Realistic View of 2019 Recruiting

[quote="fordham96" post=294013][quote="Chicago Days" post=294011][quote="Beast of the East" post=294000][quote="fordham96" post=293996]OMG did someone say beating a 5-13 Georgetown team in the BE Tourney is comparable to making the NIT. There is no way that is a serious comment. No way.

So by definition since Lavin's last team lost to Providence in the BET and then San Diego St in the NCAA's last year's team was comparable to that team because get ready for it folks, they beat a 5-13 Georgetown team in the play in round of their own conference Tourney.

And evidently that is a serious poster.[/quote]

Of course you can't take that seriously. But what you can't deny is that last season's undermanned team played competitively nearly the entire schedule, never gaveup, and learned how to win after losing 2nd best player with an already thin rotation,

They should have and could have beaten Georgetown 3 times, but it was still an accomplishment to finally prevail over them in the BET.[/quote]

Very true, Beast. It was an agonizing and frustrating year--because it could've been much more. Losing LoVett was monumental, but the team--as undermanned as it was--did not quit. Three - four games could've gone our way.
Hopefully, a very good sign that Mullin's teams do not quit--and next year, very deep in talent, watch out.
Should be a very exciting season in a conference that doesn't look all that 'down' to me.
Nova is still Nova and some teams like Xavier and the Hall may have lost some talent, but others like us and Marquette have reloaded, and Providence and Butler still look tough.[/quote]


No I dont give him points for that either in terms of competitiveness. That works both ways.

Look at their 4 wins. EASILY could have lost 3 of them. Easily. Butler choked the game away at Carnesecca. DePaul had a lead late before Ponds got hot. I thought they outplayed Nova but still that was a 1 point game with less than a minute.

The only league game they won last year where you can argue they clearly outplayed and felt comfortable with a minute was Marquette at home. The fact is they were closer to being 1-17 then say 9-9. So 4-14 was about right.

The year before I have stated this a dozen times they finished 7-11. Look at the 11 losses, they were totally NON competitive in all of them. I believe they trailed at halftime in everyone of those games and trailed by double digits in the second half in EVERY loss. Meanwhile a couple of their wins were very tight. Could have finished 5-13 easily.

The fact is his 12-42 League record could actually be a lot worse...[/quote]

I agree Fordham, that we could’ve been 1-17 last year instead of 4-14–both dismal—but the spectrum swings the other way to for a team that didn’t quit.
We could’ve been anywhere from 7-11 to 8-10 to a ‘magical’ 9-9 as well.
The point I was trying to make is the team weathered that horrific losing streak and never quit, so I respect that piece of a lousy and frustrating season.
 
[quote="Eric" post=294016]We are poised to have a very nice year this year....can't stand this negativity all the time over and over. Seriously?? Just look forward to this year and then bitch and complain IF we don't have a good season and IF we can't recruit to make most on here happy. To keep beating it over our heads serves absolutely no purpose except to negatively spin our team to the world. and of course the players read these sites so don't tell me it might not influence them at all. Great recruiting tool against us. I get we all have opinions. But be a little smarter sometimes in how you bash us.[/quote]

No one thinks we'll be bad next season. The problem is we stand to lose our top four guys, and there are no replacements. I've think I've posted that I believe we win 26+ games next season. Most teams that win that many games build upon it the following season. We don't even have a Marco Baldi coming in after a great season.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=294018][quote="Eric" post=294016]We are poised to have a very nice year this year....can't stand this negativity all the time over and over. Seriously?? Just look forward to this year and then bitch and complain IF we don't have a good season and IF we can't recruit to make most on here happy. To keep beating it over our heads serves absolutely no purpose except to negatively spin our team to the world. and of course the players read these sites so don't tell me it might not influence them at all. Great recruiting tool against us. I get we all have opinions. But be a little smarter sometimes in how you bash us.[/quote]

No one thinks we'll be bad next season. The problem is we stand to lose our top four guys, and there are no replacements. I've think I've posted that I believe we win 26+ games next season. Most teams that win that many games build upon it the following season. We don't even have a Marco Baldi coming in after a great season.[/quote]

I get the concern over no 2019 guys yet. But its not like we aren't involved. Some high 5 star. Some 3-4. We seem to always be a late signing destination but people just complain so much about it. That's who we are right now. A later destination. People also complain if we are listed in a 5 stars top 4 and we have no chance so they say and when we get dropped from others list. Cant win either way
 
