Revamped Big East
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Della9250
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St. John's wil be fine either way.
The Big East as constituted will either replace the teams it has lost to maintain the number of current schools,
OR
the Big East falls apart and the basketball-onlys form their own conference.
No problems should one or the other path get chosen. SJU will still be in an auto-bid league and be with other attractive programs that a strong season would not be looked down upon for an at-large bid.
The Big East as constituted will either replace the teams it has lost to maintain the number of current schools,
OR
the Big East falls apart and the basketball-onlys form their own conference.
No problems should one or the other path get chosen. SJU will still be in an auto-bid league and be with other attractive programs that a strong season would not be looked down upon for an at-large bid.
greatnecker
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I was told two applications were filed today with the SEC and will be announced this week: WVU and A&M.
Class of 72
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Swofford can negotiate all he wants but MSG is booked contractually to the Big East Conference through 2016! Jim Boeheim, Jim Calgoon, Mike Kryzweski will all be retired or dead by then. They have been the face of their programs for a quarter century. The ACC can come to town in 2017 but by then the Circus may be more interesting to New Yorkers than ACC basketball! Especially if the Big East re-groups and St. John's wins a national championship in 2013!
cavalier86
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It might be time for the top 100 Football and basketball schools to break away from the NCAA and form their own body. I have read that this was being discussed before the whole BCS. This way they can have a football play-off and an Basketball tourney.
The whole conference thing has become to ridiculous for words. whose going to the ACC, Big 12, Big East. For me taking a little of the enjoyment out of college sports.
The whole conference thing has become to ridiculous for words. whose going to the ACC, Big 12, Big East. For me taking a little of the enjoyment out of college sports.
let me break this to you gently...bobby knight isn't coming. even if he was commissioner, what would he do...start choking college presidents?
marinatto should be on the next bus out of town. we all agree.
maybe monasch would be a good fit. he was a conference commissioner before...and he did his part turning around this crappy program.
marinatto should be on the next bus out of town. we all agree.
maybe monasch would be a good fit. he was a conference commissioner before...and he did his part turning around this crappy program.
tom in salem
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Finally, another voice of reason.
Della, the poeple in Texas must be aghast at what was once their beloved SWC, huh?
If it really comes down to a dogfight, and I think it may, the BE brings a knife to a gunfight. It is all about money and the two leagues are in different strata there, We, SH, DePaul, Gtown, Nova etc. better break away, quickly and positively and stop being an afterthought to all of the money grabbing.
beast of the east
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Fixing the Big East is complicated. They've had a long time to deal with this issue, and done it unsuccessfully.
I like the premise that something should be done to fight back.
However:
1) What Bob Knight does worst is deal with the media, something essential for the commissioner of the Big East. Also, business doesn't seem tobe his strong suit. On the sidelines, one of the best ever. But his teams have always been his way or the highway. No university would sign up for that arrangement in conference.
2) Moving Big East headquarters to NYC may help. I don't know what it does beyond perception and increased costs, though. After all, who really cares or knows where Big East headquarters are now?
3) All the ACC schools except one voted for the $20 million exit fee. Right now, in the chaos of a possible league collapse, no many Big East schools would tie their own hands, especially if they have a football program.
4) The Big East had years to formulate a strategy to become a competitive football conference. They failed, maybe because of lack of cooperation from the non-football schools.
5) I'm all for a blockade of former Big East schools for a period of time. But really, with all the great rivalries Syracuse has in the Big East basketball, how many fans would want to see that gone, and how many schools would want to give up a guaranteed sizeable gate.
6) How much leverage does the Big East tournament have if the ACC strikes a better deal with MSG?
I like the premise that something should be done to fight back.
However:
1) What Bob Knight does worst is deal with the media, something essential for the commissioner of the Big East. Also, business doesn't seem tobe his strong suit. On the sidelines, one of the best ever. But his teams have always been his way or the highway. No university would sign up for that arrangement in conference.
2) Moving Big East headquarters to NYC may help. I don't know what it does beyond perception and increased costs, though. After all, who really cares or knows where Big East headquarters are now?
3) All the ACC schools except one voted for the $20 million exit fee. Right now, in the chaos of a possible league collapse, no many Big East schools would tie their own hands, especially if they have a football program.
4) The Big East had years to formulate a strategy to become a competitive football conference. They failed, maybe because of lack of cooperation from the non-football schools.
5) I'm all for a blockade of former Big East schools for a period of time. But really, with all the great rivalries Syracuse has in the Big East basketball, how many fans would want to see that gone, and how many schools would want to give up a guaranteed sizeable gate.
