Robbins - Ugliness Oozes from Red Zone

This is no disrespect to our student section, since I see the same faces on tv at every game, and I think you guys, the ones who really come to every game care. Here is my one gripe, and I think it is something that is not the faults of the student posters on this board at all so please don't take it that way, but there is really no harmony in the section and no consistency. Granted, the rest of the fans sit on their hands and don't do anything, and the way MSG is set up, it is really spread out. What I would like to see is behind at least one hoop, those seats just be students and hopefully it gets full like Nova and Gtown. Then there needs to be some more organization. I ran the student section at my hs, who just happened to win the LI championship my senior year bc of my cheering (or they were good), and our home court was impossible to play at. Every time the other team turned the ball over we chanted "You can't do that", on a foul, always did the "you you you you you you, while pointing at the opposing player",rlly loud. Bad ref call "nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts, we got screwed" These might not be great but they were effective, and we always were jumping and yelling on defense. Id like to see consistent Lets go redmen or something. I understand its not the students faults, since a lot of times the rest of the arena doesn't contribute, and the contingency even of student is small due to the garden seating, but guys liek STJ11, you seem dedicated, take it over, make it your own thing, it will be a lot of fun trust me. Just think of something, start yelling it and ppl will follow. I really respect guys like you and jhansboro so don't take it the wrong way, I just want our hmoe court to be the best in the country.
 
This is no disrespect to our student section, since I see the same faces on tv at every game, and I think you guys, the ones who really come to every game care. Here is my one gripe, and I think it is something that is not the faults of the student posters on this board at all so please don't take it that way, but there is really no harmony in the section and no consistency. Granted, the rest of the fans sit on their hands and don't do anything, and the way MSG is set up, it is really spread out. What I would like to see is behind at least one hoop, those seats just be students and hopefully it gets full like Nova and Gtown. Then there needs to be some more organization. I ran the student section at my hs, who just happened to win the LI championship my senior year bc of my cheering (or they were good), and our home court was impossible to play at. Every time the other team turned the ball over we chanted "You can't do that", on a foul, always did the "you you you you you you, while pointing at the opposing player",rlly loud. Bad ref call "nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts, we got screwed" These might not be great but they were effective, and we always were jumping and yelling on defense. Id like to see consistent Lets go redmen or something. I understand its not the students faults, since a lot of times the rest of the arena doesn't contribute, and the contingency even of student is small due to the garden seating, but guys liek STJ11, you seem dedicated, take it over, make it your own thing, it will be a lot of fun trust me. Just think of
something, start yelling it and ppl will follow. I really respect guys like you and jhansboro so don't take it the wrong way, I just want our hmoe court to be the best in the country.
 

Leadership in the student section isnt a problem...jhansonbro has been the primary chant starter for 6 years and does a superb job.
 
I didn't mean to discredit hm in any way. I know its not his fault or yours. Maybe this is the right question to ask, is it always the same students there? I know you and jhansboro are alwasy there, but is it always the same students at every game, or is it always new kids coming and going? Also, since I am not a student, what is it like on campus? Do students talk about the team etc, or is it quiet? 
 
I didn't mean to discredit hm in any way. I know its not his fault or yours. Maybe this is the right question to ask, is it always the same students there? I know you and jhansboro are alwasy there, but is it always the same students at every game, or is it always new kids coming and going? Also, since I am not a student, what is it like on campus? Do students talk about the team etc, or is it quiet? 
 

Keep in mind that for these 2 games the seating is different for everyone including the students I think.

Probably a lot of the same students but at Carnesseca arena they have done a real good job.
 
I agree, when I watch on tv for the CA games it is really loud, although sometimes I have trouble making out what is said. I guess this was just a weird situation because it was at MSG but not SJU home games. Either way, I want our home (MSG) to be our home, not Arizona's or Cuse's or UCONN and that includes the general fanbase. I can't make the Fordham game, but I will be at every MSG game this barring something unforeseen. I am going to try and meet my dad at a CA game this year, although there are only 2 and I am out of town during the Providence game.
 
