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 This whole thread has become so "gay"!!

Some of the arguments are as impotent as my impotent Spanish friend Flacido Domingo.

Being around young people a lot (no my name is not Bernie) I hear the term "gay" and "nigga" way too often. I find both offensive but vulgarity is ingrained in our culture as is common now even on prime time T.V.

That said, I would caution wasting too much bandwidth here on discussing the term "gay" between two different generations. I am sure plenty of the older "dudes" here use the term "I'll be a mother f r" but do not intend to chase down the nearest MILF and attack her.
 
Comparing this to an anti-black or anti-semetic chant might be the dumbest idea I have yet to hear. It's not like anyone was yelling at an actual gay person and making fun of their sexuality. Everyone was simply calling out a few clowns using a word that has a completely different slang meaning than what was discussed in the article.
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Dude, its exactly the same thing.

If you yelled at a bunch of white fans and called them a racial slur meant to demean people of color you'd be doing exactly the same thing. The fact that you assume none of those they were targeting the slur at would actually be offended by it isn't only a ridiculous assumption on your part, its also completely irrelevant.

The phrase is meant to belittle and demean a group of people because they are different or in the minority.

Sorry, but that's just not right.
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I'd argue that the term "gay" certainly has become much more of a PC buzz-word these days and The term "gay" has different connotations. As a kid, we used words like "gay" more in a context of that person being a "loser" or "dorky" context, not in the way it is being taken in Lenn's interpretation. I'd argue that the students were using it in the context as one would say "you are dorks" but "U of A" certainly rhymes better with "U of Gay" or whatever was chanted.

Bottom line is that words in the English language are just that. We tend to sensationalize certain buzz words and either escalate their importance or diminish it based on public sentiment. Really, it was a basketball game and the kids fired back with "u of gay", without intent of using it as a jagged instrument of destruction like Lenn is trying to imply.
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C'mon Marcus. You can argue whatever you want. You can say that the dictionary mentions the term "gay" means "happy". Its nonsense.

You use that phrase, to demean someone who isn't gay by labeling them as such because our society has such a negative view of that lifestyle. Its nothing more or less than that.

It was a poor choice of words on the part of SOME of our fans.

People should stop trying to justify it. They should just admit the error in judgement and move on.

Chanting that at a ball game doesnt mean those people are bad people only that they made a poor decision. Since that decision could reflect negatively on the team/school/rest of the fans, it should be pointed out to them that they shouldn't go there in the future.

Time to move on.
 
 As a side note, why do people go to games and get pissy drunk? You can't possibly enjoy the event that you came there to see.
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You must have missed the last decade. Pissy drunk is the only way some of us have managed to get through the Jarvis/Roberts ERROR. :cheer:
 
 As a side note, why do people go to games and get pissy drunk? You can't possibly enjoy the event that you came there to see. I saw one guy alsmost fall flat on his face as he staggered up the stairs. He would have been seriously hurt had he gone down. Another guy had thrown up in his mouth and was running up the stairs to the bathroom, trying to contain it until he got there.

I have abused alcohol quite a bit in my younger days. Fortunately, it never developed into an ongoing problem. However, If I go to a game, I may have a couple of beers but I still want to be able to watch the game.
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I've been going to SJU games for a long time and have never seen anybody so drunk they were throwing up. Maybe I sit in a different section.. Certainly plenty have a few beers and get verbal but from what I hear, it's a fr cry from the way the Garden used to be where not ony did people have drinks but the upper levels couldn't see the court due to cigarette and cigar smoke.
 
 As a side note, why do people go to games and get pissy drunk? You can't possibly enjoy the event that you came there to see. I saw one guy alsmost fall flat on his face as he staggered up the stairs. He would have been seriously hurt had he gone down. Another guy had thrown up in his mouth and was running up the stairs to the bathroom, trying to contain it until he got there.

I have abused alcohol quite a bit in my younger days. Fortunately, it never developed into an ongoing problem. However, If I go to a game, I may have a couple of beers but I still want to be able to watch the game.
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The answer is simple.

9:30 pm start time means a lot more time out socializing before the game :)
 
Comparing this to an anti-black or anti-semetic chant might be the dumbest idea I have yet to hear. It's not like anyone was yelling at an actual gay person and making fun of their sexuality. Everyone was simply calling out a few clowns using a word that has a completely different slang meaning than what was discussed in the article.
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Dude, its exactly the same thing.

If you yelled at a bunch of white fans and called them a racial slur meant to demean people of color you'd be doing exactly the same thing. The fact that you assume none of those they were targeting the slur at would actually be offended by it isn't only a ridiculous assumption on your part, its also completely irrelevant.

The phrase is meant to belittle and demean a group of people because they are different or in the minority.

