Realistic View of 2019 Recruiting
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.
[quote="Delaware" post=293808][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.[/quote]
Room112 from freaking 17 years ago is 35
Matt C who posted in grade school not only left his first job as a tv sports reporter in Washington and now works for the Giants is engaged and is 30 something.
Joe 3 has gone from a medium tee shirt to Mike Zaun Large tee Shirt
Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.[/quote]
Room112 from freaking 17 years ago is 35
Matt C who posted in grade school not only left his first job as a tv sports reporter in Washington and now works for the Giants is engaged and is 30 something.
Joe 3 has gone from a medium tee shirt to Mike Zaun Large tee Shirt
Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday
[quote="MJDinkins" post=293802][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote] I was going to post the same thing as your last paragraph. It is not that posters want the team to loose, but they are frustrated w things and are venting.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote] I was going to post the same thing as your last paragraph. It is not that posters want the team to loose, but they are frustrated w things and are venting.
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293811][quote="Delaware" post=293808][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.[/quote]
Room112 from freaking 17 years ago is 35
Matt C who posted in grade school not only left his first job as a tv sports reporter in Washington and now works for the Giants is engaged and is 30 something.
Joe 3 has gone from a medium tee shirt to Mike Zaun Large tee Shirt
Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday[/quote]
"Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday"
Even though most of us are New Yorkers, color many of us as a noncredulous character from Missouri.
Show me that Jack Williams actually exists. For that matter, show Austour that Jesus Christ actually existed.
Show me a tape of redmen dot com interviewing Mullin over the summer.
Show me where OTIS knew in July Mike Rice was never coming. Heck, two weeks ago even the Maven was 50/50.
Show me the strong leans that will restock the roster after Slick, Simon, Marvin, and Marcellus leave next year.
Now, all of the above may be true or false but rather than play word games with each other the only way to put speculation to rest is with a speculum. Any volunteers?
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.[/quote]
Room112 from freaking 17 years ago is 35
Matt C who posted in grade school not only left his first job as a tv sports reporter in Washington and now works for the Giants is engaged and is 30 something.
Joe 3 has gone from a medium tee shirt to Mike Zaun Large tee Shirt
Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday[/quote]
"Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday"
Even though most of us are New Yorkers, color many of us as a noncredulous character from Missouri.
Show me that Jack Williams actually exists. For that matter, show Austour that Jesus Christ actually existed.
Show me a tape of redmen dot com interviewing Mullin over the summer.
Show me where OTIS knew in July Mike Rice was never coming. Heck, two weeks ago even the Maven was 50/50.
Show me the strong leans that will restock the roster after Slick, Simon, Marvin, and Marcellus leave next year.
Now, all of the above may be true or false but rather than play word games with each other the only way to put speculation to rest is with a speculum. Any volunteers?
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=293812][quote="MJDinkins" post=293802][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote] I was going to post the same thing as your last paragraph. It is not that posters want the team to loose, but they are frustrated w things and are venting.[/quote]
It's 1000% that no one on this Board wants the program to lose. Our driving need to see a winning program fuels our frustration with the decisions made and not made.
We want the program to be structured to win.
It's the opaqueness and arbitrary nature of making choices--right ones and wrong ones--that we know all successful programs do correctly--or are set up to maximize optimal probabilities--that frustrates the heck out of us.
Maddening times.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote] I was going to post the same thing as your last paragraph. It is not that posters want the team to loose, but they are frustrated w things and are venting.[/quote]
It's 1000% that no one on this Board wants the program to lose. Our driving need to see a winning program fuels our frustration with the decisions made and not made.
We want the program to be structured to win.
It's the opaqueness and arbitrary nature of making choices--right ones and wrong ones--that we know all successful programs do correctly--or are set up to maximize optimal probabilities--that frustrates the heck out of us.
Maddening times.
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=293812][quote="MJDinkins" post=293802][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote] I was going to post the same thing as your last paragraph. It is not that posters want the team to loose, but they are frustrated w things and are venting.[/quote]
If people dont want to believe what I say so be it. Count me in on the worried crowd for the future in regards to recruiting. I'm flat out not confident and I'm beyond thankful that Matt has gotten us multiple get out of jail free cards ( I work in fiancee so I need a monopoly example ) I've said it before and years ago I was accused by a couple of being Anti Mullin and everyone that knows me knows thats not true but I am absolutely concerned.
That being said what is UNDENIABLE is if Heron is eligible this is our most talented team ( and veteran ) in ages. THIS IS THE YEAR !!!!!!!!
