing with our hands in our pockets as he just so happened to commit right after Boeheim visited a practice of his at Brewster.
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Phil Greene didn't crack any top 100 lists. Derrick Wood and Phillip Nolan barely cracked any of those lists, either. How about Christian Jones?

Your point about Dunphy not letting quality kids go elsewhere also doesn't really fly. First of all, Jordan has yet to commit. Secondly, comparing Dunphy to Jordan and Lavin to Severe are also totally different. Jordan is viewed as a "cant miss" prospect. Severe isn't at this juncture. Severe could be well worth being offered a schlolarship, but obviously the staff felt it would be better served being offered to Jordan rather than Severe. Like I stated before, if they had an additonal schlolarship, then maybe they would've offered Severe.

As, far as McCullough and Syracuse.... Maybe, he always wanted to go to Syracuse. Or, Syracuse had their "hands in their pockets." Who knows?!

Here is a story I do know.... It's about a local kid from several years ago.... Raymond Felton (current Knickerbocker; former UNC star). He's from a small town in South Carolina (Latta). The Gamecocks and Clemson were all over him. Recruiting him at a feverish pitch. Guess what? It didn't matter. He had always wanted to be a Tar Heel. The other schools (and, there were plenty) were wasting their time. Once, UNC offered (I believe during the summer leading up to his senior season in HS).... That was all she wrote.

I don't know if that was McCullough's situation or not. Just stating that it could've been the case. I understand some folks are frustrated, but can we please take the emotional element out of it?
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Where is the emotion?

And Phil Greene has lived up to his ranking or lack thereof. We went after Nolan because we needed size and Obekpa's recruitment was going past the late signing period.

I honestly feel that the staff identifies recruits based on rankings and then go after them. A NY POY should never go unrecruited by SJU, regardless of their ranking. We showed interest in Facey and he chose otherwise. The amount of opportunities we've had to scout Severe and we didn't even give him a look.

Jordan being a "can't miss" prospect is exactly the point. They're swinging for the fences. What exactly has Ish Wainright done this year? But he's ranked.

I'm not saying don't go after highly ranked recruits. I'm saying don't snub your nose at quality local recruits in your own backyard. You seriously think we have a chance with Mudiay, the 2nd ranked recruit in 2014? Again, another home run swing.
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It doesn't matter what Greene is doing nor why we went after Nolan. You made a point why you think we aren't going after Severe, and I made a counterpoint.

Once again, if they identified on rankings, then there wasn't any reason to go after Greene, Wood, Nolan, and Jones. It doesn't fly in the face of facts. You're being contradicting.

Why not "swing for the fence?" Most coaches in high level conferences swing for the fence. Whether, it's all the time or occasionally.... They will swing for the fence. I've given you four other names that wasn't supposedly "fence swingers."

I have no problem with them going after Mudiay. We probably won't land him, but you probably would've said the same when we were initially targeting Gathers. He was a top 35 player in the Deep South, and we initially landed him prior to him reneging. I'm sure they'll have a contingency plan, in case Mudiay doesn't matriculate.
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When we went after Nolan, we had no big on the roster. Same reason we flirted with Rhoomes, Dickerson, etc. We were going after them in case Obekpa went to Cincy. If we had prioritized the, from early on, I'd agree with you. But we didn't. They were fallbacks.

And you have to crawl before you can walk. This team doesn't need a superstar. They need players who can shoot the ball.
 
Even without knowing how much influence Keady has on Lavin's decision-making process I wish he had more - particularly in regard to offensive strategy and tactics.
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If Keady had any inflluence we'd have played man D.
 
I loved Keady as a Coach but I can't help but think he looks at this job as a nice retirement
gift from Lavin. Just not looking to ruffle any feathers or do any serious coaching.
 
When we went after Nolan, we had no big on the roster. Same reason we flirted with Rhoomes, Dickerson, etc. We were going after them in case Obekpa went to Cincy. If we had prioritized the, from early on, I'd agree with you. But we didn't. They were fallbacks.

And you have to crawl before you can walk. This team doesn't need a superstar. They need players who can shoot the ball.
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It doesn't matter when or why we went after him.... The fact remains he was barely mentioned as a top 100 recruit. The fact is the rankings didn't have anything to do with Greene, Nolan, Wood, and Jones.

This team doesn't need a superstar? LOL

C'mon, man! You're smarter than this. You're reaching now. You get top-notch players, if you can get 'em. Period. Any coach worth his salt will tell you as much. There are also superstars who can shoot the ball. They do exist, 'ya know.
 
When we went after Nolan, we had no big on the roster. Same reason we flirted with Rhoomes, Dickerson, etc. We were going after them in case Obekpa went to Cincy. If we had prioritized the, from early on, I'd agree with you. But we didn't. They were fallbacks.

And you have to crawl before you can walk. This team doesn't need a superstar. They need players who can shoot the ball.
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It doesn't matter when or why we went after him.... The fact remains he was barely mentioned as a top 100 recruit. The fact is the rankings didn't have anything to do with Greene, Nolan, Wood, and Jones.

This team doesn't need a superstar? LOL

C'mon, man! You're smarter than this. You're reaching now. You get top-notch players, if you can get 'em. Period. Any coach worth his salt will tell you as much. There are also superstars who can shoot the ball. They do exist, 'ya know.
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Phil Greene was recruited as a backup. Okay, he was unranked and we pursued. Point made.