Sorry, but that's just not right.
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I'd argue that the term "gay" certainly has become much more of a PC buzz-word these days and The term "gay" has different connotations. As a kid, we used words like "gay" more in a context of that person being a "loser" or "dorky" context, not in the way it is being taken in Lenn's interpretation. I'd argue that the students were using it in the context as one would say "you are dorks" but "U of A" certainly rhymes better with "U of Gay" or whatever was chanted.

Bottom line is that words in the English language are just that. We tend to sensationalize certain buzz words and either escalate their importance or diminish it based on public sentiment. Really, it was a basketball game and the kids fired back with "u of gay", without intent of using it as a jagged instrument of destruction like Lenn is trying to imply.
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C'mon Marcus. You can argue whatever you want. You can say that the dictionary mentions the term "gay" means "happy". Its nonsense.

You use that phrase, to demean someone who isn't gay by labeling them as such because our society has such a negative view of that lifestyle. Its nothing more or less than that.

It was a poor choice of words on the part of SOME of our fans.

People should stop trying to justify it. They should just admit the error in judgement and move on.

Chanting that at a ball game doesnt mean those people are bad people only that they made a poor decision. Since that decision could reflect negatively on the team/school/rest of the fans, it should be pointed out to them that they shouldn't go there in the future.

Time to move on.
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Well put, SJUFAN2. There's no excuse for chanting "gay" (or any term that's being used derisively) at an opposing team and their fans. Regardless of the spin someone might want to put on it (it's "fun," etc.), it's flat-out offensive, especially in NYC in the 21st century. And this is not about political correctness; it's about recognizing that stooping to this level reflects negatively not only on the student section but on the university as a whole. The important thing is that these students -- and I applaud their enthusiasm and passionate support of the team -- learn from this and stay on higher ground.  
 
You know, based on this thread, maybe the school was right to change the name of the team from the "Redmen" with a native American mascot, to the Red Storm.

We all sign on to a board named redmen.com, and it doesn't upset our sensibilities. This is despite the fact that white men slaughtered somewhere between 100,000-500,000 native Americans in order to expand westward. Many native American still live in deplorable conditions as a result. No one complains when the occasional "Let's go Redmen" is chanted. Well, of course not. We don't mean to offend native americans when we do so.

I guess our sensibilities are only selectively offended. Those most offended by the "Gay of U" chant weighed in heavily against it, perhaps with good reason. I think it's a good thing if fans refrain from these types of chants, but to be selectively protective against some bias but not others is hypocritical.
 
there was NOTHING that warranted this column by lenn robbins at all. its funny its fun its a crowd, believe me ive heard duke crowds say a lot worse things that u of gay.

lenn robbins must have either not had anything better to right about, or he himself is gay. how is this insulting anyway? i mean im 6'4 but i weigh 280 i am fat. if the crowds starting chanting u of fat i wouldnt care at all its not an insult man, i am fat i know this.

so a gay guy shouldnt be insulted either, hes gay, let the chant. its not like the crowd was saying "were st. johns were a catholic school, and u of gay  should die and go to hell because theyre gay"

i mean come on man... really? its a crowd, and it didnt make "us" look bad, this stupid article made us look bad.

im going to do this and i hope u guys will to, im gonna email lenn robbins and tell him to stop being a little girl
 
You know, based on this thread, maybe the school was right to change the name of the team from the "Redmen" with a native American mascot, to the Red Storm.

We all sign on to a board named redmen.com, and it doesn't upset our sensibilities. This is despite the fact that white men slaughtered somewhere between 100,000-500,000 native Americans in order to expand westward. Many native American still live in deplorable conditions as a result. No one complains when the occasional "Let's go Redmen" is chanted. Well, of course not. We don't mean to offend native americans when we do so.

I guess our sensibilities are only selectively offended. Those most offended by the "Gay of U" chant weighed in heavily against it, perhaps with good reason. I think it's a good thing if fans refrain from these types of chants, but to be selectively protective against some bias but not others is hypocritical.
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this country is too soft and all of a sudden new york is getting soft too

if u were going to change our name all sports teams with names like ours should've been changed, why us? we are the redmen, we were the redmen, thats who st johns is.. THE REDMEN

atlanta braves.. or atlanta scareds?
washington redskins.. or washington whiteskins/blackskins?

cmon man this is sad, especially the seminoles who have a white guy running around dressed like an indian. and WE have to change our name?

the new york yankees should change their name too? a bunch of yankees died during the revolutionary war right? so to honor them we cant have a team named the yankees right?

what a bunch of sensative babies man, seriously not everything needs to be dissected and analyzed and cried about, for God's sake it is sports! not politics!
 