I get paid to worry for other people so I'm the worst example so I dont care if you agree or disagree with me but in my opinion this team is built to win this year. No exceptions
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote] I was going to post the same thing as your last paragraph. It is not that posters want the team to loose, but they are frustrated w things and are venting.[/quote]
If people dont want to believe what I say so be it. Count me in on the worried crowd for the future in regards to recruiting. I'm flat out not confident and I'm beyond thankful that Matt has gotten us multiple get out of jail free cards ( I work in fiancee so I need a monopoly example ) I've said it before and years ago I was accused by a couple of being Anti Mullin and everyone that knows me knows thats not true but I am absolutely concerned.
That being said what is UNDENIABLE is if Heron is eligible this is our most talented team ( and veteran ) in ages. THIS IS THE YEAR !!!!!!!!
I get paid to worry for other people so I'm the worst example so I dont care if you agree or disagree with me but in my opinion this team is built to win this year. No exceptions
Ok if you want a realistic view of what we are up against take a stiff drink and consider who we are up against.
The elite tier
kentuicky 4
Duke 4
Kansas 4
Arizona 4
NC 4
These 5 schools will take 20 kids every year and 15 out of the top 20. This wont change until major ncaa reform.
Tier 2
Villinova 3
Michigan state 3
Oregon 3
Michigan 3
Virgina 3
Florida 3
UCLA 3
Texas 3
Gonzaga 3
You can add or take away you consider belongs but each of these schools always scoop up thier shares of the top 100
Tier 3
Xavier 2
Witchita state 2
Miami 2
Tennessee 2
Auburn 2
You can add many more top this tier like Iowa state Purdue Ohio state Memphis.
The point is between the 3 tiers 75% of the top 100 are gone with lots of competition for the last 25%
If we ge 2 of them we are in good company.
The elite tier
kentuicky 4
Duke 4
Kansas 4
Arizona 4
NC 4
These 5 schools will take 20 kids every year and 15 out of the top 20. This wont change until major ncaa reform.
Tier 2
Villinova 3
Michigan state 3
Oregon 3
Michigan 3
Virgina 3
Florida 3
UCLA 3
Texas 3
Gonzaga 3
You can add or take away you consider belongs but each of these schools always scoop up thier shares of the top 100
Tier 3
Xavier 2
Witchita state 2
Miami 2
Tennessee 2
Auburn 2
You can add many more top this tier like Iowa state Purdue Ohio state Memphis.
The point is between the 3 tiers 75% of the top 100 are gone with lots of competition for the last 25%
If we ge 2 of them we are in good company.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=293802][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote]
MJ, do you realize that you are responding to a member of the board who was posting a few times a day calling for Lavin's head during the end of his final season?
Many of the fans showing some patience for Mullin had patience for Lavin and were not chasing him out of New York.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote]
MJ, do you realize that you are responding to a member of the board who was posting a few times a day calling for Lavin's head during the end of his final season?
Many of the fans showing some patience for Mullin had patience for Lavin and were not chasing him out of New York.
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[quote="OLV72" post=293824][quote="MJDinkins" post=293802][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote]
MJ, do you realize that you are responding to a member of the board who was posting a few times a day calling for Lavin's head during the end of his final season?
Many of the fans showing some patience for Mullin had patience for Lavin and were not chasing him out of New York.[/quote]
Yeah, that's right I did, he quit recruiting.
And I'm not pushing Mullin out, I'll get the post I posted in the other thread a few days ago.
"lmao
Frankie my friend, this thread is just warming up, we still have over 2 months to go before the season starts.
He doesn't want Rice on the staff to help? I'm fine with that. He doesn't want to go on the recruiting scene, and keep MR who I have no idea what he does? I'm fine with that. No Summer Camp to invite the 2019 recruits??? Hey, I'm really good with all that. He's the coach so it's his right to do it his way.
If he fails though, no one better make any excuses for him. If they do then they'll be looked at as just an ass kisser. A real man tells it the way it is. Really, not BS.
SJU is the school I grew up rooting for since the early 80s, and will always be my school that I want badly to do good.
BS time is over, we got the talent, lets see what Chris can do with it.
I'll continue to enjoy this thread lol.
Just surprised the mods hasn't locked it up."
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.
Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.
I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.
Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.[/quote]
MJ, do you realize that you are responding to a member of the board who was posting a few times a day calling for Lavin's head during the end of his final season?
Many of the fans showing some patience for Mullin had patience for Lavin and were not chasing him out of New York.[/quote]
Yeah, that's right I did, he quit recruiting.