I don't have the patience to read through all the posts in this thread -- especially those trying to justify or dismiss offensive "gay" chants from the student section for whatever reason, and especially those citing the Bible (please!). What gets me is that it's so -- to borrow a word from my generation -- f----in' "uncool" -- to be shouting anti-gay chants, in 2011 no less, and especially in New York City, which has always been the beacon of tolerance. Not only uncool, not only offensive, not only ignorant, not only (however unwittingly or innocently) hateful, but just downright embarrassing. Where the hell are we, locked into 1940s Alabama? What's next: anti-black and anti-Semitic (as happened at Alumni Hall in the late 1960s) chants, all in the name of "good fun"? The students -- and I thoroughly appreciate and applaud their enthusiasm and vocal support of the team -- aren't "kids" (far too many of the same age have given their lives and limbs serving in the military), they're young adults, and they should know better and take on the responsibility to be held to higher standards.  
 
I don't have the patience to read through all the posts in this thread -- especially those trying to justify or dismiss offensive "gay" chants from the student section for whatever reason, and especially those citing the Bible (please!). What gets me is that it's so -- to borrow a word from my generation -- f----in' "uncool" -- to be shouting anti-gay chants, in 2011 no less, and especially in New York City, which has always been the beacon of tolerance. Not only uncool, not only offensive, not only ignorant, not only (however unwittingly or innocently) hateful, but just downright embarrassing. Where the hell are we, locked into 1940s Alabama? What's next: anti-black and anti-Semitic (as happened at Alumni Hall in the late 1960s) chants, all in the name of "good fun"? The students -- and I thoroughly appreciate and applaud their enthusiasm and vocal support of the team -- aren't "kids" (far too many of the same age have given their lives and limbs serving in the military), they're young adults, and they should know better and take on the responsibility to be held to higher standards.  
 

Comparing this to an anti-black or anti-semetic chant might be the dumbest idea I have yet to hear. It's not like anyone was yelling at an actual gay person and making fun of their sexuality. Everyone was simply calling out a few clowns using a word that has a completely different slang meaning than what was discussed in the article.
 
 When is st johns getting a nambla chapter set up?? Its 2011 for cripes sake...we're supposed to be the beacon of tolerance
 
I don't have the patience to read through all the posts in this thread -- especially those trying to justify or dismiss offensive "gay" chants from the student section for whatever reason, and especially those citing the Bible (please!). What gets me is that it's so -- to borrow a word from my generation -- f----in' "uncool" -- to be shouting anti-gay chants, in 2011 no less, and especially in New York City, which has always been the beacon of tolerance. Not only uncool, not only offensive, not only ignorant, not only (however unwittingly or innocently) hateful, but just downright embarrassing. Where the hell are we, locked into 1940s Alabama? What's next: anti-black and anti-Semitic (as happened at Alumni Hall in the late 1960s) chants, all in the name of "good fun"? The students -- and I thoroughly appreciate and applaud their enthusiasm and vocal support of the team -- aren't "kids" (far too many of the same age have given their lives and limbs serving in the military), they're young adults, and they should know better and take on the responsibility to be held to higher standards.  
 

Comparing this to an anti-black or anti-semetic chant might be the dumbest idea I have yet to hear. It's not like anyone was yelling at an actual gay person and making fun of their sexuality. Everyone was simply calling out a few clowns using a word that has a completely different slang meaning than what was discussed in the article.
 

STJ11, I fully appreciate the much-needed student support of SJU basketball, including yours. It's been dormant for far too long. But the fact is intolerance is intolerance -- whether it's anti-black, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, anti-gay, or whatever -- and whether it's done in "fun," or not really "meant," or not directed at an actual person isn't the point. (And believe me, the idiots who yelled anti-Semitic comments at Alumni Hall years ago thought it was all in "fun.") The point is that these kinds of chants are (however unintended) hateful and flat-out stupid -- and they also reflect negatively on the student body and on the university in general. I'm sure students in the Red Zone can come up with something far more clever than that and other vulgarities that were cited (which aren't clever at all).
 
I don't have the patience to read through all the posts in this thread -- especially those trying to justify or dismiss offensive "gay" chants from the student section for whatever reason, and especially those citing the Bible (please!). What gets me is that it's so -- to borrow a word from my generation -- f----in' "uncool" -- to be shouting anti-gay chants, in 2011 no less, and especially in New York City, which has always been the beacon of tolerance. Not only uncool, not only offensive, not only ignorant, not only (however unwittingly or innocently) hateful, but just downright embarrassing. Where the hell are we, locked into 1940s Alabama? What's next: anti-black and anti-Semitic (as happened at Alumni Hall in the late 1960s) chants, all in the name of "good fun"? The students -- and I thoroughly appreciate and applaud their enthusiasm and vocal support of the team -- aren't "kids" (far too many of the same age have given their lives and limbs serving in the military), they're young adults, and they should know better and take on the responsibility to be held to higher standards.  
 