You know, based on this thread, maybe the school was right to change the name of the team from the "Redmen" with a native American mascot, to the Red Storm.

We all sign on to a board named redmen.com, and it doesn't upset our sensibilities. This is despite the fact that white men slaughtered somewhere between 100,000-500,000 native Americans in order to expand westward. Many native American still live in deplorable conditions as a result. No one complains when the occasional "Let's go Redmen" is chanted. Well, of course not. We don't mean to offend native americans when we do so.

I guess our sensibilities are only selectively offended. Those most offended by the "Gay of U" chant weighed in heavily against it, perhaps with good reason. I think it's a good thing if fans refrain from these types of chants, but to be selectively protective against some bias but not others is hypocritical.
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this country is too soft and all of a sudden new york is getting soft too

if u were going to change our name all sports teams with names like ours should've been changed, why us? we are the redmen, we were the redmen, thats who st johns is.. THE REDMEN

atlanta braves.. or atlanta scareds?
washington redskins.. or washington whiteskins/blackskins?

cmon man this is sad, especially the seminoles who have a white guy running around dressed like an indian. and WE have to change our name?

the new york yankees should change their name too? a bunch of yankees died during the revolutionary war right? so to honor them we cant have a team named the yankees right?

what a bunch of sensative babies man, seriously not everything needs to be dissected and analyzed and cried about, for God's sake it is sports! not politics!
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Now this a post I can agree with! Redmen had nothing to do with Indians when first conceived as we all know. Chief Blackjack held an esteemed position on the court at basketball games and was not demeaned in any way. It almost honored our American Indian tradition. I think if we had changed the nickname to the Redmen Black Bears the Redmen part would have stuck. Look at what the clever folks at Mississippi did last year:

"On October 14, 2010, the mascot-selection process ended with the committee submitting "Rebel Black Bear" concept to the university administration. The university administration turned over the concept to the athletic department for further development before official implementation. Regardless of the official on-field mascot fielded by the university, all the university's sports teams will still be referred to as the Rebels. Students are less than enthusiastic about the new mascot." 

BTW, our early opponent William and Mary are nicknamed "The Tribe". I wonder if that has any Native Americans upset in Virginia?
 
Now this a post I can agree with! Redmen had nothing to do with Indians when first conceived as we all know. Chief Blackjack held an esteemed position on the court at basketball games and was not demeaned in any way. It almost honored our American Indian tradition. I think if we had changed the nickname to the Redmen Black Bears the Redmen part would have stuck. Look at what the clever folks at Mississippi did last year:

"On October 14, 2010, the mascot-selection process ended with the committee submitting "Rebel Black Bear" concept to the university administration. The university administration turned over the concept to the athletic department for further development before official implementation. Regardless of the official on-field mascot fielded by the university, all the university's sports teams will still be referred to as the Rebels. Students are less than enthusiastic about the new mascot." 

BTW, our early opponent William and Mary are nicknamed "The Tribe". I wonder if that has any Native Americans upset in Virginia?
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I may not recall correctly, but I don't think the name change occured because of specific pressure from NYC's NA population - indeed they would be better served seeking rescision of the contract where they sold Mahattan for trinkets - it occured because of faux sensitivty on the part of the administration. If that's the case it's unlikely that anything but wholesale surrender would have appeased them.

It's a measure of how good people have it in this country that all the malcontents have to complain about are imagined slights and self inflicted injuries. In this thread the argument is whether hearing someone else called ghey is going to hurt some sensitive's feelings. Two threads over the argument is whether some coddled 20 year old should have his student loan debt forgiven lest he has to give up his Blackberry. Up in Boston the elite children of the 1 percent are occupying Harvard, complaining that they themsleves are instruments of institutional corruption. There are words you can't say - nigardly - because they sound like other words, and even some thoughts are criminalized on the theory that if you murder someone its bad but if you murder someone while thinking some irrational hatred its worse. Instead of all men - sorry, all wo/men - being created equal they're all made equal, because everyone's a victim. Even white men suffer reverse discrimination; soon enough we'll be a minority and eligible for affirmative action. It is in fact all a symptom of civilization dying. As individual liberty and responsibility give way to collective guilt and welfare sooner rather than later the state will cease to exist for the citizen and the citizen will begin to exist for the state. At which point will we all finally be equal, as slaves.
 
I love the enthusiasm and zeal of our students at the game, it's the life-blood of college basketball.