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[quote="Eric" post=294019][quote="L J S A" post=294018][quote="Eric" post=294016]We are poised to have a very nice year this year....can't stand this negativity all the time over and over. Seriously?? Just look forward to this year and then bitch and complain IF we don't have a good season and IF we can't recruit to make most on here happy. To keep beating it over our heads serves absolutely no purpose except to negatively spin our team to the world. and of course the players read these sites so don't tell me it might not influence them at all. Great recruiting tool against us. I get we all have opinions. But be a little smarter sometimes in how you bash us.[/quote]

No one thinks we'll be bad next season. The problem is we stand to lose our top four guys, and there are no replacements. I've think I've posted that I believe we win 26+ games next season. Most teams that win that many games build upon it the following season. We don't even have a Marco Baldi coming in after a great season.[/quote]

I get the concern over no 2019 guys yet. But its not like we aren't involved. Some high 5 star. Some 3-4. We seem to always be a late signing destination but people just complain so much about it. That's who we are right now. A later destination. People also complain if we are listed in a 5 stars top 4 and we have no chance so they say and when we get dropped from others list. Cant win either way[/quote]

Ideally we will only lose Shamorie and Marvin next year. We will have plenty of guards. Yet not a player of Slick's natural talent. Marvin can be replaced if we get a Precious or Aiden or even a solid Juco. We need to start getting BIGS like Kofi to get to the next level. Winning next season will change the dynamics of recruiting but let's win first.;)
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=293996]OMG did someone say beating a 5-13 Georgetown team in the BE Tourney is comparable to making the NIT. There is no way that is a serious comment. No way.

So by definition since Lavin's last team lost to Providence in the BET and then San Diego St in the NCAA's last year's team was comparable to that team because get ready for it folks, they beat a 5-13 Georgetown team in the play in round of their own conference Tourney.

And evidently that is a serious poster.[/quote]

Each team finished in the mid 90’s RPI. They had comparable disappointmenting years. I’m sure not many here we’re impressed with the Robert Morris NIT debacle in 14 nor the dysfunction of the end of the season that final NCAA Year.

We’ll see where Mullin takes his program from his third or second season to be fair about it.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=294013]I have stated this a dozen times they finished 7-11. .[/quote]

And every time you state it it becomes more interesting and compelling. The first 11 times I was like, eh, whatever, but then when you said the same thing the 12th time the light bulb went on. Hopefully you repeat yourself a 13th time for the really slow ones.
 
LJSA wrote: No one thinks we'll be bad next season. The problem is we stand to lose our top four guys, and there are no replacements. I've think I've posted that I believe we win 26+ games next season. Most teams that win that many games build upon it the following season. We don't even have a Marco Baldi coming in after a great season.


I'd put it this way. We stand to lose 3 out of our top 4 players (to assume we are going to lose Simon is a bit pessimistic, no reason he doesn't come back after a successful 2018-2019 season) and have as of this moment only a couple of sit-out transfers to replace them. Imo, if we get two top 100 2019 recruits to supplement the incoming transfers and returning players, we will be fine. We'll see.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=294013][quote="Chicago Days" post=294011][quote="Beast of the East" post=294000][quote="fordham96" post=293996]OMG did someone say beating a 5-13 Georgetown team in the BE Tourney is comparable to making the NIT. There is no way that is a serious comment. No way.

So by definition since Lavin's last team lost to Providence in the BET and then San Diego St in the NCAA's last year's team was comparable to that team because get ready for it folks, they beat a 5-13 Georgetown team in the play in round of their own conference Tourney.

And evidently that is a serious poster.[/quote]

Of course you can't take that seriously. But what you can't deny is that last season's undermanned team played competitively nearly the entire schedule, never gaveup, and learned how to win after losing 2nd best player with an already thin rotation,

They should have and could have beaten Georgetown 3 times, but it was still an accomplishment to finally prevail over them in the BET.[/quote]

Very true, Beast. It was an agonizing and frustrating year--because it could've been much more. Losing LoVett was monumental, but the team--as undermanned as it was--did not quit. Three - four games could've gone our way.
Hopefully, a very good sign that Mullin's teams do not quit--and next year, very deep in talent, watch out.
Should be a very exciting season in a conference that doesn't look all that 'down' to me.
Nova is still Nova and some teams like Xavier and the Hall may have lost some talent, but others like us and Marquette have reloaded, and Providence and Butler still look tough.[/quote]


No I dont give him points for that either in terms of competitiveness. That works both ways.

