Rick’s Targets

Obviously there are so many variables and this does not mean one is better than the other. Just noting that these two players had similar impacts for their respective teams last year.


Glenn Taylor Jr. (22-23 )
Mins - 30.1
Pts - 11.6
Reb - 3.7
FG% - 43.1
FT% - 80.1
3PT% - 30.8


David Jones (22-23)
Mins - 25.7
Pts - 13.2
Reb - 6.8
FG% - 39.2
FT% - 78.5
3PT% - 29.4

...meh
 
JohnnyFan said:
Obviously there are so many variables and this does not mean one is better than the other. Just noting that these two players had similar impacts for their respective teams last year.


Glenn Taylor Jr. (22-23 )
Mins - 30.1
Pts - 11.6
Reb - 3.7
FG% - 43.1
FT% - 80.1
3PT% - 30.8


David Jones (22-23)
Mins - 25.7
Pts - 13.2
Reb - 6.8
FG% - 39.2
FT% - 78.5
3PT% - 29.4

...meh
Click to expand...
I also think David Jones is a very talented player who languished in Anderson’s system last year. David Jones not all that much different type player except that Taylor much more in control and better ball handler. That said, I think either guy would have done much better under Pitino, though Taylor much more of a team player which probably works better for us moving forward.
 
paultzman said:
A PAC coach told Zach

“The talent is undeniable. He should be good for them. He’s a good fit for Pitino and that style of play.”
Click to expand...
Does this mean that Taylor is coming?
"He should be good for them. He’s a good fit for Pitino and that style of play."
Or does he mean if?
 
MCNPA said:
Good player with excellent fg%, FT% who can also handle the ball and pass. Starter in the PAC-12. Nothing “meh” about landing starting caliber guys like that except that they’re not Mgbako. Need guys like this. Agree some studs would help too, but kid is a good player.
Click to expand...
MCNPA said:
I also think David Jones is a very talented player who languished in Anderson’s system last year. David Jones not all that much different type player except that Taylor much more in control and better ball handler. That said, I think either guy would have done much better under Pitino, though Taylor much more of a team player which probably works better for us moving forward.
Click to expand...
Jones a much better rebounder. Very curious that he wasn’t asked to stay. Agree that if Jones bought into Pitino’s system he would have made a positive impact.

Don’t know anything about Taylor other than his stats and the fact that we need an athletic wing. Seems like he fits the bill.
 
I know Glenn and Noah play at different positions, but personally I think Glenn is more exciting and I don't mind passing/missing on Noah. Glenn is ranked higher on portal lists, is two years younger so has more room to improve, was a starter in a Power league rather than a mid-major, and is at a position we need to fill more. Give me a proven Power starter over a mid-major starter any day.
 
Boo Harvey said:
Jones a much better rebounder. Very curious that he wasn’t asked to stay. Agree that if Jones bought into Pitino’s system he would have made a positive impact.

Don’t know anything about Taylor other than his stats and the fact that we need an athletic wing. Seems like he fits the bill.
Click to expand...
Jones was always out of control and didn’t share the ball well. He was also more of a forward whereas Taylor Junior had a lot more ball handling and backcourt responsibilities than Jones. I’m sure that’s partially why the rebounding difference. Similar size guys but Taylor better with the ball and plays more team ball from what I’ve seen of both. I suppose more analysis would make sense IF he commits to us.
 
Taylor is a high level slasher that saw a pretty big usage bump from his FR to SO seasons on a really bad team. Most of his baskets were unassisted meaning he was forced to create his own shot a lot, shot 55% at the rim and only 25% from the midrange. Was 45th out of all D1 players in FTRate (calculated by 100*FTA/FGA. This measures a player’s ability to get the line relative to how often he attempts to score) and shot 80% from the line.

Hopefully we won't be relied upon to create his own shot much here and will see his efficiency numbers improve while being able to play more in the flow of the offense. Obvious next step for him is to become more of a 3 point shooter (only a touch over 0.5 made 3 pointers per game in his career thus far). If he could pair more accurate 3 point shooting at volume he'd become nearly unguardable.

Also has 2 years of eligibility remaining, a nice deviation from most of our other targets/commits.
 