And I'm not pushing Mullin out, I'll get the post I posted in the other thread a few days ago.
"lmao
Frankie my friend, this thread is just warming up, we still have over 2 months to go before the season starts.
He doesn't want Rice on the staff to help? I'm fine with that. He doesn't want to go on the recruiting scene, and keep MR who I have no idea what he does? I'm fine with that. No Summer Camp to invite the 2019 recruits??? Hey, I'm really good with all that. He's the coach so it's his right to do it his way.
If he fails though, no one better make any excuses for him. If they do then they'll be looked at as just an ass kisser. A real man tells it the way it is. Really, not BS.
SJU is the school I grew up rooting for since the early 80s, and will always be my school that I want badly to do good.
BS time is over, we got the talent, lets see what Chris can do with it.
I'll continue to enjoy this thread lol.
Just surprised the mods hasn't locked it up."
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Old School,
No need to dig it out. I know you are not turning on Mullin. If you did, we would all know it.
I was ok with Lavin. Just not thrilled with the middle three seasons and with how every season ended with a thud.
Mullin's third season was a one game difference with Lavin's and this upcoming season should exceed the disappointing year four under Lavin.
We'll soon see.
No need to dig it out. I know you are not turning on Mullin. If you did, we would all know it.
I was ok with Lavin. Just not thrilled with the middle three seasons and with how every season ended with a thud.
Mullin's third season was a one game difference with Lavin's and this upcoming season should exceed the disappointing year four under Lavin.
We'll soon see.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="Class of 72" post=293814][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293811][quote="Delaware" post=293808][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.[/quote]
Room112 from freaking 17 years ago is 35
Matt C who posted in grade school not only left his first job as a tv sports reporter in Washington and now works for the Giants is engaged and is 30 something.
Joe 3 has gone from a medium tee shirt to Mike Zaun Large tee Shirt
Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday[/quote]
"Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday"
Even though most of us are New Yorkers, color many of us as a noncredulous character from Missouri.
Show me that Jack Williams actually exists. For that matter, show Austour that Jesus Christ actually existed.
Show me a tape of redmen dot com interviewing Mullin over the summer.
Show me where OTIS knew in July Mike Rice was never coming. Heck, two weeks ago even the Maven was 50/50.
Show me the strong leans that will restock the roster after Slick, Simon, Marvin, and Marcellus leave next year.
Now, all of the above may be true or false but rather than play word games with each other the only way to put speculation to rest is with a speculum. Any volunteers?[/quote]
Put dinkins on the jack William's identity. He unmasked him once before and can do it again.
Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.
Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop
No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:
1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and
2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?
This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.
At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."
That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]
What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]
"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.
Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???
I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.
If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]
It feels plenty old right now.[/quote]
Room112 from freaking 17 years ago is 35
Matt C who posted in grade school not only left his first job as a tv sports reporter in Washington and now works for the Giants is engaged and is 30 something.
Joe 3 has gone from a medium tee shirt to Mike Zaun Large tee Shirt
Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday[/quote]
"Jack Williams Jesus Christ he's almost 21 and every poster here will be older than him at his strip club 21st birthday"
Even though most of us are New Yorkers, color many of us as a noncredulous character from Missouri.
Show me that Jack Williams actually exists. For that matter, show Austour that Jesus Christ actually existed.
Show me a tape of redmen dot com interviewing Mullin over the summer.
Show me where OTIS knew in July Mike Rice was never coming. Heck, two weeks ago even the Maven was 50/50.
Show me the strong leans that will restock the roster after Slick, Simon, Marvin, and Marcellus leave next year.
Now, all of the above may be true or false but rather than play word games with each other the only way to put speculation to rest is with a speculum. Any volunteers?
[/quote]Put dinkins on the jack William's identity. He unmasked him once before and can do it again.
JohnnyFever
Active member
Totally agree on the original post. Lavin got off to a good start, but his teams would be guaranteed to no-show at any tournament when it really mattered. Regular seasons were good, not great. Recruiting totally dropped off and you just got the sense that any opponent had a real chance against us no matter how bad. As was said, 10-8 in conference and 20 wins was seen as NOT ENOUGH! Though he did well objectively looking at records, he should have gotten way more out of his teams when considering the talent.