Comparing this to an anti-black or anti-semetic chant might be the dumbest idea I have yet to hear. It's not like anyone was yelling at an actual gay person and making fun of their sexuality. Everyone was simply calling out a few clowns using a word that has a completely different slang meaning than what was discussed in the article.
  I'm pretty cool with most of the chants and did here that one but you guys are better than that and you could have gay students right in your mist and not know it. They could even be dancing or cheering. Either way that's one that shouldn't make the floor. Just my opinion
 
...I'm actually more offended by the "F--- you" or "Bulls--" chants at referees after a call perceived to be bad.
 

Are you serious?
What do you suggest, we just sit back and sigh and think to ourselves "oh Timmy, you silly boy" or "Jimbo, Jimbo, Jimbo, what are we going to do with you"

Higgens and Burr should have been retired long ago, if not shot for treason first!
 
We, the student section, do need a lot of work. We need to come up with new chants and more clever ones at that. At the same time, if it weren't for the students, not a single person would be cheering in St. John's favor either nights. It's disgusting that non students can't be bothered to be at two different games against ranked opponents.

Every time I step into the Garden as a student, I have to deal with countless drunk, 30-something year old white collar alumni picking fights with me. Never in a million years would there be any noticable number of STJ alumni to serve as a fanbase and we're ALWAYS incredibly outnumbered, yet it's our homecourt. Have fun watching a Fordham home game in December.

It's actually disturbing how few regular people we get to games as a Big East school. We really don't deserve the attention or success we are getting.

I'm not defending the U are Gay chants or Suck My Johnny, we're better than that; but at the same time without that, what is there? A home game for Arizona and a home game for A&M.

Lenn wants to take away student tickets? Just when they're starting to show up? Have fun trying to get anybody to come back. Having the administration fix things is not the answer, let us police ourselves. Otherwise, have fun watching St. John's with 400 STJ fans in the building sitting on their hands. 
 
Before you continue patting yourself on the back for students showing up and making noise, before the team proved itself by ripself off a SERIES of wins last season against ranked teams, the student section was essentially one loyal group of about 20 kids. By and large, the student section was non-existent until Lavin showed up and started winning. When a team stinks, people stay away. We stunk for a very long time. When a team is really good, it's a really cheap entertainment venue for students. Before that, students here complained that $100 was way too expensive for a season ticket. Now there are substantial lines before a CA game for student tickets. As the team gets better, more people will show up.

There are about 2500 season tickets, most of whom have held tickets for a very long time. Many of use cheer, but don't expect an adult to jump up, point at a ref, and shout "Bull----!!". I think essentially the problem with our non-student sections is that its generally an older crowd 40s-60s, and going to be naturally quieter than 20s. But again, these are long term, very loyal fans.

I really doubt that EVERY time you step into the Garden you encounter a drunk 30-something picking fights with you. If you are annoying people around you, I could see you getting into multiple altercations, which may say more about you than the adults engaging you.

The Friday game began at 430. The only adults I know who aren't working at that time are at the OWS protests.



We, the student section, do need a lot of work. We need to come up with new chants and more clever ones at that. At the same time, if it weren't for the students, not a single person would be cheering in St. John's favor either nights. It's disgusting that non students can't be bothered to be at two different games against ranked opponents.

Every time I step into the Garden as a student, I have to deal with countless drunk, 30-something year old white collar alumni picking fights with me. Never in a million years would there be any noticable number of STJ alumni to serve as a fanbase and we're ALWAYS incredibly outnumbered, yet it's our homecourt. Have fun watching a Fordham home game in December.

It's actually disturbing how few regular people we get to games as a Big East school. We really don't deserve the attention or success we are getting.

I'm not defending the U are Gay chants or Suck My Johnny, we're better than that; but at the same time without that, what is there? A home game for Arizona and a home game for A&M.