MCNPA said:
I also think David Jones is a very talented player who languished in Anderson’s system last year. David Jones not all that much different type player except that Taylor much more in control and better ball handler. That said, I think either guy would have done much better under Pitino, though Taylor much more of a team player which probably works better for us moving forward.
Click to expand...
Sorry, Taylor and Jones are not similar at all. Jones is an undersized 4. I called that right off the bat last year: “Looks like Jones will be the next in a long line of combo forwards that live on the perimeter.”

Taylor has legit wing skills. I think he’s a better shooter than his 3 pt fg% would indicate, but I don’t love taking players from teams that lose as bad as Oregon State has the last two years.

Seems like a relatively high ceiling kid.
 
Marillac2 said:
Sorry, Taylor and Jones are not similar at all. Jones is an undersized 4. I called that right off the bat last year: “Looks like Jones will be the next in a long line of combo forwards that live on the perimeter.”

Taylor has legit wing skills. I think he’s a better shooter than his 3 pt fg% would indicate, but I don’t love taking players from teams that lose as bad as Oregon State has the last two years.

Seems like a relatively high ceiling kid.
Click to expand...
I thought I was saying the same thing but I looked back and you’re right. I never complete my entire post. To clarify I meant not that much different size and build-wise but very different players. I did not word that well and I agree totally.

Taylor Jr much more of a wing and with more ball handling responsibilities. Also shares the ball well. There’s an interesting scouting video out there of Taylor’s strengths and weaknesses and I think his weaknesses are minimal and can easily be helped by Pitino’s coaching.
 
Last edited:
JohnnyFan said:
Obviously there are so many variables and this does not mean one is better than the other. Just noting that these two players had similar impacts for their respective teams last year.


Glenn Taylor Jr. (22-23 )
Mins - 30.1
Pts - 11.6
Reb - 3.7
FG% - 43.1
FT% - 80.1
3PT% - 30.8


David Jones (22-23)
Mins - 25.7
Pts - 13.2
Reb - 6.8
FG% - 39.2
FT% - 78.5
3PT% - 29.4

...meh
Click to expand...
Johnny here is one HUGE difference in my mind. All hyperbole included.

-Jones took 13 shots a game in 25
minutes.

- Taylor took 8 shots a game in 30 minutes.
 
JohnnyFan said:
Obviously there are so many variables and this does not mean one is better than the other. Just noting that these two players had similar impacts for their respective teams last year.


Glenn Taylor Jr. (22-23 )
Mins - 30.1
Pts - 11.6
Reb - 3.7
FG% - 43.1
FT% - 80.1
3PT% - 30.8


David Jones (22-23)
Mins - 25.7
Pts - 13.2
Reb - 6.8
FG% - 39.2
FT% - 78.5
3PT% - 29.4

...meh
Click to expand...
Not really a great way to compare, we are very aware of what those numbers don't show (shot selection, BB IQ, team ball mentality).
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Points Per Shot Attempt last year

Glan Taylor - 1.42

Joel - 1.51 PPS
AJ - 1.20
Dylan - 1.17
Posh - 1.12
Pinzon - 1.07
Curbelo - 1.02
Jones - 1.01
Click to expand...
Keep in mind it isn't a shot attempt when you get to the ft line unless you made the shot. While getting fouled is a very good thing because of 5 foul rules, you do lose a possession.

So, in terms of points per possession, guys who get to the line a lot get this stat boosted since they don't get charged for a missed shot when fouled.

Soriano IMO misses far too many shots he should make within 7 sheet of the basket, and takes far too many forced, low percentage shots in the paint when the defender keeps him further away from the hoop.

This is why I believe Rick confidently says Joel has not come close to being the player he will make him. CMA never appeared to call Soriano on this during games (or anyone for that matter)
 
Last edited:
Beasts of the East said:
Keep in mind it isn't a shot attempt when you get to the ft line unless you made the shot. While getting fouled is a very good thing because of 5 foul rules, you do lose a possession.

So, in terms of points per possession, guys who get to the line a lot get this stat boosted since they don't get charged for a missed shot when fouled.
Click to expand...
Correct. And getting to the free throw line is perhaps the best result of an offensive possession. Especially when the guy going hits 80%
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top