Look at their 4 wins. EASILY could have lost 3 of them. Easily. Butler choked the game away at Carnesecca. DePaul had a lead late before Ponds got hot. I thought they outplayed Nova but still that was a 1 point game with less than a minute.

The only league game they won last year where you can argue they clearly outplayed and felt comfortable with a minute was Marquette at home. The fact is they were closer to being 1-17 then say 9-9. So 4-14 was about right.

The year before I have stated this a dozen times they finished 7-11. Look at the 11 losses, they were totally NON competitive in all of them. I believe they trailed at halftime in everyone of those games and trailed by double digits in the second half in EVERY loss. Meanwhile a couple of their wins were very tight. Could have finished 5-13 easily.

The fact is his 12-42 League record could actually be a lot worse...[/quote]

The mete fact that both amar and yakwe were getting serious minutes tells you how amazing it was that we were competitive with 2 rotation players contributing so little.

People criticized even Mother Theresa, whose ministry was caring for the sick and dying. They said she didn't do anything to end poverty and hunger.

Some people just prefer to see negatives instead of positives
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=294027]

People criticized even Mother Theresa, whose ministry was caring for the sick and dying. They said she didn't do anything to end poverty and hunger.

Some people just prefer to see negatives instead of positives[/quote]

What was her conference record after 3 years?
 
Class of 72 wrote:
Ideally we will only lose Shamorie and Marvin next year. We will have plenty of guards. Yet not a player of Slick's natural talent. Marvin can be replaced if we get a Precious or Aiden or even a solid Juco. We need to start getting BIGS like Kofi to get to the next level. Winning next season will change the dynamics of recruiting but let's win first.;)

Yes, BIGS please.
 
Wouldn't losing Justin be more appropriate for a thread titled - "Pessimistic View of 2019 Recruiting" - i.e.: every other thread on this board.
 
Hard to believe that some are debating whether a NIT Win years ago offsets a BE Tourney win against Gtown last year . And, speculating that we could have been 1-17 if DePaul beat us Twice or if Butler didn’t give us the game or , if Villanova hadn’t had players injured , etc . My God , where does the insanity end ? The whole off season was a Soap Opera of Mike Rice and the allegedly MIA Mitch Richmond . You would have thought a half dozen or so posters , everyone knows who they are , were Talent Agents and Tub Thumpers for Rice . And , it was laughable to even think we would lock up 5 Star players from his AAU squad , merely by him coming on board as a Assistant Coach ? If true and I seriously doubt Rice has that much clout to influence top notch talent , it doesn’t speak well for the Player or his Parents . That’s no indictment of anybody but, all I have seen from Player’s and their Parents are quotes praising Mullin and the Staff . This especially from the Lewis and Gaffney Parents . It’s all on the record for those interested in facts . Obviously , already on the record are the Ponds Family and their appreciation for the guidance and counsel given over the summer by Chris for Shamorie . But, the negativity still abounds . Many of the top 2019 players are waiting until later to make their choices . Speculating where any of them are going at this point is a nice talking point but, how many are really ready to commit ? Maybe we get a top recruit , maybe we don’t , but , the Staff has been around enough to have some links to some pretty heavy players . And, mostly with the aforesaid positive comments .
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=294023][quote="Eric" post=294019][quote="L J S A" post=294018][quote="Eric" post=294016]We are poised to have a very nice year this year....can't stand this negativity all the time over and over. Seriously?? Just look forward to this year and then bitch and complain IF we don't have a good season and IF we can't recruit to make most on here happy. To keep beating it over our heads serves absolutely no purpose except to negatively spin our team to the world. and of course the players read these sites so don't tell me it might not influence them at all. Great recruiting tool against us. I get we all have opinions. But be a little smarter sometimes in how you bash us.[/quote]

No one thinks we'll be bad next season. The problem is we stand to lose our top four guys, and there are no replacements. I've think I've posted that I believe we win 26+ games next season. Most teams that win that many games build upon it the following season. We don't even have a Marco Baldi coming in after a great season.[/quote]

I get the concern over no 2019 guys yet. But its not like we aren't involved. Some high 5 star. Some 3-4. We seem to always be a late signing destination but people just complain so much about it. That's who we are right now. A later destination. People also complain if we are listed in a 5 stars top 4 and we have no chance so they say and when we get dropped from others list. Cant win either way[/quote]

