Realistic View of 2019 Recruiting

[quote="OLV72" post=293827]Old School,


Mullin's third season was a one game difference with Lavin's [/quote]

Mullins 3rd season was 4-14, Lavins was 8-10 in conference that's not 1 game. Furthermore Lavin went to NIT that 3rd year....team collapsed at the end when they suspended Harrison.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293930]It's clear that I dont think SJU feels they are in a strong position with a lot of their early 2019 local top targets. And that is why you see them pushing on Samuel, Jalen Hill and now William's. The problem is those kids will need to leave home and in many cases choose SJU over schools that have been recruiting them longer. Not an enviable position.[/quote]

But isn't that the definition of all the local recruits we were on first? They're leaving home for schools who haven't recruited them as long....
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293930]It's clear that I dont think SJU feels they are in a strong position with a lot of their early 2019 local top targets. And that is why you see them pushing on Samuel, Jalen Hill and now William's. The problem is those kids will need to leave home and in many cases choose SJU over schools that have been recruiting them longer. Not an enviable position.[/quote]

While not a smart 'strategy', I think our 'default' option is to bank on a bang-up 2018-19 season to capture some solid kids next year, after the NCAAs.
Again not smart, not a 'strategy', and a position I hope we're never in again, but that's it at this point.
Let the games begin.
 
My point is the staff's lack of recruiting credibility forces them to spread their recruiting thin. A lot of these late offers are not the stuff of a competent well oiled staff but a staff that is a bit disorganized and always left scrambling.

Nothing wrong with having back up plans but I fear with this staff it is more desperation than an actual strategic plan.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293947]My point is the staff's lack of recruiting credibility forces them to spread their recruiting thin. A lot of these late offers are not the stuff of a competent well oiled staff but a staff that is a bit disorganized and always left scrambling.

Nothing wrong with having back up plans but I fear with this staff it is more desperation than an actual strategic plan.[/quote]

Being “a bit disorganized and always left scrambling” might be a result of having only 1 full-time recruiter.
I hope that changes—with Mitch or without him—soon...for the good of St. John’s.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293931]

team collapsed at the end when they suspended Harrison.[/quote]

Who's they?
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=293948][quote="fordham96" post=293947]My point is the staff's lack of recruiting credibility forces them to spread their recruiting thin. A lot of these late offers are not the stuff of a competent well oiled staff but a staff that is a bit disorganized and always left scrambling.

Nothing wrong with having back up plans but I fear with this staff it is more desperation than an actual strategic plan.[/quote]

Being “a bit disorganized and always left scrambling” might be a result of having only 1 full-time recruiter.
I hope that changes—with Mitch or without him—soon...for the good of St. John’s.[/quote]

Yes....precisely.
 
[quote="fun" post=293950][quote="fordham96" post=293931]

team collapsed at the end when they suspended Harrison.[/quote]

Who's they?[/quote]

Us...
 
Imho, staff needs to make it a huge priority to keep Simon for one more year (assuming they will lose Ponds & Heron along with Clark). If they keep Simon and sign two top 100 type recruits for 2019 one of whom should be a big, they should be ok in 2019-2020 with those three, Figueroa, Dixon, Keita, Trimble, Williams, Wright, Roberts & Carraher. I am hoping we read an interview with Simon at this time next year similar to the one Clark just did.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=293953]Imho, staff needs to make it a huge priority to keep Simon for one more year (assuming they will lose Ponds & Heron along with Clark). If they keep Simon and sign two top 100 type recruits for 2019 one of whom should be a big, they should be ok in 2019-2020 with those three, Figueroa, Dixon, Keita, Trimble, Williams, Wright, Roberts & Carraher. I am hoping we read an interview with Simon at this time next year similar to the one Clark just did.[/quote]

Yeah NCJohnnie, let's hope Simon stays!
I was surprised a few months back when 'rumblings' surfaced that Simon may want to return to the West Coast for his last year of eligibility.
Thinking if we have a bang-up year in 2018-19, Simon may opt to stay as the team's leader for 2019-20--as I think you mentioned a hundred thread pages ago(!)-- and lead us again into the NCAAs.
Let's hop and let the games begin!
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293951][quote="Chicago Days" post=293948][quote="fordham96" post=293947]My point is the staff's lack of recruiting credibility forces them to spread their recruiting thin. A lot of these late offers are not the stuff of a competent well oiled staff but a staff that is a bit disorganized and always left scrambling.

Nothing wrong with having back up plans but I fear with this staff it is more desperation than an actual strategic plan.[/quote]

Being “a bit disorganized and always left scrambling” might be a result of having only 1 full-time recruiter.
I hope that changes—with Mitch or without him—soon...for the good of St. John’s.[/quote]

Yes....precisely.[/quote]

Listen, I'm not a fan of how the perceived recruiting plan of using one recruiter is going either. However I was very encouraged that we had 3 members on the road during a critical time this Summer. However, being realistic, I'd like to know which recruits you think we missed out on because we only had 1 recruiter. I'm anxious to hear names.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293947]My point is the staff's lack of recruiting credibility forces them to spread their recruiting thin. A lot of these late offers are not the stuff of a competent well oiled staff but a staff that is a bit disorganized and always left scrambling.

Nothing wrong with having back up plans but I fear with this staff it is more desperation than an actual strategic plan.[/quote]

The only Mitch Richmond can redeem himself in my view is if he brings in a top recruit that was influenced by him. If he chooses to remain invisible then much of Mully's failure will be on him.
 