6) How much leverage does the Big East tournament have if the ACC strikes a better deal with MSG?
greatnecker
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newsman, you have a good grasp on the gravity of this situation. Your analogy of a glorified A10 is spot on and we all know the TV contract value associated with that league.
SJUhoopNUT
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Weiss article today reporting this.
The athletic directors of St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence, DePaul, Marquette and Notre Dame have scheduled a teleconference Monday to discuss the league's ever-changing status. The move follows the defections of Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC, with the prospect of more losses if the SEC targets West Virginia, the ACC absorbs Connecticut and perhaps Rutgers, and TCU reconsiders its decision to join this BCS conference in 2012.
The athletic directors of St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence, DePaul, Marquette and Notre Dame have scheduled a teleconference Monday to discuss the league's ever-changing status. The move follows the defections of Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC, with the prospect of more losses if the SEC targets West Virginia, the ACC absorbs Connecticut and perhaps Rutgers, and TCU reconsiders its decision to join this BCS conference in 2012.
Class of 72
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Beast of the East writes: "4) The Big East had years to formulate a strategy to become a competitive football conference. They failed, maybe because of lack of cooperation from the non-football schools."
WRONG, wrong, wrong! The basketball schools actually bent over and took it up the tukass! it was the FOOTBALL members that F'd the up the conference! Let me refresh your memory: Miami, VaTech and Boston College bolted YEARS ago and destabilized the football programs. GREED by the football schools is setting all these changes in motion as witnessed by Pitt and Syracuse now bolting with their football $$ dreams to the ACC! The VICTIMS here are the basketball schools that let these foxes into the henhouse. The President of Pitt is the biggest fox and POS in the entire bunch! If I were the presidents and ADs of the basketball schools I would assess the departing schools an early exit fee equivalent to that of the ACC $20 million. Otherwise let those scumbags at Pitt and Syracuse suffer the heckling at the basketball schools for the next 2 F N years and make sure none of the games are scheduled at MSG! If I were Seton Hall I would play them at Walsh!
WRONG, wrong, wrong! The basketball schools actually bent over and took it up the tukass! it was the FOOTBALL members that F'd the up the conference! Let me refresh your memory: Miami, VaTech and Boston College bolted YEARS ago and destabilized the football programs. GREED by the football schools is setting all these changes in motion as witnessed by Pitt and Syracuse now bolting with their football $$ dreams to the ACC! The VICTIMS here are the basketball schools that let these foxes into the henhouse. The President of Pitt is the biggest fox and POS in the entire bunch! If I were the presidents and ADs of the basketball schools I would assess the departing schools an early exit fee equivalent to that of the ACC $20 million. Otherwise let those scumbags at Pitt and Syracuse suffer the heckling at the basketball schools for the next 2 F N years and make sure none of the games are scheduled at MSG! If I were Seton Hall I would play them at Walsh!
I agree with the earlier comments the BE Commissioner is a joke. We need a leader who is a visionary and can develop a strategic plan. I believe the head of Pittsburgh was in charge of the BE executive committee, so no wonder we have not moved forward.
The FB deal with Kansas and the other Big 12 schools seemed to be the only hope of keeping the BE in tact for both FB and BB, but our BE Commissioner is clueless.
I hated to lose BC a few years ago, and now with Syracuse. Ouch!
A strong BE Commissioner and ADs can right our ship, must it must be done quickly. We wasted way too much time doing nothing.
The FB deal with Kansas and the other Big 12 schools seemed to be the only hope of keeping the BE in tact for both FB and BB, but our BE Commissioner is clueless.
I hated to lose BC a few years ago, and now with Syracuse. Ouch!
A strong BE Commissioner and ADs can right our ship, must it must be done quickly. We wasted way too much time doing nothing.
billthetruth
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If a basketball only conference is the end result, St. John's should not shy away from playing the traitors. I would play them all in killer out of conference schedule. I would leverage the NYC market to put together a yearly out of conference schedule of the heavyweights. Keep SJU basketball on the big stage, kind of like a hybrid independent status. League games plus Duke, UCLA, UNC, Syracuse, UCONN, and a Big Ten school on a yearly basis, keeps SJU on ESPN and CBS too. It has worked wonders for Gonzaga year in and year out. SJU gets nothing out of holding grudges against Cuse and UCONN because they are doing what any reasonable football playing school would do in the face of this changing landscape.
I would look very very closely at the Gonzaga model if I were SJU!!!
I would look very very closely at the Gonzaga model if I were SJU!!!
SJUhoopNUT
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Exactly what needs to be done.
There are no traitors any more. The landscape is wide open. Open enrollment if you will. SJU will always have a top notch schedule because of MSG and NYC as well as Steve Lavin. No matter what the Big East looks like in the next few years, we'll be fine methinks.