Revamped Big East
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the bottom line is west virginia, rutgers, uconn don't add anything to a conference's bottom line. that's why it's hard to see a major conference kicking in millions of its own money to bring them in. west virginia is mostly pittsburgh market. rutgers and uconn new york market. (hint: there is no market for college football outside of notre dame in new york). villanova wants the acc??? so it can be another duke footballwise? yes, the acc would pick up garbage football schools like pittsburgh and syracuse. even virginia tech is outside the top ten. louisville and cincinnati will never be perennial top ten teams. usf is a school with potential, but it has to compete with miami, florida state and florida for recruits. limited potential.
the big east has a few choices, as i see it. first of all, to do nothing is to perish into a temporarily glorified atlantic 10.
it can bring in the remainder of the big 12 schools...kansas, kansas state, missouri, baylor, iowa state and maybe temple and memphis for example and form a 14 team football conference that would still be part of the big east. these should come with draconian buyouts so we don't have the constant threat of teams leaving.
it can do that and ALSO bring in ten basketball "only" (most have division 1AA football) schools from the following:
xavier (high quality program)
old dominion
vcu
richmond
unc charlotte (the above four already play good ball and are in the heart of the acc)
duquesne (to make up for pittsburgh)
st bonaventure (to make up for syracuse)
umass (to enhance new england/boston market)
st louis
butler
dayton
that's a 32 team super basketball conference. four divisions...north, south, east and west. you get home and home in your own division plus some games out of division. big east championship tournament split between barclays center and msg. this would make travel less expensive for non basketball teams that would predominantly play in their own divisions.
the television possibilities are better than what any other conference would be able to offer.
thoughts???
the big east has a few choices, as i see it. first of all, to do nothing is to perish into a temporarily glorified atlantic 10.
it can bring in the remainder of the big 12 schools...kansas, kansas state, missouri, baylor, iowa state and maybe temple and memphis for example and form a 14 team football conference that would still be part of the big east. these should come with draconian buyouts so we don't have the constant threat of teams leaving.
it can do that and ALSO bring in ten basketball "only" (most have division 1AA football) schools from the following:
xavier (high quality program)
old dominion
vcu
richmond
unc charlotte (the above four already play good ball and are in the heart of the acc)
duquesne (to make up for pittsburgh)
st bonaventure (to make up for syracuse)
umass (to enhance new england/boston market)
st louis
butler
dayton
that's a 32 team super basketball conference. four divisions...north, south, east and west. you get home and home in your own division plus some games out of division. big east championship tournament split between barclays center and msg. this would make travel less expensive for non basketball teams that would predominantly play in their own divisions.
the television possibilities are better than what any other conference would be able to offer.
thoughts???
redmen4life
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not sure if this was posted but WVU has been rejected entry into ACC and SEC
bball purist
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I heard there may be a fight for the ACC name. Apparently, many years ago, during the 40s the heyday of the NIT in NYC, it is believed that one school trademarked ACC and was merely licensing it to the Atlantic coast Conference. And thus, the All Catholic Conference name was put on hold - coming soon...
A 32-team league with divisions? Sounds like the old ECAC. No thanks.
The bball schools will never align themselves with another D1 or D1AA football school again and rightfully so. The 1AA schools always have the possibility of moving up and the bball schools want none of that. Good lord, look at Nova's pipe dream to get into the ACC.
And a lot of the schools you're mentioning don't bring anything to the table. Duquense and St. Bonaventure have terrible facilities and weak fan bases. Some are also mentioning VCU and George Mason. Outside of their two miracle runs, has anyone even heard of these two schools?
Be selective. Take the schools that win consistently, share the same vision and have the foundation to handle big time hoops. That's definitely Xavier, possibly Dayton or Butler or St. Louis.
When the dust clears, I think the only unabsorbed teams left will be Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, South Florida, and TCU (who really got shafted on their dreams).
Conference USA could add four to go to 16, and I think the Mountain West needs three teams to get to 12.
Some pride will have to be swallowed, unless one or more of these schools wants to go independent or cut football and join the future basketball-only Big East.
Conference USA could add four to go to 16, and I think the Mountain West needs three teams to get to 12.
Some pride will have to be swallowed, unless one or more of these schools wants to go independent or cut football and join the future basketball-only Big East.
jrhoops1949
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To many teams in the same regions. Game times would overlap. When your done splitting the pot, you go home with a nickel. How would the other sports fit in? Right now the schools without football, plus Xavier and Butler would form a nice tight group hitting top markets. Why are more then 9 teams needed in hoops conference? If Nova jumps you might want another team from Philly. Why am I hearing about teams like Fordham, R.I., Bonnies. I'm thinking of something close to what we had in BE hoops.
I think the future of the big east is still likely I. A merged league. Schools like WVU and Cincy aren't being accepted by the ACC nor sec, There still has to be room for leagues out there who don't compete amongst the top 4 super conferences. My head is spinning and I don't know where to go from here. I actually think a few teams might even drop football in the evolving landscape, because if you're not in one of the "super conferences", cost of the programs might be more than revenues. Will be interesting for sure. No idea what it means for us, but we need to be in a strong bball league. We'll always get a tonmof OOC opponents whomwant games at MSG. Just hope we don't schedule Syracuse nor a pitt.
tom in salem
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Academics?
This is the SEC.
Have you met Joe Namath?
the ecac was a bunch of independents that got sent to the far reaches of the country during tournament time. that's why the big east was formed. i don't like the bullying of the football schools...but they'd be outnumbered. the high cost of leaving that the acc built in would be a disincentive to continue what's happening today. unfortunately having non football schools only would morph any league into second rateville. it's only a matter of time.
four divisions with four division championships would be more exciting than what we had.
a cyo league as some want would be like looking for the rainbow in the golden shower.