Lenn wants to take away student tickets? Just when they're starting to show up? Have fun trying to get anybody to come back. Having the administration fix things is not the answer, let us police ourselves. Otherwise, have fun watching St. John's with 400 STJ fans in the building sitting on their hands. 
 
 
 the only thing that pisses me off about this article is now the school is gonna overreact and public safety is undoubtedly gonna come straight to me before the game Tuesday, if they don't come to me at the soccer game tomorrow, and reem me out for a chant I didn't start nor partake in (I didn't care that they chanted it, but the "u of a" chants were embarrassingly loud enough that at that point we were just adding to that noise)

Im on my phone and im tired of having this debate every single season so ill try to just keep this short and most likely wont even look at this thread again. First of all, since most of you didn't even hear the chants, you're taking lennys extreme sensationalism and treating it as gospel. There were 2 groups of arizona fans who began heckling the student section UNPROVOKED before the game even started and didn't stop all game. I would see them in my peripheral staring at us and saying stuff to us in the middle of a play! All these 30 something year old losers cared about was getting drunk and heckling us. I went to security early in the game and told them that this is without a doubt gonna escalate and to tell the arizona fans to knock it off so it doesn't get to that point, and they basically reemed me out and started to already place blame on us (this is before we even chanted anything at them, most of us were just trying to ignore them). Later in the game is when they started heckling us again, pointing and starting the "u of a" chant, at which point about half the students chanted back at this specific group while pointing at them "you are gay" (same thing goes for the suck my johnny chant, where maybe 30% of the students, if that, chanted it). So we didn't even chant "u of gay" like lenny said and we didn't just decide to randomly chant that directed towards the court or something throughout the game like he's trying to imply.

We've had this argument every season since I've been a student so im not gonna get into the moral debate about how offensive the chant is or what the intent of the chant is and whether its right or wrong. But if you think that a vulgar chant from a bunch of college kids at a basketball game is at all indicative of how educated they/we are and is a poor reflection on the student body of this university than you're just as naive and ignorant as you claim the students are for chanting things like that. Any student section in america would/do chant vulgar/offensive things in those situations and I've never once thought that any group of riled up college kids at a basketball game doing so would in any way represent the university or their education. For you people that generalize like this, you all have an open invitation to grab a beer with myself and any of the core students before a game and actually get to know us and you might be surprised to find out that we're not a bunch of classless neanderthals, and that most of us are actually pretty damn smart and a bunch of real cool dudes.

Lastly, for the people who use the same "its unoriginal and dumb, you should be more clever" argument every time and want us to be like the cameron crazies, just get a grip already and get over yourselves, we're not duke, unc, kentucky, etc, and we never will be. We're not a fan boy side show there to entertain you. I happen to think we come up with alot of clever stuff that never even gets mentioned here. The ones who keep making this argument are the ones that would criticize anything we do as not clever enough or whatever. And if you took the chance to get to know us you'd find that the majority of our student core are genuine college basketball/st johns fans who grew up watching this program, not a bunch of bro's wearing sunglasses in the dark who support their school because its the cool thing to do. There are times throughout the game where myself and many others are actually just focused on the game, not trying to think of a cool clever chant for every possession to keep all of you happy. And for the record, we've all spoken already about needing new chants on offense so we don't chant "let's go johnnies" all game and we had several new chants this past week but since there weren't many students (and since none of you showed up) you didn't hear them. And I like to chant defense more often than "ooooooo" because its easier for the rest of the crowd to participate in that and IMO sounds much better if the entire crowd chants it in unison as opposed to the students yelling "ooooo" and the crowd just making noise. But ofcourse the crowd does neither so its a moot point. Its amazing that so many of you are so quick to criticize and apparently have so many better ideas, yet the only time our fans make any noise is for a damn t-shirt toss. Maybe if we can get our crowd to actually stand/yell/chant occassionally with the students i'd take these criticisms more seriously (and this obviously isn't directed at the fans here who do actually show up and make noise). But until then, most of you should be thankful that the team is finally getting very respectable student support because without us the games would sound like a damn morgue.
 
Let me first say that all in all, I agree with Robbins. While I don't believe in getting completely hissy and upset about JOKES, the fact is that there are children killing themselves over the types of things they're hearing (including jokes) from their peers, religious leaders, politicians and now at things like sporting events. I think it doesn't give a school, especially in a place like NYC that thrives off of diversity, a good name.
Huhwhat? During a discussion of exactly this same issue last year you took exactly the opposite position. Then you said that having paid for your ticket it was your right to scream whatever obscentities you wanted, in the presence of whomever you wanted, including children, and that anyone who would attempt to stop you was either a puritan or a fascist. Here you are agreeing with Robbins, who's calling on SJ to impose a speech code. Have you had a change of heart? Or is it merely that you approve of the censorship of others, who say things that you find personally offensive, while reserving to yourself the right to say whatever you like, whenever you like, to whomever you like.

