Rasheem Dunn

[quote="Enright" post=375744]My two cents on Dunn is this. He seems to try too hard to get his shot. I don't mean at the end of games when the entire SJU team doesn't seem to have any semblance of control game after game but throughout his game.
He plays very hard but takes so many off balance contested shots that he will never shoot a decent percentage. His shooting stroke taking foul shots is perfect and that usually indicates a player of his size will be a decent outsize shooter. If the coaching staff could get him to stop forcing shots I think his entire offensive game would improve.[/quote]

Could be. He does have decent form from the outside so you'd think there was room for improvement there. If he'd slowly been improving his outside shot over the years I'd be a bit more optimistic about his chances of suddenly becoming a 35-40% shooter from outside. But the reality is that he's been a 25% shooter from deep for nearly 3 full seasons. For me to think he's going to spend the off season working so hard on his shooting that he's going to take his game to an all BE level next season requires me to believe that he hasn't been working on his outside shooting much at all the past 4 years or that he's suddenly going to wake up one morning and be Bootsy Thornton from beyond the arc.

The former doesn't matchup with the kids reputation as a competitor, and later requires divine intervention.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that Mote is right, but if I'm a betting man...
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=375746]I'm not sure what the issue is with Dunn... he's been a very good player for us. Unfortunately our overall lack of backcourt depth forces him to do more than he is capable of. He's not a true PG, he's a slasher and a scorer. He has to play PG for us this year because no one else can. The other option - Rutherford - simply doesn't give enough offense to be a full-time PG. Assuming Posh is the real deal at PG next year, then Dunn (and Williams as well) will play primarily off the ball on the wing, and he will be even better than he is right now.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said, except the part about Dunn being even better than he is now as a 6'1 or 6'2 wing who shoots 25% beyond the arc.

I can't remember the last guy that size who wasn't a good outside shooter and was still an elite wing.
 
[quote="Monte" post=375745][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375735][quote="Monte" post=375694][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375645][quote="Monte" post=375639][quote="Beast of the East" post=375480]Let's lay off the kid for at least a little while.[/quote]

I started the thread to praise the kid. Others have used it to attack him after Sunday’s game. Kid has played his heart out all year for us. Really pathetic to kick the kid when he’s down.[/quote]

I missed it. Who was "kicking him when he's down"?[/quote]

Go back and read the posts since Sunday's game, like I just did, and you'll find your answer. I don't want to quote specific posters. I didn't say "everyone" did it, but some posters did. Some of the comments were uncalled for. And I still want the ball in Dunn's hands in that situation over any other kid on the team. Although I would have preferred that he drove and looked to dish. All moot at this point. As for a big east selection next year, are you telling me that Heron had a better year last year then Dunn is having this year? Because I would have to disagree. Yet Heron was a 2nd team pre-season all Big East selection. Not sure why you consider it such a reach that Dunn could be a 2nd team Big East selection next year. Just to clarify: " if" he can improve his outside shooting and play more under control, he "could be" an all Big East(not saying 1st team) selection at the end of the year.[/quote]

Monte,

I was asking you to identify what posts you considered to be "kicking him when he was down" because that's a subjective phrase that could have different definitions/interpretations to different people. My re-reading the thread isn't going to help me, or anyone else for that matter, understand who you were referring to or why you disagreed with their statements. Also, this is a public forum where folks have very active disagreements/debates/discussions all the time. I' m not sure firing a shotgun indiscriminately into a crowd and then telling them to figure out who you were aiming at is the best way to participate in a group chat like this, but that's just my opinion.[/quote]


We can go round and round in circles on this. Some of us are saying that we feel that Dunn will be a better player next year and, by virtue, possibly merit All Big East(1st team, 2nd team, is there a 3rd team?) consideration(post-season, not pre-season). Some of you are saying that you've seen enough of a sample size to decide that he is who he is, and he has little to no shot. And once again I will base my "hopes" on his having a much better year on him improving his outside shooting. My "hopes" are based on a few things:
1) He's got a nice stroke, and seems to rush his shot a lot of the time now
2) He's increased his FT shooting nearly 10 points since Freshmen year at St. Francis
3) He will be surrounded by the best talent, by far, of his 4 years in college
4) He will be playing off the ball and on a team with more weapons, which should open up the floor. Hopefully get more good looks where he can take his time and square up.
5) His work ethic. I am sure he will be working on his shooting all off season. Again, he has the stroke. He just needs to hone it.