But - if you must be offensive and embarrassing - at least do so in a clever and imaginative way.
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 So if I called Robbins an out of touch douschey writer, it would not be considered clever? :eek:hmy:

In actuality, we all can be in touch with his sentiments, but having gone to MD games for over 20 years, I can assure you - Mr. Robbins should worry about writing good pieces about SJU basketball and the university and not the trash he typically pushes out there. That is offensive to me! If I'm a student and I read his article, my next "creative" chant will be when the band strikes up Rock and Roll Part II - and the student body choruses in, "Dun, dun-dun-dunna-dun, Lenn, You #$%^!"
 
I love the enthusiasm and zeal of our students at the game, it's the life-blood of college basketball.


But - if you must be offensive and embarrassing - at least do so in a clever and imaginative way.
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 So if I called Robbins an out of touch douschey writer, it would not be considered clever? :eek:hmy:

In actuality, we all can be in touch with his sentiments, but having gone to MD games for over 20 years, I can assure you - Mr. Robbins should worry about writing good pieces about SJU basketball and the university and not the trash he typically pushes out there. That is offensive to me! If I'm a student and I read his article, my next "creative" chant will be when the band strikes up Rock and Roll Part II - and the student body choruses in, "Dun, dun-dun-dunna-dun, Lenn, You #$%^!"
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When I was a student Lenn wrote a similar article about the student section. It seems to be a bi-annual thing for him. One student sat first row behind press row and held the article over his head. The student was then ejected from the game and quite possibly banned from CA permanantly. So much for free speech.
 
I love the enthusiasm and zeal of our students at the game, it's the life-blood of college basketball.


But - if you must be offensive and embarrassing - at least do so in a clever and imaginative way.
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So if I called Robbins an out of touch douschey writer, it would not be considered clever? :eek:hmy: ....
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By whom? Me - no.
 
For the record, I was against the name change from Redmen, and agree with the comments here - the change was made without pressure from outside forces. My point is that this thread is about offending sensitivities selectively. I do agree that we'd be better off without certain offensive chants, but the whole topic that spurred the Robbins article would have been considered to mild to write about had it not referenced gender preference.

You know, based on this thread, maybe the school was right to change the name of the team from the "Redmen" with a native American mascot, to the Red Storm.

We all sign on to a board named redmen.com, and it doesn't upset our sensibilities. This is despite the fact that white men slaughtered somewhere between 100,000-500,000 native Americans in order to expand westward. Many native American still live in deplorable conditions as a result. No one complains when the occasional "Let's go Redmen" is chanted. Well, of course not. We don't mean to offend native americans when we do so.

I guess our sensibilities are only selectively offended. Those most offended by the "Gay of U" chant weighed in heavily against it, perhaps with good reason. I think it's a good thing if fans refrain from these types of chants, but to be selectively protective against some bias but not others is hypocritical.
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this country is too soft and all of a sudden new york is getting soft too

if u were going to change our name all sports teams with names like ours should've been changed, why us? we are the redmen, we were the redmen, thats who st johns is.. THE REDMEN

atlanta braves.. or atlanta scareds?
washington redskins.. or washington whiteskins/blackskins?

cmon man this is sad, especially the seminoles who have a white guy running around dressed like an indian. and WE have to change our name?

the new york yankees should change their name too? a bunch of yankees died during the revolutionary war right? so to honor them we cant have a team named the yankees right?

what a bunch of sensative babies man, seriously not everything needs to be dissected and analyzed and cried about, for God's sake it is sports! not politics!
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I love the enthusiasm and zeal of our students at the game, it's the life-blood of college basketball.


But - if you must be offensive and embarrassing - at least do so in a clever and imaginative way.
Click to expand...
 So if I called Robbins an out of touch douschey writer, it would not be considered clever? :eek:hmy:

In actuality, we all can be in touch with his sentiments, but having gone to MD games for over 20 years, I can assure you - Mr. Robbins should worry about writing good pieces about SJU basketball and the university and not the trash he typically pushes out there. That is offensive to me! If I'm a student and I read his article, my next "creative" chant will be when the band strikes up Rock and Roll Part II - and the student body choruses in, "Dun, dun-dun-dunna-dun, Lenn, You #$%^!"
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When I was a student Lenn wrote a similar article about the student section. It seems to be a bi-annual thing for him. One student sat first row behind press row and held the article over his head. The student was then ejected from the game and quite possibly banned from CA permanantly. So much for free speech.
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 I didn't know that story Moose. I do know Lenn is in the top 3 of despised writers on this board. I guess that student should have crumbled up the article in front of him and put it in his pocket - ;)
 
I love the enthusiasm and zeal of our students at the game, it's the life-blood of college basketball.


But - if you must be offensive and embarrassing - at least do so in a clever and imaginative way.
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So if I called Robbins an out of touch douschey writer, it would not be considered clever? :eek:hmy: ....
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By whom? Me - no.
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 You earn my hearty laugh for today - thank you! he he he
 
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