However, Robbins' language and anecdotes in this article are a bit extreme. Comparing a joke by a student section to Laramie, WY (where Matthew Shepard was murdered for being gay) is wayyyyy extreme. His other language is very overdramatic as well (in typical Robbins fashion).
It doesn't surprised me to hear you repeat this debunked, er, fairytale, but Robbins is allegedly a journalist.

"On the November 26, 2004, 20/20, ABC host Elizabeth Vargas ran a report in which a number of figures tied to the [shepherd] case, including the prosecutor, were interviewed, and made a credible case that Shepard was targeted by Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson not because of anti-gay sentiment, but because McKinney was high on methamphetamines, giving him unusual violent tendencies as well as a desire for cash to buy more drugs. Vargas not only found that a meth high can lead to the kind of extreme violence perpetrated against Shepard, but that McKinney had gone on to similarly attack another man, causing a skull fracture, very soon after his attack on Shepard. Additionally, McKinney’s girlfriend and another friend of McKinney’s even claimed that McKinney himself has bisexual tendencies, although McKinney himself denied it.

[...]

Vargas: The prosecutor who prosecuted these crimes says that he never believed it was a hate crime. He believes it was a drug crime. Aaron McKinney, according to Aaron McKinney himself and to several other witnesses, was coming down from a five-day methamphetamine binge. He freely admits he not only used methamphetamine but dealt them, sold them. Five days up with no sleep, strung out on drugs, desperate to buy more, desperate to rob somebody to get money to buy more drugs. This was the motive, according to Aaron McKinney and the other witnesses.

http://goo.gl/ez3Wz
 
We, the student section, do need a lot of work. We need to come up with new chants and more clever ones at that. At the same time, if it weren't for the students, not a single person would be cheering in St. John's favor either nights. It's disgusting that non students can't be bothered to be at two different games against ranked opponents.

Every time I step into the Garden as a student, I have to deal with countless drunk, 30-something year old white collar alumni picking fights with me. Never in a million years would there be any noticable number of STJ alumni to serve as a fanbase and we're ALWAYS incredibly outnumbered, yet it's our homecourt. Have fun watching a Fordham home game in December.

It's actually disturbing how few regular people we get to games as a Big East school. We really don't deserve the attention or success we are getting.

I'm not defending the U are Gay chants or Suck My Johnny, we're better than that; but at the same time without that, what is there? A home game for Arizona and a home game for A&M.

Lenn wants to take away student tickets? Just when they're starting to show up? Have fun trying to get anybody to come back. Having the administration fix things is not the answer, let us police ourselves. Otherwise, have fun watching St. John's with 400 STJ fans in the building sitting on their hands. 
 

Great Post and keep up the good work.
 
 the only thing that pisses me off about this article is now the school is gonna overreact and public safety is undoubtedly gonna come straight to me before the game Tuesday, if they don't come to me at the soccer game tomorrow, and reem me out for a chant I didn't start nor partake in (I didn't care that they chanted it, but the "u of a" chants were embarrassingly loud enough that at that point we were just adding to that noise)

Im on my phone and im tired of having this debate every single season so ill try to just keep this short and most likely wont even look at this thread again. First of all, since most of you didn't even hear the chants, you're taking lennys extreme sensationalism and treating it as gospel. There were 2 groups of arizona fans who began heckling the student section UNPROVOKED before the game even started and didn't stop all game. I would see them in my peripheral staring at us and saying stuff to us in the middle of a play! All these 30 something year old losers cared about was getting drunk and heckling us. I went to security early in the game and told them that this is without a doubt gonna escalate and to tell the arizona fans to knock it off so it doesn't get to that point, and they basically reemed me out and started to already place blame on us (this is before we even chanted anything at them, most of us were just trying to ignore them). Later in the game is when they started heckling us again, pointing and starting the "u of a" chant, at which point about half the students chanted back at this specific group while pointing at them "you are gay" (same thing goes for the suck my johnny chant, where maybe 30% of the students, if that, chanted it). So we didn't even chant "u of gay" like lenny said and we didn't just decide to randomly chant that directed towards the court or something throughout the game like he's trying to imply.

