Revamped Big East
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Disagree totally. Pitt has been good in the Big East for past decade or two, but has done almost nothing in the ncaa's. They best up our league, but at the national level, nobody worries sbout playing Pitt because they dont move once March hits. Temple is only a handful of wins behind Syracuse all-time. Syracuse is the only team in this league that is not replaceable in their current form. When Boeheim leaves, that all changes.
I think both Temple and Memphis are fine replacements for WVU and Pitt in the bball side of things. Temple has a much more rich basketball history than Pitt. Memphis is probably more comparable to the recent success of Pitt. That said, Memphis is currently a place that has great facilities, booming fan support and a nice recent history.
I'll add that I like Temple because they are rooted in the northeast in Philly and are an obvious choice. I think their addition is actually good for Nova and will create a nasty rivalry. Good for both teams recruiting-wise and adds a sub-plot. I think the league, with the moves that were made, has done a good job resolving issues that could have killed the league, both for bball and football.
tom in salem
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As a state resident, I'd much prefer UMASS.
UMass is not a bad choice in the northeast. They really haven't put the dollars nor have the support for their basketball team thiugh. Then again, BC's support for bball isn't all that great. UMass probably would improve their support and committment if they were in a bigger league like the Big East.
You are hallucinating. There is NO ONE who believes Temple is in SU's league. NO ONE.
And Pitt has had more then just a good run. The SIX years prior to Fran Dunphy under Chaney Temple failed to make the NCAA's from the Atlantic 10. And Dunphy is no Spring Chicken either. Where does Temple go after him. And prior to last year Temple had not won a game in the NCAA's in like a decade.
Again the BE should be applauded for making the best of a bad situation but if you think that the BE if given the opportunity would not trade Pitt and SU back for possibly Temple and Memphis you are wrong.
Memphis is decent and Pastner is a good recruiter too but good luck mimicking that run they had under Cal. We all know Cal is a one of a kind coach/recruiter. If you don't think so ask UMASS.
And Pitt has had more then just a good run. The SIX years prior to Fran Dunphy under Chaney Temple failed to make the NCAA's from the Atlantic 10. And Dunphy is no Spring Chicken either. Where does Temple go after him. And prior to last year Temple had not won a game in the NCAA's in like a decade.
Again the BE should be applauded for making the best of a bad situation but if you think that the BE if given the opportunity would not trade Pitt and SU back for possibly Temple and Memphis you are wrong.
Memphis is decent and Pastner is a good recruiter too but good luck mimicking that run they had under Cal. We all know Cal is a one of a kind coach/recruiter. If you don't think so ask UMASS.
Umass isn't a realistic option because football and bball are both small-time. I like them but not realistic. Temple has nice bball history that predates Pitt. Like I said, they are only a few all time wins behind Cuse, and I already said that Cuse isn't replacesble in their current form. I don't feel the same about Pitt. I think trading Temple for Pitt is a wash. I'm looking at bball pedigree, not just current coach. Temple will lure a fine coach after Dunphy, once in a league like the Big East. They know they'll have to compete, and will want to step it up, especially with Nova in their league.
Memphis has fantastic financial resources, and will provide them for basketball. They also have great fan support and potential as a program. From a bball perspective, Memphis and Temple to me are as good as WVU and Pitt.
BOB BARKER
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SYRACUSE WILL REMAIN A MAJOR PROGRAM,AS LONG AS THEY PLAY BEFORE 30000;EVEN AT MANLEY FIELDHOUSE,THEY USED TO DO A JOB ON VISITORS(SOMETIMES THE TEAM,SOMETIMES THE REFS)...THEIR NEW VICTIMS WILL BE IN THE ACC...AND DONT THINK RUTGERS AND UCONN WONT JOIN THEM ASAP...ALSO,NAVY MAY JOIN IN 2014,AFTER GETTING GOVT APPROVAL...BTW,DIDN'T NORTHEASTERN BEAT SJ BADLY THIS YR....JUST AS GOOD AS UMASS
You have no idea if Temple will get a good coach. Dunphy fell into their lap as a Philly native coaching across town at Penn. That does not happen everyday and it is not as good a job as Pitt. Pitt and Temple jobs open right now, there is NO QUESTION that the Pitt job is considered to be better. NONE. Heck Xavier is arguably better then Temple and their coaches (Sean Miller, Thad Matta) move on to BCS jobs when given the opportunity.
But my point is everyone says Syracuse will suffer when Boeheim retires or even if Dixon leaves Pitt. But somehow Temple and others will roll along. I think some people HOPE that will happen and then assert this HOPE as if it is FACT and then fail to apply the same standard to other schools they are now welcoming. I don't do that.
And again you agree SU is irreplaceable.
Temple is a nice fit though if it happens.
Syracuse is irreplaceable because Jim Boeheim is irreplaceable. That's it.... Their football team is horrid and draws like 28k per game or something. Certainly not the envy of BCS football. I'm saying that once Syracuse loses their main draw which is a legendary Jim Boeheim, and they put Mike Hopkins in his spot, things change pretty quickly, and that is 100% what they plan to do.
What I'm saying is that Temple has a fantastic and rich bball history. Teams like Temple will be bolstered by the Big East and likely get a good coach next time around. Syracuse basketball has nowhere to go but down by moving to a conference in a different region and losing a 1000-win head coach.
Memphis bball gets better fan support than Pitt. Trading Temple for WVU is pretty much a wash in both sports. WVU might be a bit ahead in football, but Temple bball will be more than adequate replacement. Memphis replaces Pitt in bball IMO because they have a fantastic arena, fan support and financial support from FedEx. They will be a force in basketball down the line and won't have a problem replacing Pitt.
tom in salem
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I used to do a lot of business in Philly.
It's a huge Temple city.
Their attendance will sky rocket.
Plus their facility is awesome.
It's a huge Temple city.
Their attendance will sky rocket.
Plus their facility is awesome.
RedStormRising
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Temple is a great addition. Imagine a team that can compete in both basketball and football that also geographically makes sense, amazing.
I don't understand why anyone should be focused on 'big time football' lets face it the Big East and the ACC will never have big time football, all they need to do is just enough to keep their AQ status so they can keep that BCS money.
Syracuse leaving the big east in basketball is actually worse for Syracuse than it is for the Big East, especially if Syracuse has to play some of their home games at 'MSG', an arena that doesn't hold as many people and one, which they don't control the parking/concessions on.
Last point, love the temple addition, no worried about the big east's basketball future, just dont ask me to name who's in the conference in 2013.
Memphis attendance ranking is #8 in the NCAA ahead of schools like Kansas, Michigan State, Indiana and others. That should say something. They have monstrous fan support and whether or not they have Pastner, they will hire big regardless. They are a fantastic addition.
Temple has a grasp over Philly bball as Tom said, and will create a real buzz there. They have a nice and pretty new arena which seats over 10K in the Licouras center which is fantastic and just short of "the Pete" in terms of size and style.
Big east will still have 3 teams in the top 11 in NCAA attendance even after Cuse leaves. ACC will have 2, and one of those is Cuse.