Revamped Big East

1. Form the Catholic Conference (but don't call it that) and add Xavier and Dayton.

2. Immediately hire a big name commissioner with a connection to the schools.
Wish list: Paul Tagliabue - Gtown, Mike Tranghese - Providence.

3. Immediately begin negotiations for a national TV contract. Several suitors are now out there with NBC all-sports channel being one. We took a chance on ESPN in the early 80s, take one with the NBC start up.

4. Move hq to NYC as suggest by '72

5. Immediately begin negotiations with MSG for an end-of-season tournament.   

6. Attempt to keep Big East name - it's still iconic.
 
right now, there's no enjoyment.

let's see how it plays out. that being said, i have zero confidence in john marinatto...the dick kottite of commissioners.
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Absolutely agree, but what happended to Tagliabue who was helping with TV negotiations. Marinatto will probably be
forced out and be the scape goat for the lack of loyality of his brethren.
 
I think it's a good sign that all seven non-football schools plus Notre Dame are in the teleconference. At the very least, I expect an announcement that they will stick together in a conference known as ... the Big East. The split is here, and I'm actually relieved that all this nonsense will soon be over. The ACC will add two more in response to the Pac-12's imminent addition of Texas, Texas Tech, OU, and OSU.

Goodbye Louisville, TCU, S. Florida, and Cincinnati.

I expect the eight schools to be unanimous in their first invite -- Xavier. After that, cross your fingers that ADs have real input and not school presidents.
 
6. Attempt to keep Big East name - it's still iconic.
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Isn't there a rule where schools can withdraw as a bloc and keep the name? There are eight Catholic schools with no intention of playing football in a conference. Only seven football schools left that haven't officially decided to switch conferences...
 
If the BEC implodes, here is my wish list for a new conference strong enough to compete in the rugged Super Conference world of college sports. This would be deserving of a respectable TV contract.

Fragments of leftover conference realignment, i.e., good teams with no place to go:
KU
KSU
Saint John's
Baylor
Georgetown
Marquette
Villanova
Xavier
Cincinnatti
Memphis
L'ville
 
Please, no SHU or Prov.

Let the fb teams go independent or add service academies for fb only. The KU's of the world won't like it so much but what choice will they have to preserve their stellar bball?
 
its pretty clear the ACC is trying to build a MEGA hoops conference. If they add Uconn and another football school like Rutgers or even Nova, then they are at 16 football schools.

Just a thought but It might be time to consider approaching them along with Georgetown and suggest they add a couple of hoops only schools to the equation.

It gives us stability and them NYC and MSG (if they actually want it).
 
Main Man is exactly right -- Long time posters on this board will recall that I've been calling for the break-up of the Too Big East for many years.

Pitt and Cuse did us a huge favor.

A non-football conference with Catholic schools with similar missions and budgets has always made the most sense for us. I love a nine-team conference with us, Nova, GTown, PC, SHU, DePaul, Marquette, Xavier, and Dayton.
 
:angry: :evil:  It is clear to all that the Big East needs to contract. A gun is to the head of the conference. How low are these guys going to hold out trying to keep it as a Football conference? That will be a conference of also rans they need to get it over with this week and do something radical. Here are my two suggestions.

(1) Re-orient the whole structure of what a conference is emphasizing basketball and merge with the WCC. Make a national conference call it the EAST WEST CONFERENCE and have preliminary 3 day championships in Los Angeles and New York and then a championship weekend in NYC. That conference would look like this:

EAST:
Depaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Notre Dame
Xavier

WEST:
BYU
Gonzaga
LMU
Pepperdine
UofP
St. Marys
SD
USF
Santa Clara

(2) Second option is to expand the conference massively to try to make the Big East Tournament something bigger without the Football Schools. The NCAA does not like that it makes so much money and would like nothing more than getting ride of these piss ant Catholic Schools make them irrelevant. Make sure MSG is on board and dont let them...new conference...

DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Xavier
Dayton
Temple
Notre Dame
University of Detroit
Holy Cross
Fordham
Fairfield
St. Louis

(3) St. Johns says the hell with it and declares its independence in Basketball and focuses on making MSG and St. Johns the marquee showcase for college basketball by playing essentially a pro schedule against all comers. This is probably what is best for St. Johns to be honest. We'd have to radically improve our depth but the chance to play a schedule that is essentially the Top 25 would be appealing from a recruiting and revenue standpoint. We cannot forget that as the only legitimate D1 program in the New York we have an asset that none of the legacy Big East school have...the New York Showcase. It might be time for us to turn our backs on the Providences and Seton Hall's of the world. MSG is the key.
 
Main Man is exactly right -- Long time posters on this board will recall that I've been calling for the break-up of the Too Big East for many years.

Pitt and Cuse did us a huge favor.

A non-football conference with Catholic schools with similar missions and budgets has always made the most sense for us. I love a nine-team conference with us, Nova, GTown, PC, SHU, DePaul, Marquette, Xavier, and Dayton.
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Agreed, but keep Notre Dame.
They add value as a basketball member.
 
Main Man is exactly right -- Long time posters on this board will recall that I've been calling for the break-up of the Too Big East for many years.

Pitt and Cuse did us a huge favor.

A non-football conference with Catholic schools with similar missions and budgets has always made the most sense for us. I love a nine-team conference with us, Nova, GTown, PC, SHU, DePaul, Marquette, Xavier, and Dayton.
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The above scenario is a horrible horrible thought! SJ would go from being in the biggest and best basketball conference in America to a small (smaller than the A-10) provincial Catholic high school league! PC, SHU, DePaul, Marquette and Dayton? Now there is star power for you! The TV contract would go to C-Span! The small minds in Providence killed this conference and you, my friend, are thinking SMALL with your proposed schools! The Big East needed to form its own 16 team super conference with iron-clad exit fees. It failed miserably! With your above list of schools Goodbye MSG! All the games will be at The Carnesecca Mausoleum! Beware of what you wish for!!
 
If you add more football schools, you're just pushing off the inevitable by a few years. And you're Conference USA at best.

If we've learned anything, it's that mediocre football will kill great basketball 24/7/365.
 
I would be thrilled with this type of set-up.

East: St.J, G'town, Nova, SH, Prov, Richmond, Mason
West: Xavier, ND, Marquette, Depaul, St. Louis, Butler, Gonzaga

Gonzaga admittedly is a stretch I know, but why not at least explore the possibility. Also why does no one talk about George Mason? I think they add a lot.
 
Just a thought but It might be time to consider approaching them along with Georgetown and suggest they add a couple of hoops only schools to the equation.
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Quisling.
 
Pittsburgh and Syracuse are already out the door.

UConn and Rutgers may soon follow.

Now comes word from the Orlando Sentinel that Villanova is among the more than 10 schools that applied to join the ACC, which now has 14 schools, but could soon have 16.

The newspaper reported that “Multiple Big East schools applied to join the league, including Villanova.”

Villanova spokesman Mike Sheridan said the school had no comment at this time.
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Wow they better move fast
 
Pittsburgh and Syracuse are already out the door.

UConn and Rutgers may soon follow.

Now comes word from the Orlando Sentinel that Villanova is among the more than 10 schools that applied to join the ACC, which now has 14 schools, but could soon have 16.

The newspaper reported that “Multiple Big East schools applied to join the league, including Villanova.”

Villanova spokesman Mike Sheridan said the school had no comment at this time.
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Wow they better move fast
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Can't see the ACC moving on this. Villanova is too far away from being a BCS-ready football program.
 
Just a thought but It might be time to consider approaching them along with Georgetown and suggest they add a couple of hoops only schools to the equation.
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Quisling.
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Lol...

But think it through...there are very few scenarios where this ends well for our program.

1) if Dan Patrick is right, and I'm not saying he is, when he says the end game here is for the big 4 conferences (Sec, ACC, Pac 12, Big 10) to corner the market on football and then split off from the NCAA then college basketball and march madness are dead.