Ideally we will only lose Shamorie and Marvin next year. We will have plenty of guards. Yet not a player of Slick's natural talent. Marvin can be replaced if we get a Precious or Aiden or even a solid Juco. We need to start getting BIGS like Kofi to get to the next level. Winning next season will change the dynamics of recruiting but let's win first.;)[/quote]

I can’t imagine Heron (if eligible in 2018-19) not initially declaring for the NBA draft. Dunno, if he stays in or returns, but I think that’s a clear risk.
Hopefully, Simon stays after a very successful season to be the team’s leader in 2019-20.
It’s not ideal to be heavily reliant on next season’s success to attract top 2019 talent, late in the process.
But that’s the cards we dealt ourselves.
So let’s go.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=294039]Hard to believe that some are debating whether a NIT Win years ago offsets a BE Tourney win against Gtown last year . And, speculating that we could have been 1-17 if DePaul beat us Twice or if Butler didn’t give us the game or , if Villanova hadn’t had players injured , etc . My God , where does the insanity end ? The whole off season was a Soap Opera of Mike Rice and the allegedly MIA Mitch Richmond . You would have thought a half dozen or so posters , everyone knows who they are , were Talent Agents and Tub Thumpers for Rice . And , it was laughable to even think we would lock up 5 Star players from his AAU squad , merely by him coming on board as a Assistant Coach ? If true and I seriously doubt Rice has that much clout to influence top notch talent , it doesn’t speak well for the Player or his Parents . That’s no indictment of anybody but, all I have seen from Player’s and their Parents are quotes praising Mullin and the Staff . This especially from the Lewis and Gaffney Parents . It’s all on the record for those interested in facts . Obviously , already on the record are the Ponds Family and their appreciation for the guidance and counsel given over the summer by Chris for Shamorie . But, the negativity still abounds . Many of the top 2019 players are waiting until later to make their choices . Speculating where any of them are going at this point is a nice talking point but, how many are really ready to commit ? Maybe we get a top recruit , maybe we don’t , but , the Staff has been around enough to have some links to some pretty heavy players . And, mostly with the aforesaid positive comments .[/quote]

You're speaking about some posters speculating.... That's what goes on on many, message boards. Not to mention, some of what you consider "speculation" does bear sound logic and, occasionally, facts.

It sure beats inventing a narrative (fallaciously or fabricating), and then arguing against it.
 
Always bears mentioning that we're on a fan board posting about kids getting an education and entertaining us 30 or so nights a year.
There are fans that do diligent research of twitter feeds and others with good contacts that can sometimes share their info. They make reading the threads worthwhile for us diehards. But as I far as I know none of the posters are making a living do this. The analysis and opinions are FUN to read, but let's not try to pretend this is serious stuff here unless you are betting the mortgage.
 
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On a somewhat related topic, does anyone know if the October intrasquad game/fan night has been scheduled yet? Thanks in advance.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=294044]Always bears mentioning that we're on a fan board posting about kids getting an education and entertaining us 30 or so nights a year.
There are fans that do diligent research of twitter feeds and others with good contacts that can sometimes share their info. They make reading the threads worthwhile for us diehards. But as I far as I know none of the posters are making a living do this. The analysis and opinions are FUN to read, but let's not try to pretend this is serious stuff here unless you are betting the mortgage.[/quote]

Agree. Most of what I enjoy is the humorous discourse, even when the writer thinks he is serious.
It seems that since April nothing very real or serious has been discussed.
We've been in a redmen.com Strawberry Field.

"Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to strawberry fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry fields forever

Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone
But it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me"
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=294045]On a somewhat related topic, does anyone know if the October intrasquad game/fan night has been scheduled yet? Thanks in advance.[/quote]

You're referring to the "official" practice extravaganza. No time or date has been mentioned.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=294046][quote="OLV72" post=294044]Always bears mentioning that we're on a fan board posting about kids getting an education and entertaining us 30 or so nights a year.
There are fans that do diligent research of twitter feeds and others with good contacts that can sometimes share their info. They make reading the threads worthwhile for us diehards. But as I far as I know none of the posters are making a living do this. The analysis and opinions are FUN to read, but let's not try to pretend this is serious stuff here unless you are betting the mortgage.[/quote]

Agree. Most of what I enjoy is the humorous discourse, even when the writer thinks he is serious.
It seems that since April nothing very real or serious has been discussed.
We've been in a redmen.com Strawberry Field.

"Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to strawberry fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry fields forever

Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone
But it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me"
[/quote]

Or maybe reading the threads this summer is similar to watching the movie Ground Hog Day.
 
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