Fast forward to firing him and hiring Mullin. I wanted Hurley but I figured it would be very interesting after we hired Mullin. Again, wasn't the point to be better than Lavin? We were all told to give him time and let him settle in. We have. We were told he got left with nothing. We know that. But we're heading into year 4 now and the training wheels are off. It's maddening to see the mental gymnastics some go through to excuse clear dysfunction with our staff. That's not at all to takeaway from this season. This season on paper if MH is eligible, there's really no reason we shouldn't be a top 25 team at least for part of the season en route to a tourney berth. We knew that, but then the schedule comes out and we suddenly became Marist overnight apparently. We then learned we are essentially forced to be near perfect instead of scheduling real teams and allowing for 2-3 slip ups while still maintaining a good RPI. It seems that just when we think things are headed on the right track with this program, they shock us with something stupid and set us back again. That's why so many of us are frustrated. Of course we will root like crazy this year and we have a good chance to make the tourney, but it doesn't mean we can't criticize the complete lack of recruiting for 2019. Just because you're expected to have a good season doesn't mean you have to cover your ears and yell "lalalala I can't hear you!" when others point out zero major recruits for 2019. Is the goal to be good once every 5 years or every year?
Fast forward to firing him and hiring Mullin. I wanted Hurley but I figured it would be very interesting after we hired Mullin. Again, wasn't the point to be better than Lavin? We were all told to give him time and let him settle in. We have. We were told he got left with nothing. We know that. But we're heading into year 4 now and the training wheels are off. It's maddening to see the mental gymnastics some go through to excuse clear dysfunction with our staff. That's not at all to takeaway from this season. This season on paper if MH is eligible, there's really no reason we shouldn't be a top 25 team at least for part of the season en route to a tourney berth. We knew that, but then the schedule comes out and we suddenly became Marist overnight apparently. We then learned we are essentially forced to be near perfect instead of scheduling real teams and allowing for 2-3 slip ups while still maintaining a good RPI. It seems that just when we think things are headed on the right track with this program, they shock us with something stupid and set us back again. That's why so many of us are frustrated. Of course we will root like crazy this year and we have a good chance to make the tourney, but it doesn't mean we can't criticize the complete lack of recruiting for 2019. Just because you're expected to have a good season doesn't mean you have to cover your ears and yell "lalalala I can't hear you!" when others point out zero major recruits for 2019. Is the goal to be good once every 5 years or every year?
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="fuchsia" post=293863]Best mjmaher typo ever
( I work in fiancee so I need a monopoly example )[/quote]
Natalie is always on his mind!:cheer:
Mike, I has lunch at Kingfish with Mrs. 72 and give their lobster roll 7 claws. The duck wings are overrated. No beers on tap today as they were flushing the taps.
( I work in fiancee so I need a monopoly example )[/quote]
Natalie is always on his mind!:cheer:
Mike, I has lunch at Kingfish with Mrs. 72 and give their lobster roll 7 claws. The duck wings are overrated. No beers on tap today as they were flushing the taps.
[quote="Class of 72" post=293887][quote="fuchsia" post=293863]Best mjmaher typo ever
( I work in fiancee so I need a monopoly example )[/quote]
Natalie is always on his mind!:cheer:
Mike, I has lunch at Kingfish with Mrs. 72 and give their lobster roll 7 claws. The duck wings are overrated. No beers on tap today as they were flushing the taps.[/quote] try rex burger and lobster in minoría next time you are in the area
( I work in fiancee so I need a monopoly example )[/quote]
Natalie is always on his mind!:cheer:
Mike, I has lunch at Kingfish with Mrs. 72 and give their lobster roll 7 claws. The duck wings are overrated. No beers on tap today as they were flushing the taps.[/quote] try rex burger and lobster in minoría next time you are in the area
[quote="austour" post=293806]I just wish for once the school would hire someone that another school would eventually want to hire away.[/quote]
They did once. His name was Mike Jarvis. Unfortunately for us, Jarvis and his agent pissed off Jordan during contract negotiations.
They did once. His name was Mike Jarvis. Unfortunately for us, Jarvis and his agent pissed off Jordan during contract negotiations.
Good to see this evolving into another mindless chatter thread.
I get the lines have been drawn in the sand. But, for the love of St. John himself, please stop quoting every post before making your response.
It takes 15 minutes to scroll down to actually read the next original post (and I am using the word original very loosely).
I get the lines have been drawn in the sand. But, for the love of St. John himself, please stop quoting every post before making your response.
It takes 15 minutes to scroll down to actually read the next original post (and I am using the word original very loosely).
It's clear that I dont think SJU feels they are in a strong position with a lot of their early 2019 local top targets. And that is why you see them pushing on Samuel, Jalen Hill and now William's. The problem is those kids will need to leave home and in many cases choose SJU over schools that have been recruiting them longer. Not an enviable position.