Revamped Big East

 Let me refresh everyone's memory; the BEast bylaws require 80% of the members to approve any school for entry into the conference. Marinatto cannot act on his own.

It was not Marinatto's decision alone to reject the $1Billion contract offer from ESPN- that decision was made by a vote of the conference members. Likewise Marinatto cannot add or bar any team without the approval of the members. Perhaps Pitino knows what would be better for the BEast than the Louisville president but the Louisville president has the vote- not Pitino.
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Just as Boeheim secretly knew leaving the Big East was bad, but Cantor had the vote.
 
with few exceptions, college presidents aren't sports fans. they're money fans. that's their job...to bring money to their schools.

marinetto should have busted his butt to get a great deal...then sold it aggressively to the presidents. it looks as if there was virtually no communication before syracuse and pittsburgh pulled the plug.

you see it happening now. this crap has been going on since at least mid september, and we still don't know for sure who's coming to the conference. san diego state? is that the best he could do? air force...navy...what's the story? basketball hasn't been mentioned once by this guy. don't tell me he's powerless. the acc picked up five big east teams because they were aggressive...the big 12 was supposed to be dead and we were getting kansas...missouri? but now the conference is whole because they were aggressive.

meanwhile, marinetto is still sucking his thumb and hoping no one else leaves.
 
 I believe that over time Syracuse University fans will learn that the ACC was not what it expected.

-- - presently SU has an annual goal of winning the BEast; as a member of the ACC it's goal may become to finish 3d behind Duke & UNC.

- - SU fans focus on sell out basketball games at the Carrier Dome against Duke & UNC but need to be reminded that far, far less attractive games are ahead against less attractive basketball Clemson, Georgia Teck, VaTeck, Florida State, Wake Forest and others.

- - when Boston College & VaTeck left the BEast in 2004' the BEast teams agreed to not schedule those 2 schools for out of conference games to isolate them from northeast exposure. I sincerely hope that the BEast schools similarly refuse to play SU, Pitts & west virginia. SU, being "new York's Team" as it likes to call itself needs St.John's, Villanova, rutgers, Yukon, and other BEast schools than vice versa.
 
 I think Duke and Cuse have both played at the Garden twice already this year. I dont see that changing anytime soon and wouldnt be surprised to see that expand in the coming years.
 
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- The idea that the BE is going to become a super conference in football by adding TCU and some other similarly third rate schools is absurd. It may be that somewhere someone's all het up about watching Rutgers play Boise at 2 AM on ESPN17U but that someone's a fat guy in tattered Ochocinco jersey with crumbs in his beard who hasn't got laid since the Clinton administration. No one outside the BE cares about BE football and no one ever will and it will never be relevant to the national rankings. It's worse than the ACC for god sake. Similarly absurd is the idea that basketball wise replacing Pittsburgh with Central Florida and replacing Jim Boeheim with Matt DOH! makes it everything a wash. Its affiliation with the BE is going to do as much for Central Florida getting real good real fast in baskball as it did for South Florida. Characters like Boeheim are irreplaceable and the conference will be forever dimished by his absence. Here the BE is replacing 3 HOF coaches with 4 nobodies. It could be worse - Uconn could have left as well - but just barely.

- Syracuse will do as well in the ACC as it did in the BE and maybe even better. They'll have 4 tough games a year instead of 10 or 12. If anyone's getting the short end of the stick its DewK - who might end up playing its first round NCAA games in upstate NY instead of NC some year - and NC, since Boeheim is 10 times the coach Roy the loser Williams is with the added bonus that JB is unlikely to burst into tears like a big girl's blouse at the first sign of adversity.

- Like most of Schrewskrenski's proteges Tommy Amaker is an awful coach - although to his credit he has not yet been fired for cheating like so many other former DoOkies. Amaker was lame at Seton Hall and stunk up the joint at Michigan. All you need to know: fifteen years as head coach, one NCAA tournament. He's appalling. He's succeeding at Harvard because he doesn't have to recruit and there's virtually no competition and if he ever returns to real basketball he'll return to sucking.
 
