Ricardo Gathers, PF - BAYLOR

 I think Polee liked SJU. The fact remains he was recruited over. He didnt know 3 players would not qualify. Unlike Nuri I dont blame him for transferring. Lavin has to go after the best talent available,regardless of where the are from. D LO, Phil, Amir,Gift and Dom dont seem homesick.
 

Polee's pops made a mistake. Polee was getting better. It was a slow process, but his NCAA game was his best. He showed flashes of greatness even though he was certainly raw. He would have gotten tons of run on this team ts year and building a fantastic career here instead of toiling. When kids are lead around by their parents who make these rash decisions, it rarely turns out well. Polee would have been in a great situation sticking it out, whether or not we brought in every kid we sought to bring in. If your kid is a talent, he will rise and scouts from everywhere will see that. The best programs have kids on the bench that are excellent and will get looks in the NBA. It's a mistake to assume that just because a kid doesn't play 40 minutes a game, that he's not getting enough exposure for scouts to figure out that he's good.
 

At the time DP made that decision it was supposedly due to his mother's recent illness from which she supposedly recovered from and hence the NCAA ruling he had to sit a year.
However, to be frank I think he made the right decision for his future last Spring when he saw Harkless and Sampson coming in. What I think irked his dad was the way Lavin was utilizing him. He started the games and was quickly pulled and not utilized for much of the game after starting. It was almost as if he started Polee as a 'courtesy' rather than starting his best and more experienced players. It sent the wrong message and the Polee family killed the messenger.
I cringe when I think of the Polee, Pelle, Lindsey, Gathers, Sampson fiascos. That would be a decent starting five on most college teams but they all failed the loyalty test.
That happens when your program has been in the toilet for ten years.
 
 I think Polee liked SJU. The fact remains he was recruited over. He didnt know 3 players would not qualify. Unlike Nuri I dont blame him for transferring. Lavin has to go after the best talent available,regardless of where the are from. D LO, Phil, Amir,Gift and Dom dont seem homesick.
 

Polee's pops made a mistake. Polee was getting better. It was a slow process, but his NCAA game was his best. He showed flashes of greatness even though he was certainly raw. He would have gotten tons of run on this team ts year and building a fantastic career here instead of toiling. When kids are lead around by their parents who make these rash decisions, it rarely turns out well. Polee would have been in a great situation sticking it out, whether or not we brought in every kid we sought to bring in. If your kid is a talent, he will rise and scouts from everywhere will see that. The best programs have kids on the bench that are excellent and will get looks in the NBA. It's a mistake to assume that just because a kid doesn't play 40 minutes a game, that he's not getting enough exposure for scouts to figure out that he's good.
 

At the time DP made that decision it was supposedly due to his mother's recent illness from which she supposedly recovered from and hence the NCAA ruling he had to sit a year.
However, to be frank I think he made the right decision for his future last Spring when he saw Harkless and Sampson coming in. What I think irked his dad was the way Lavin was utilizing him. He started the games and was quickly pulled and not utilized for much of the game after starting. It was almost as if he started Polee as a 'courtesy' rather than starting his best and more experienced players. It sent the wrong message and the Polee family killed the messenger.
I cringe when I think of the Polee, Pelle, Lindsey, Gathers, Sampson fiascos. That would be a decent starting five on most college teams but they all failed the loyalty test.
That happens when your program has been in the toilet for ten years.
 


Lets not put Sampson in that catagory yet. He is still a strong possibility to be here next september. But I can't wait for the time when, like the freshman we have this year, choose st john's and have no second thoughts. I WANT players that believe in St Johns and want to be here. But I guess flip=flopping doesn't just happen in the political arena.
 
Didn't Austin Rivers pop for FLA only to change his mind. Things happen. Gotta just roll with the punches this is what recruiting is like nowadays. Be happy we have the jobs we have because its a damn tough thing to do if your in a coaches shoes.
 
Didn't Austin Rivers pop for FLA only to change his mind. Things happen. Gotta just roll with the punches this is what recruiting is like nowadays. Be happy we have the jobs we have because its a damn tough thing to do if your in a coaches shoes.
 

Yep! He verballed to Florida during his junior year. Changed his mind and popped for Duke at the end of his senior season.
 
 I have to agree w class of 72 re. Sheppard. Hes a great talent and hope Lavin is working him hard.
 
 I have to agree w class of 72 re. Sheppard. Hes a great talent and hope Lavin is working him hard.
 