My question was why did we not pursue Severe? If it came down to a ship situation, we went after Jordan, Lawrence, Wainright, Martin and Facey so it wasn't a numbers game. Why was the state POY literally in our backyard but ignored?

Superstars who can shoot? Like the freshman on Virginia who lit us up?

You know exactly where I'm going with this. If we get Jordan, great. Does he (his type) put us over the hump? Debateable.

When will we start going after players that fit our needs instead of trying to knock it out of the park.
 
Even without knowing how much influence Keady has on Lavin's decision-making process I wish he had more - particularly in regard to offensive strategy and tactics.
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I have every confidence that KEady is totally in the loop, and has all the input and all of Lavin's ear. If he didn't he would be gone. I think we have a huge problem executing from lack of talent, not lack of coaching. At times, there is great ball movement, although its too few and far between. It's almost liek this team freelances better than running a set offense.
 
When we went after Nolan, we had no big on the roster. Same reason we flirted with Rhoomes, Dickerson, etc. We were going after them in case Obekpa went to Cincy. If we had prioritized the, from early on, I'd agree with you. But we didn't. They were fallbacks.

And you have to crawl before you can walk. This team doesn't need a superstar. They need players who can shoot the ball.
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It doesn't matter when or why we went after him.... The fact remains he was barely mentioned as a top 100 recruit. The fact is the rankings didn't have anything to do with Greene, Nolan, Wood, and Jones.

This team doesn't need a superstar? LOL

C'mon, man! You're smarter than this. You're reaching now. You get top-notch players, if you can get 'em. Period. Any coach worth his salt will tell you as much. There are also superstars who can shoot the ball. They do exist, 'ya know.
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Phil Greene was recruited as a backup. Okay, he was unranked and we pursued. Point made.

My question was why did we not pursue Severe? If it came down to a ship situation, we went after Jordan, Lawrence, Wainright, Martin and Facey so it wasn't a numbers game. Why was the state POY literally in our backyard but ignored?

Superstars who can shoot? Like the freshman on Virginia who lit us up?

You know exactly where I'm going with this. If we get Jordan, great. Does he (his type) put us over the hump? Debateable.

When will we start going after players that fit our needs instead of trying to knock it out of the park.
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Obviously, they didn't go after Severe because they felt better about going after Jordan. Any other questions why the staff didn't target Severe should be sent to the staff. It was actually a numbers game. At best, the staff could use 2 scholarships. I guess they were gonna find a way to use an additional scholarship. Obviously, they didn't feel Severe warranted the manuevering of an additional scholarship. I know where you're trying to go, but it's not registering.

I can name quite a few star-like players who can shoot. To say, this team doesn't need a superstar, but shooters, is just cutting off the nose to spite the face. Most coaches will take a star player, if he can get him. Whether, he's a solid shooter or not. You can also get a player that fit needs and also knock it out of the park. The two of 'em doesn't have to be separate.
 
for those of you that think that Keady, Lavin, and Carnessecca don't sit down and talk about X's and O's you must be out of your mind.
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So they talk Xs and Os, practice it, but when gametime comes, we play schoolyard basketball? I don't buy it.

If they spoke Xs and Os, we would've seen some type of change in gameplan from November to March.

We didn't.
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So they teach playground ball in practice; and Dunlap a known taskmaster who insisted that a pro team change the way they approached the game taught playground ball last year? I don't buy it; the SJU situation is broke but the blame falls on them all, coaches and players. The coaches haven't figured out how to get the players to buy in and the players haven't bought in. And it will take both sides to fix it.
 
Theo Rabinowitz ‏@TheoRabinowitz 1h
The coach may change, but the boosters do not ;) // RT @DaveTelep: Rysheed Jordan Blog: UCLA remains on list. Why? How? #stjbb
 
for those of you that think that Keady, Lavin, and Carnessecca don't sit down and talk about X's and O's you must be out of your mind.
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Adding to this, for any player out there, where else do you get 3 great coaches for the price of 1?
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Hey Red, not so fast with considering Lavin a great coach. Not even close but there's still time, I hope.
 
Insiders?

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=3345
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Basically said that UCLA is still a possibility because he wasn't attracted to UCLA because of their coach. Here is a quote from his AAU coach, Kamal Yard..."It wasn’t so much Ben Howland (that attracted him to UCLA) as it was the tradition and culture at UCLA. He thinks they’re going to hire a big-time head coach.”


The article goes on to say that all 3 teams involved have used 3 different recruiting strategies, and there does not appear to be any clear leader at this point.
 
@TheRecruitScoop: Rysheed Jordan has bumped up his college decision date to April 11th. The 2013 Vaux (PA) guard is down to St. John's, Temple & UCLA.
 
@TheRecruitScoop: Rysheed Jordan has bumped up his college decision date to April 11th. The 2013 Vaux (PA) guard is down to St. John's, Temple & UCLA.
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Anyone shocked?
Even money he switches date again?
 
@TheRecruitScoop: Rysheed Jordan has bumped up his college decision date to April 11th. The 2013 Vaux (PA) guard is down to St. John's, Temple & UCLA.
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Anyone shocked?
Even money he switches date again?
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What do you mean? What's the significance?
 
@TheRecruitScoop: Rysheed Jordan has bumped up his college decision date to April 11th. The 2013 Vaux (PA) guard is down to St. John's, Temple & UCLA.
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Anyone shocked?
Even money he switches date again?
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What do you mean? What's the significance?
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No significance
He has said he was committing on a certain date like 6 times this year and changed it
 
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