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- The idea that the BE is going to become a super conference in football by adding TCU and some other similarly third rate schools is absurd. It may be that somewhere someone's all het up about watching Rutgers play Boise at 2 AM on ESPN17U but that someone's a fat guy in tattered Ochocinco jersey with crumbs in his beard who hasn't got laid since the Clinton administration. No one outside the BE cares about BE football and no one ever will and it will never be relevant to the national rankings. It's worse than the ACC for god sake. Similarly absurd is the idea that basketball wise replacing Pittsburgh with Central Florida and replacing Jim Boeheim with Matt DOH! makes it everything a wash. Its affiliation with the BE is going to do as much for Central Florida getting real good real fast in baskball as it did for South Florida. Characters like Boeheim are irreplaceable and the conference will be forever dimished by his absence. Here the BE is replacing 3 HOF coaches with 4 nobodies. It could be worse - Uconn could have left as well - but just barely.

- Syracuse will do as well in the ACC as it did in the BE and maybe even better. They'll have 4 tough games a year instead of 10 or 12. If anyone's getting the short end of the stick its DewK - who might end up playing its first round NCAA games in upstate NY instead of NC some year - and NC, since Boeheim is 10 times the coach Roy the loser Williams is with the added bonus that JB is unlikely to burst into tears like a big girl's blouse at the first sign of adversity.

- Like most of Schrewskrenski's proteges Tommy Amaker is an awful coach - although to his credit he has not yet been fired for cheating like so many other former DoOkies. Amaker was lame at Seton Hall and stunk up the joint at Michigan. All you need to know: fifteen years as head coach, one NCAA tournament. He's appalling. He's succeeding at Harvard because he doesn't have to recruit and there's virtually no competition and if he ever returns to real basketball he'll return to sucking.
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I don't think we'll become any kind of super conference. The fact remains though, that this is the way things are. Big East football excites none of us. What this is about is packaging enough football programs together to keep the league marketable with TV networks. It should also help keep the bball league on TV.

Those legendary coaches leaving are certainly irreplaceable. Guys like Boeheim and Huggins though, are not going to be around for very long, whether in the big east or ACC. Syracuse with Boeheim is irreplaceable. Syracuse without him is not the same either though. Jim Calhoun has a year or two left and he will be replaced with drumroll.....Kevin Ollie.

My point was that these schools leaving isn't going to hurt SJU, which is all I care about. They can add a UCF and a SMU and those are two schools we should finish ahead of. There is still plenty of competition in the league and now might be a good time for SJU to rise to the top of the conference. More important than ever for Lavin to get healthy, land some big recruits and get these guys primed to move up in the league.

The bball schools have no say in this anyway. I think temple and Memphis should have been added for all sports. They both play football and arent much worse than quite a few ACC teams. They both have very, very successful bball programs though. I've been in favor of that long before Pitino ever came out and said it. So have many others. It falls on deaf earsm even when Pitino is pushing for it. Better just to concentrate on winning and scheduling top OOC talent at MSG. They are the only aspects we can control. 
 
 Disagree about Amaker. He did a good job at the Hall, was terrible at Michigan but has rebuilt a "never was" Harvard to its first ever ranking.
 
 I believe that over time Syracuse University fans will learn that the ACC was not what it expected.

-- - presently SU has an annual goal of winning the BEast; as a member of the ACC it's goal may become to finish 3d behind Duke & UNC.

- - SU fans focus on sell out basketball games at the Carrier Dome against Duke & UNC but need to be reminded that far, far less attractive games are ahead against less attractive basketball Clemson, Georgia Teck, VaTeck, Florida State, Wake Forest and others.

- - when Boston College & VaTeck left the BEast in 2004' the BEast teams agreed to not schedule those 2 schools for out of conference games to isolate them from northeast exposure. I sincerely hope that the BEast schools similarly refuse to play SU, Pitts & west virginia. SU, being "new York's Team" as it likes to call itself needs St.John's, Villanova, rutgers, Yukon, and other BEast schools than vice versa.
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Cuse fans will find out what BC fans know. There is no enticement with the ACC left overs. In fact they know it now, just talk to any of them and see how happy they are with the ACC move.
 