Winston Shepard played in the same Houston AAU circuit as D'Angelo Harrison and Jamal Branch. If he cannot close the deal on him it would be a big disappointment. I just hope Lavin has not wasted too much energy on Gathers and Sampson instead of focusing on guys that have been wide open all season.
Hopefully within another year SJ will be in a position to pick and choose players. When a school has a very strong team and only 2 or 3 openings, recruits have to commit earlier if they really are interested and we won't be played like we are now by recruits and their backers. 
 
 I have to agree w class of 72 re. Sheppard. Hes a great talent and hope Lavin is working him hard.
 

Sheppard is a nice player but he is no Ricardo Gathers. We are losing a rebounding machine and enforcer in the paint with the loss of Gathers. Neither Sampson orvShepard can fill that role. Even opens will take a year or so to get acclimated to his position if he comes. What did Looie used to say? Big men come slow?
 
 I have to agree w class of 72 re. Sheppard. Hes a great talent and hope Lavin is working him hard.
 

Sheppard is a nice player but he is no Ricardo Gathers. We are losing a rebounding machine and enforcer in the paint with the loss of Gathers. Neither Sampson orvShepard can fill that role. Even opens will take a year or so to get acclimated to his position if he comes. What did Looie used to say? Big men come slow?
 Gathers is gone. The only thing you can do now is look at the best available bigs, and you cant just narrow it down to 2 players.
 
 I have to agree w class of 72 re. Sheppard. Hes a great talent and hope Lavin is working him hard.
 

Sheppard is a nice player but he is no Ricardo Gathers. We are losing a rebounding machine and enforcer in the paint with the loss of Gathers. Neither Sampson orvShepard can fill that role. Even opens will take a year or so to get acclimated to his position if he comes. What did Looie used to say? Big men come slow?
 

I don't agree that the others can be big rebounders. Both are a bit taller than Gathers. Both are very good athletes. Jakarr is a freak athlete and better leaper than Gathers. No, neither is as strong right now, it both have a bit more height which we need just as bad. We can get somebody else to fill that enforcer role. Obekpa can do that as a shotblocking and rebounding machine. Ricardo was certainly a big loss, but sometimes you're better off without kids that can be a problem due to extraneous "issues". As I said, there's still Sanchez and at least one more big and talented PF that we're involved with.
 
anyone else think recruits might be leery of coming to STJ because they see the 5 freshman playing so muchhhh, and are afraid of playing time right away?  
 
 I have to agree w class of 72 re. Sheppard. Hes a great talent and hope Lavin is working him hard.
 

Sheppard is a nice player but he is no Ricardo Gathers. We are losing a rebounding machine and enforcer in the paint with the loss of Gathers. Neither Sampson orvShepard can fill that role. Even opens will take a year or so to get acclimated to his position if he comes. What did Looie used to say? Big men come slow?
 

I don't agree that the others can be big rebounders. Both are a bit taller than Gathers. Both are very good athletes. Jakarr is a freak athlete and better leaper than Gathers. No, neither is as strong right now, it both have a bit more height which we need just as bad. We can get somebody else to fill that enforcer role. Obekpa can do that as a shotblocking and rebounding machine. Ricardo was certainly a big loss, but sometimes you're better off without kids that can be a problem due to extraneous "issues". As I said, there's still Sanchez and at least one more big and talented PF that we're involved with.
 

Yes, I wanted Gathers badly. He's a big, strong and agile kid. In the long run, a kid like Shepard could have the better upside. For one thing, he's still growing. He could end up being a 6'10" kid when it's all said and done. He seems to have a nice floor game and would be a matchup nightmare, if he ended up being around 6'10". Not to mention, Shepard and Gathers are generally rated fairly evenly when it comes to the rankings.

We still have a very, good chance to finish the recruiting period with a solid group. It's still too early to panic. 
 
i REALLY wanted Gathers. I get it. He is not here so move on but I am a bit lost on this Sheppard kid. If he is such a big time prospect, why isn't the likes of say Florida beating down his door? The independent rankings def seem to agree that this kid is a stud. I just don't get why a kid with those skills has New Mexico/UTEP as the primary option before Coach got involved.  
 
Maybe it's my advanced age kicking in, but I thought I recalled that there was speculation that one reason why Sampson decommitted was due to the verbal given by Gathers, as they would have likely played the same position.

Just wondering if Gathers' verbal to Baylor will help us with Sampson. If we can get Sampson, Obekpa (sp?) and Sheppard or Sanchez, to go along with GG, we should be OK on the front line.

I haven't heard a thing about Pelle in a long time. Last I can recall, rumor had him looking at SDSU. Any update on him? Is he even looking to play college ball next year? IAre we definitely done recruiting him?
 
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