Rick’s Targets

[Boo Harvey]

Adding Luis at this point would be a little puzzling. Half our roster can play the 3 and we don’t have a legit backup at the 1, 4, or 5 spots. Our starting 4 at this juncture is also coming off a season-ending injury.

Assuming we get Dingle, we have four capable guards. Jenkins and Dingle can both man the point.

Then we get someone like the Kentucky kid who can give us time at the 4 or the 5. Plenty of room for Luis. I know what Pitino said, but I think it would be challenging to get anybody half decent to come in just to backup Soriano who showed he could play more than 30 minutes a game. Offer a kid minutes at both the 4 and 5 slot and we become much more attractive.

 

[Larry Wright]

And the hits still keep coming! I must say, your posts are entertaining at least. But it is hard not to get whiplash trying to follow your arguments.

Same argument
Not supposed to go by lists which is convenient considering our players are not high on or even on most.

Outside of Alleyne no one saw these kids play. Outside of Jenkins none of the current kids had stats that jumped out at you. Everybody using Soriano as measuring stick but he played at a local school that some of us at least saw a few times and basically averaged a double double there.

Again the point is this may work out ok because of the coach. But it may not. I am over the kids leaving and I have never said this won’t work but none of us can say with any valid argument that it will.

It is a basketball forum and I am just pointing out basketball issues. I am not bashing the kids and not anti mid major just not sure you can be as successful as we want with an all mid major roster even with Pitino.

Now keep taking shots that are not basketball related, though would prefer that one guy stop hitting on me.

 

[Marillac2]

Luis would push Conway and Dunlap way down, not a reason not to get him, he’s the better player. Slazinksi as a 3???

Man you and I are way off. He’s a 4/5, no way he’s getting minutes as a 3.

You think Slazinski can play center? He’s a stretch 4 with legit perimeter skills. He brings the ball up and runs secondary transition. He can actually handle. I think this is the craziest take you’ve had!

 

[Larry Wright]

You wouldn’t believe me if I told you. And I’m sure you wouldn’t question it if it was about a guy I didn’t like.

There’s extensive tape of Luis and umass to be found. Not just his highlights. Full games. Team highlights etc. I’d be willing to bet any amount of money that I’ve watched more tape on both of them than anyone here. And that’s not to pat myself on the back, it’s me saying I’m a loser with way too much time on his hands. And because you asked.

Ok and I only have hilights and stats to go on, but based off that I am afraid I would have to do something I have never done and agree with Marillac on a basketball issue. It does seem that RJ and Taylor appear to be redundant and would at very least limit any minutes the kid would get. Which you know I like Freshman to play if they can.

I have no doubt that you watched film on him, but as much as I enjoy our back and forth we don’t always agree on basketball assessments lol. Which is fine BTW

 

[Marillac2]

I like Alleyne. Calling him our second best player now isn’t crazy at all, but I wouldn’t.

Would like to have one of our 3 guards be able to come off the bench.

Remember both him and Jenkins will need waivers to play.

I want Alleyne playing with two ball-handlers. His game is weird…reminiscent of Paris Horne. Good deep shot, I like him around the basket, but his handle is gross. Anything off more than one dribble is a problem. Let’s get him some handoffs, some kick-outs, skip passes, let him curl off some screens, etc. His shot looks great stepping up off a pass. He will help space the floor.

 

[IDRAFT]

Who knows with the NCAA these days but theoretically Luis has three more years of eligibility and cannot transfer again. That alone makes him hard for a coach to pass up.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Only my opinion but Luis is guy you wouldn’t pass up. He completely changes your flexibility.

He spent time facilitating as point forward at umass. He spent time at the 4. Yes it’s lower level. He’s talented and has 3 years of eligibility.

Dingle has a great handle and have no worry about him handling pressure. Not sure about him facilitating in the half court though. A guy like Luis (and Taylor) can do that some. Makes you much less reliable on a true point guard and allows Alleyne and hopefully Dingle to still play off the ball.

I’m still surprised at how often positions get brought up. It’s some combinations of guards and wings plus a center. Yes you need certain skills and people who handle specific responsibilities. That’s where a versatile guy like Luis really pays off. Dwight Hardy didn’t need a PG when he had DJ to help as a forward. D’lo had Dom.

 

[Marillac2]

Assuming we get Dingle, we have four capable guards. Jenkins and Dingle can both man the point.

Then we get someone like the Kentucky kid who can give us time at the 4 or the 5. Plenty of room for Luis. I know what Pitino said, but I think it would be challenging to get anybody half decent to come in just to backup Soriano who showed he could play more than 30 minutes a game. Offer a kid minutes at both the 4 and 5 slot and we become much more attractive.

I posted something similar on the Ware thread. A 4/5 or 5/4 like Ware would open up room for Luis. Dingle would fill every void we have 1-3.