 Let me refresh everyone's memory; the BEast bylaws require 80% of the members to approve any school for entry into the conference. Marinatto cannot act on his own.

It was not Marinatto's decision alone to reject the $1Billion contract offer from ESPN- that decision was made by a vote of the conference members. Likewise Marinatto cannot add or bar any team without the approval of the members. Perhaps Pitino knows what would be better for the BEast than the Louisville president but the Louisville president has the vote- not Pitino.
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Some coaches are the faces of their universities. Calhoun and Pitino are BE examples. That's why they're paid exorbinant ammounts of money and get away with questionable behaviour, personally and with their programs. Don't you think that if Rick paradeed into the presidents' office and said he wanted Memphis that'd happen if it came to a vote?

To your other point, yes the presidents had the vote on the TV deal but do you honestly believe they made their choice without the input of the coaches? In many cases the coaches had the most influence.
 
 Amaker. He did a good job at the Hall,
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No. Four years:

15-15
15-15
22-10
16-15

32-36 in conference

That's not "good." It's one year away from catastrophic.
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Tommy Amaker is just awful. He succeeds at Hah-vahd only because he's the only coach in that conference who actually "recruits." the other blue-bloods consider that to be beneath them.

Frankly I think Norm was a better coach (and recruiter) than Amaker.
 
 Amaker. He did a good job at the Hall,
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No. Four years:

15-15
15-15
22-10
16-15

32-36 in conference

That's not "good." It's one year away from catastrophic.
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However.......it is a better record than Norm Roberts ever had at SJ.........and thank God.....because if Norm had that record, SJ would have given him a contract extension with a bonus!
I still wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats when I dream of the Roberts dark ages!
 
He succeeds at Hah-vahd only because he's the only coach in that conference who actually "recruits." the other blue-bloods consider that to be beneath them.
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Not true; every Ivy coach I know wants to recruit but lack the financial resources to effectively recruit.

As a condition to his accepting his position Harvard provided Amaker with a much larger budget for recruiting than other Ivies. In addition it has been alleged that Mr. Amaker has much more flexibility in admissions that other Ivy basketball coaches and that he has not complied with the Ivy academic index which is a type of honor code regarding the academics of admitted athletes.

My guess is that Tommy Amaker will likely move from Harvard in another year or two.
 
He succeeds at Hah-vahd only because he's the only coach in that conference who actually "recruits." the other blue-bloods consider that to be beneath them.
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Not true; every Ivy coach I know wants to recruit but lack the financial resources to effectively recruit.

As a condition to his accepting his position Harvard provided Amaker with a much larger budget for recruiting than other Ivies. In addition it has been alleged that Mr. Amaker has much more flexibility in admissions that other Ivy basketball coaches and that he has not complied with the Ivy academic index which is a type of honor code regarding the academics of admitted athletes.

My guess is that Tommy Amaker will likely move from Harvard in another year or two.
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Every "elite" academic school has a different standard for athletes.....especially the California schools like Stanford, Berkley, UCLA but at Harvard the athletes still have to take Harvard courses and pass them so I would venture it is not like admitting Rakeem Christmas at Syracuse and having him major in "communication arts".
 
 "According to sources who were involved in the discussions at two Big East institutions, the colleges have discussed the possibility of a so-called Super Basketball Conference that could seek to add Butler, Temple, Xavier, or others. The sources were unwilling to publicly identify either institution because of the early stage of talks.

“I don’t think they’ve had serious talks about it, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t leave,” said a source close to the league. “They’re going to get there eventually, but someone’s going to have to lead them,” this person said."

http://chronicle.com/blogs/players/...rting-basketball-only-league/29335?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 
As Abe Lincoln once said: " A house divided against itself cannot stand" The goals of the football schools and the basketball only schools will never be aligned. Ultimately it would be best for all to have a basketball only conference. A basketball only super conference would be even better.  
 
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