[quote="Room112" post=293956][quote="fordham96" post=293951][quote="Chicago Days" post=293948][quote="fordham96" post=293947]My point is the staff's lack of recruiting credibility forces them to spread their recruiting thin. A lot of these late offers are not the stuff of a competent well oiled staff but a staff that is a bit disorganized and always left scrambling.

Nothing wrong with having back up plans but I fear with this staff it is more desperation than an actual strategic plan.[/quote]

Being “a bit disorganized and always left scrambling” might be a result of having only 1 full-time recruiter.
I hope that changes—with Mitch or without him—soon...for the good of St. John’s.[/quote]

Yes....precisely.[/quote]

Listen, I'm not a fan of how the perceived recruiting plan of using one recruiter is going either. However I was very encouraged that we had 3 members on the road during a critical time this Summer. However, being realistic, I'd like to know which recruits you think we missed out on because we only had 1 recruiter. I'm anxious to hear names.[/quote]

Totally conjectural, Room112, but maybe Jordan Brown, if Mitch had wooed him like Musselman did?
Maybe a couoje of 'grad bigs', like Femi, or the guy from NC State who chose G*town, or maybe A. Lewis; or maybe that guard originally from Patterson NJ, who was miffed our HC nor Mitch was present at his 'official visit'.
It is undeniable we're at a recruiting disadvantage versus our major competitors, with only 1 full-time, experienced recruiter.
Playing the game with 1 hand
C'mon.
As a postscript, Scottie Lewis--who once seemed our best shot in the 2019 class--now seems 'gonzo'.
Hoping our recruiting disadvantage ends soon.
 
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Greg recruited Jordan Brown and Joe Gerard. He has not landed a player since he has been here and recruiting may not be his forte. That said, he works hard, kids like him and he has a nice hoops future. Mitch has not personally targeted a player since his promotion and I sense he may have absented himself from that duty prior to taking the AC slot. Nothing much more to say on that.

Matt is not perfect, but if he ever chose to split there is no one on staff who has a clue re playing transfer game. It is not as easy as one thinks. He hawks this area all season long. I hate being held hostage & frankly having such dependence on Matt is a train wreck waiting to happen imo.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293965]Greg recruited Jordan Brown and Joe Gerard. He has not landed a player since he has been here and recruiting may not be his forte. That said, he works hard, kids like him and he has a nice hoops future. Mitch has not personally targeted a player since his promotion and I sense he may have absented himself from that duty prior to taking the AC slot. Nothing much more to say on that.

Matt is not perfect, but if he ever chose to split there is no one on staff who has a clue re playing transfer game. It is not as easy as one thinks. He hawks this area all season long. I hate being held hostage & frankly having such dependence on Matt is a train wreck waiting to happen imo.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more!
Rule # 1 is get the recruits.
I'm not sure there is athletic program as disorganized as at St. John's. While Butler and Xavier don't miss a beat we can't hire a competent A.D.
 
Conjecture is dangerous ground. One can fathom just about 'anything' into a governing 'reality'.
But, I cannot think otherwise that not having Mitch involved in being a full-time AC, including recruiting duties. has put and puts St. John's at a disadvantage compared to how our competitors function.
I wasn't taking swats at GSJ's hard work. He's a talented guy from all accounts and we're lucky to have him.
Maybe, we'd also be lucky if our 2nd HOFer, with immense NBA creds, also worked full-time.
And having Matt work full-bore-to the-wall, as our sole full-time recruiter doesn't seem the most efficient way to run 'recruiting', nor is it--as many have pointed out--the safest route longer-term for the program.
All I'm saying.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=293969]Conjecture is dangerous ground. One can fathom just about 'anything' into a governing 'reality'.
But, I cannot think otherwise that not having Mitch involved in being a full-time AC, including recruiting duties. has put and puts St. John's at a disadvantage compared to how our competitors function.
I wasn't taking swats at GSJ's hard work. He's a talented guy from all accounts and we're lucky to have him.
Maybe, we'd also be lucky if our 2nd HOFer, with immense NBA creds, also worked full-time.
And having Matt work full-bore-to the-wall, as our sole full-time recruiter doesn't seem the most efficient way to run 'recruiting', nor is it--as many have pointed out--the safest route longer-term for the program.
All I'm saying.[/quote]

I would like to see St. John's make public the mileage on Matt's car vs. Mitch's, and the miles accrued in their frequent flyer accounts. That would be a one sided battle. The only one Mitch would win is a comparison of their bank accounts.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=293970][quote="Chicago Days" post=293969]Conjecture is dangerous ground. One can fathom just about 'anything' into a governing 'reality'.
But, I cannot think otherwise that not having Mitch involved in being a full-time AC, including recruiting duties. has put and puts St. John's at a disadvantage compared to how our competitors function.
I wasn't taking swats at GSJ's hard work. He's a talented guy from all accounts and we're lucky to have him.
Maybe, we'd also be lucky if our 2nd HOFer, with immense NBA creds, also worked full-time.
And having Matt work full-bore-to the-wall, as our sole full-time recruiter doesn't seem the most efficient way to run 'recruiting', nor is it--as many have pointed out--the safest route longer-term for the program.
All I'm saying.[/quote]

I would like to see St. John's make public the mileage on Matt's car vs. Mitch's, and the miles accrued in their frequent flyer accounts. That would be a one sided battle. The only one Mitch would win is a comparison of their bank accounts.[/quote]

Gotta laugh Ray, even when it hurts.
 
Seems like this thread has morphed into the "endless repetitive/negative chatter thread". Oh well....season starts soon and then we can judge by results.
 
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