2) If Dan is wrong and its just a money grab and not a power grab as well, then you have ST Johns and a bunch of other schools looking around for a situation that allows them to stay relevant and in the mix for the big dance that allows them to compete for recruits and pay coaching staffs they need to stay competitive.

3) If we end up in a small catholic only conference with no Nova then it will be impossible to keep MSG for our conference tournament. If that happens, its going to be tough to land recruits and its going to be tough to keep this staff together.

4) The only scenario that affords us ANY stability going forward would be to join the ACC as a hoops only school. Everything else has disaster written all over it.

5) The ACC is clearly going to be the weak sister of the football conferences. its why they are snapping up our best hoops programs and that is why they might be interested in a pair of hoops only schools.


The war is over fun. The BE is dead. This isn't an ideological issue any longer and nobody is going to the gas chamber. Its a choice: Relevance or obscurity. You choose.


And here's one interesting option I've not heard kicked about...All the other schools that will be shafted by this re-alignment form their own governing body and secede from the NCAA. Their primary focus will be hoops and I'd suggest they decide to pay athletes. It will allow them to compete with the ACC for the best hoops recruits which would create a NCAA/NIT scenario all over again.
 
Any team joining the ACC as a basketball only school is an idea that only exists on message boards. It flies in the face of logic, current events, and common sense. To those who proposed the idea, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
But think it through...there are very few scenarios where this ends well for our program.

1) if Dan Patrick is right, and I'm not saying he is, when he says the end game here is for the big 4 conferences (Sec, ACC, Pac 12, Big 10) to corner the market on football and then split off from the NCAA then college basketball and march madness are dead.

2) If Dan is wrong and its just a money grab and not a power grab as well, then you have ST Johns and a bunch of other schools looking around for a situation that allows them to stay relevant and in the mix for the big dance that allows them to compete for recruits and pay coaching staffs they need to stay competitive.

3) If we end up in a small catholic only conference with no Nova then it will be impossible to keep MSG for our conference tournament. If that happens, its going to be tough to land recruits and its going to be tough to keep this staff together.

4) The only scenario that affords us ANY stability going forward would be to join the ACC as a hoops only school. Everything else has disaster written all over it.

5) The ACC is clearly going to be the weak sister of the football conferences. its why they are snapping up our best hoops programs and that is why they might be interested in a pair of hoops only schools.


The war is over fun. The BE is dead. This isn't an ideological issue any longer and nobody is going to the gas chamber. Its a choice: Relevance or obscurity. You choose.


And here's one interesting option I've not heard kicked about...All the other schools that will be shafted by this re-alignment form their own governing body and secede from the NCAA. Their primary focus will be hoops and I'd suggest they decide to pay athletes. It will allow them to compete with the ACC for the best hoops recruits which would create a NCAA/NIT scenario all over again.
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I agree that none of this is good for SJ. But the Patrick scenario overlooks the elephant and the donkey in the room: the commerce clause. The NCAA was invented (more or less) by Teddy Roosevelt to maintain the integrity of amateur athletics. There's no way a federal government that mandates what sort of toilet paper its citizenry may use is going to allow one of its creations to become obsolete. Especially one that's a cash cow for the 4th branch of government. Nearly every college in the US receives massive amounts of federal aid in the form of tax credits and GSL, meaning that Congress ultimately controls college athletics. Not too long ago Senator Boxer (Dimwit, California) threatened congressional oversight over the BCS selection process when Cal was left out of the Rose Bowl. What Patrick is suggesting would I think be viewed more seriously even than that. In my crystal ball I see a newly minted federal Department of Football, complete with its own czar,

Regarding the ACC, why would they include basketball only schools that if the rest of your analysis is correct cannot otherwise survive when they can pick up some weak sister basketball program that comes equipped with football program$ that are at least as awful as DeWk's? Eg Temple, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, Kent State, all of whom football dollars would allow to poach the second tier BB recruits who that would otherwise attend a non football school. Because th ACC isn't "snapping up our best hoops programs," they're snapping up out best hoops programs that have football programs.
 
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