 

[paultzman]

I posted something similar on the Ware thread. A 4/5 or 5/4 like Ware would open up room for Luis. Dingle would fill every void we have 1-3.

Exactly

 

[Jack Williams]

ive wanted luis badly since we were first announced as being linked to him. hope it happens. It is nice to grab a couple guys who have a few years of eligibility left so we can start to set a foundation for the future past next season.

 

[RedmanMike]

In your case, I know you are a passionate SJU fan for sure. I hit the frustration mark a lot myself w this program. Just ask my wife.

We've all been there... my wife always asks me "why do you aggravate yourself like this?" when I'm watching the Johnnies.

But our coach is Rick Pitino - better days are ahead!

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I want Alleyne playing with two ball-handlers. His game is weird…reminiscent of Paris Horne. Good deep shot, I like him around the basket, but his handle is gross. Anything off more than one dribble is a problem. Let’s get him some handoffs, some kick-outs, skip passes, let him curl off some screens, etc. His shot looks great stepping up off a pass. He will help space the floor.

The two ball handlers he played next to last year were a 6’5 guard and a 6’7 forward. Jackson is unique as hell, but no one was calling him a primary ball handler early.

 

[dk423]

 

[dk423]

I know it’s insensitive but I can’t help but think if Luis comes, someone may go. It doesn’t solve the depth big man piece, yet it’s definitely worth getting him if we can

 

[redmanwest]

Adding Luis at this point would be a little puzzling. Half our roster can play the 3 and we don’t have a legit backup at the 1, 4, or 5 spots. Our starting 4 at this juncture is also coming off a season-ending injury.

I like roster balance, but one of the best St. John's teams we've ever had was a bunch of 6'4"-6'7" guys playing a precursor of positionless basketball

 

[basketballjones]

Same argument
Not supposed to go by lists which is convenient considering our players are not high on or even on most.

Outside of Alleyne no one saw these kids play. Outside of Jenkins none of the current kids had stats that jumped out at you. Everybody using Soriano as measuring stick but he played at a local school that some of us at least saw a few times and basically averaged a double double there.

Again the point is this may work out ok because of the coach. But it may not. I am over the kids leaving and I have never said this won’t work but none of us can say with any valid argument that it will.

It is a basketball forum and I am just pointing out basketball issues. I am not bashing the kids and not anti mid major just not sure you can be as successful as we want with an all mid major roster even with Pitino.

Now keep taking shots that are not basketball related, though would prefer that one guy stop hitting on me.

It will work. The only question is when…..as for ratings by recruiters and the convenience of not going by recruiters rating lists because we’re not currently signing 5 star players, which nobody here does, would you say Posh and Champagnie turned into good players for St. John’s and were certainly high quality Big East talent? Both were 3 star recruits.

 

[Larry Wright]

I like roster balance, but one of the best St. John's teams we've ever had was a bunch of 6'4"-6'7" guys playing a precursor of positionless basketball

Thought can’t bring up anything good about Jarvis era lol

 

[monte]

Same argument
Not supposed to go by lists which is convenient considering our players are not high on or even on most.

Outside of Alleyne no one saw these kids play. Outside of Jenkins none of the current kids had stats that jumped out at you. Everybody using Soriano as measuring stick but he played at a local school that some of us at least saw a few times and basically averaged a double double there.

Again the point is this may work out ok because of the coach. But it may not. I am over the kids leaving and I have never said this won’t work but none of us can say with any valid argument that it will.

It is a basketball forum and I am just pointing out basketball issues. I am not bashing the kids and not anti mid major just not sure you can be as successful as we want with an all mid major roster even with Pitino.

Now keep taking shots that are not basketball related, though would prefer that one guy stop hitting on me.

What a kid did at a mid major is a better measuring stick then what a kid did in high school(with some rare exceptions), JC or anywhere else. In fact it's the closest measuring stick to a high major. Also, this will not be an all-mid major team. Soriano, Alleyne, Taylor, etc are not mid-majors. Dunlap was a high major recruit. And we still have 3 slots to fill.

Anyhow, not knocking you for voicing your opinion, and I'm the last person to have blind faith in a coach, but between Rick and the staff, they know way more about these kids then any of us. So, I'll continue to trust that they are getting the best kids they can based on the NIL money we have, and I'll wait till the season starts to judge.

 

[ejoyce]

I know it’s insensitive but I can’t help but think if Luis comes, someone may go. It doesn’t solve the depth big man piece, yet it’s definitely worth getting him if we can

I'm not trying to be a sh*t stirrer but I was thinking the same thing DK...if we get Dingle & Luis, does Coach have a discussion with Drissa or Keita, knowing Ware & possibly MM are coming or within our grasp. It's a tough call.

 

[bamafan]

Ok all the Luis talk has forced my hand. I see him as a poor man’s Julius Erving. Exciting player which is why I want him with no concern of roster balance or any other such nonsense.