We've had this argument every season since I've been a student so im not gonna get into the moral debate about how offensive the chant is or what the intent of the chant is and whether its right or wrong. But if you think that a vulgar chant from a bunch of college kids at a basketball game is at all indicative of how educated they/we are and is a poor reflection on the student body of this university than you're just as naive and ignorant as you claim the students are for chanting things like that. Any student section in america would/do chant vulgar/offensive things in those situations and I've never once thought that any group of riled up college kids at a basketball game doing so would in any way represent the university or their education. For you people that generalize like this, you all have an open invitation to grab a beer with myself and any of the core students before a game and actually get to know us and you might be surprised to find out that we're not a bunch of classless neanderthals, and that most of us are actually pretty damn smart and a bunch of real cool dudes.

Lastly, for the people who use the same "its unoriginal and dumb, you should be more clever" argument every time and want us to be like the cameron crazies, just get a grip already and get over yourselves, we're not duke, unc, kentucky, etc, and we never will be. We're not a fan boy side show there to entertain you. I happen to think we come up with alot of clever stuff that never even gets mentioned here. The ones who keep making this argument are the ones that would criticize anything we do as not clever enough or whatever. And if you took the chance to get to know us you'd find that the majority of our student core are genuine college basketball/st johns fans who grew up watching this program, not a bunch of bro's wearing sunglasses in the dark who support their school because its the cool thing to do. There are times throughout the game where myself and many others are actually just focused on the game, not trying to think of a cool clever chant for every possession to keep all of you happy. And for the record, we've all spoken already about needing new chants on offense so we don't chant "let's go johnnies" all game and we had several new chants this past week but since there weren't many students (and since none of you showed up) you didn't hear them. And I like to chant defense more often than "ooooooo" because its easier for the rest of the crowd to participate in that and IMO sounds much better if the entire crowd chants it in unison as opposed to the students yelling "ooooo" and the crowd just making noise. But ofcourse the crowd does neither so its a moot point. Its amazing that so many of you are so quick to criticize and apparently have so many better ideas, yet the only time our fans make any noise is for a damn t-shirt toss. Maybe if we can get our crowd to actually stand/yell/chant occassionally with the students i'd take these criticisms more seriously (and this obviously isn't directed at the fans here who do actually show up and make noise). But until then, most of you should be thankful that the team is finally getting very respectable student support because without us the games would sound like a damn morgue.
 


Great post Jason and please keep up the great work.
For gds sake you are at a college bball game and not a wake and you are free to say what you want.
 
Your assertion is ridiculous, and thankfully our students are not expressing the right to yell whatever they want at a game. Many didn't chant "U of Gay" and only a couple yelled "Suck my Johnnies". Admission to a sporting venue doesn't give you the right to abandon your sensibilities and shout whatever you want. Our students are not proclaiming that right either. Given the feedback, I think most realize that the "U of Gay" chant wasn't intended as anything serious, and they probably won't repeat a chant that mocks sexuality in the future.

Using your logic though, a generation ago fans who brought bananas to Georgetown games to mock Patrick Ewing as an ape, held signs that said "Patrick Ewing can't read this" and other thinly veiled racist sentiments were completely within their rights.

I defend the students here because I do not think for a moment they were trying to offend gay and lesbian attendees. I also understand the points that Theo was making, and they make sense too.

We come to games to enjoy basketball and have fun, but not fun at other fan's expense.

[quote="redmannorth" post=8480Great post Jason and please keep up the great work.
For gds sake you are at a college bball game and not a wake and you are free to say what you want.[/quote] 
 
 the only thing that pisses me off about this article is now the school is gonna overreact and public safety is undoubtedly gonna come straight to me before the game Tuesday, if they don't come to me at the soccer game tomorrow, and reem me out for a chant I didn't start nor partake in (I didn't care that they chanted it, but the "u of a" chants were embarrassingly loud enough that at that point we were just adding to that noise).

The UofA chants were driving me crazy also.

Not that it is going to help any I'm going to email Monasch tomorrow defending you. You are easily the best fan we have and it's not even close. The school shouldn't be giving you any cr@p and overall other than 1 chant ( I kind of think the suck my johnnies is funny ) the student section is great and we not only need more and louder well thought out chants but we need more students to make up for some of the comatose fans who refuse to get up and cheep
 
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