[/quote]

Has a good stroke, improved his FT %, has a great work ethic...Ok...how do you explain that his 3pt shooting % have been 22%, 28% and 25%?? Is it:
1- He doesn't work on his outside shooting as hard as he does his FT shooting?
2- Bad luck?
3- He's just not a good outside shooter?
4- something else?

Frankly, if I'm Dunn I'm concerned that Greg Williams gets my minutes as a SG next year. He's more explosive and his outside shooting went from 20% to 27.3% this year and that's including early in the year when he was playing with that back injury. If he takes a similar step forward a from Soph to Jr years, he's your starting 2G next year and Cole or Figgy or Moore is the wing. Dunn either starts at the point of comes off the bench if that happens.
 
I agree with that concern, SJUFan. Simply moving off the ball won't make him a better shooter, but it could help. If Dunn is off the ball next year, he will be able to catch and shoot more next year rather than creating jump shots off the dribble. So we may actually see an improvement in his jump shooting. My overall point, however, is that Dunn will get more opportunities to drive and slash from the wing that he does as the PG - and that's his strength. With a legit PG, both he and the team will be better off. I look forward to good things next year - even without Heron.
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=375762]I agree with that concern, SJUFan. Simply moving off the ball won't make him a better shooter, but it could help. If Dunn is off the ball next year, he will be able to catch and shoot more next year rather than creating jump shots off the dribble. So we may actually see an improvement in his jump shooting. My overall point, however, is that Dunn will get more opportunities to drive and slash from the wing that he does as the PG - and that's his strength. With a legit PG, both he and the team will be better off. I look forward to good things next year - even without Heron.[/quote]

I get what you are saying Mike. But I'd venture to guess that far more than 50% of his 3 point attempts are of the "catch and shoot" variety already. Frankly, I can't even remember him taking a 3point shot this year where he broke a guy down off the dribble and stepped back for the 3, other than the obvious chuck to beat a shot clock violation.
 
Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]


Personally, I don’t care about that. What I care about is people complaining about him driving into traffic late in games or running the shot clock down. I’ve seen a few posts complaining on that.

Everyone here watches the games. I know that, but sometimes it really seems like some of you don’t. When we have big possessions late in games this year, you all see what happens right? We pass the ball around the perimeter aimlessly until it eventually gets to Dunn and then he tries to create on his own.

How do we watch that and then come away blaming Rasheem Dunn? How about the coaches over on the sidelines draw something up? How about our preseason all big east selected players get the ball and actually step up in a big situation? How about that?

But no let’s blame the 2 star transfer who god forbid has the balls to step up and try to get a bucket late in a game even though he’s undersized. Context matters. If Dunn is the villain for being the guy to take the shot in others eyes, fine, but in my eyes I’m looking right at our more talented players who continue to give nothing in big situations
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=375767][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]


Personally, I don’t care about that. What I care about is people complaining about him driving into traffic late in games or running the shot clock down. I’ve seen a few posts complaining on that.

Everyone here watches the games. I know that, but sometimes it really seems like some of you don’t. When we have big possessions late in games this year, you all see what happens right? We pass the ball around the perimeter aimlessly until it eventually gets to Dunn and then he tries to create on his own.

How do we watch that and then come away blaming Rasheem Dunn? How about the coaches over on the sidelines draw something up? How about our preseason all big east selected players get the ball and actually step up in a big situation? How about that?

But no let’s blame the 2 star transfer who god forbid has the balls to step up and try to get a bucket late in a game even though he’s undersized. Context matters. If Dunn is the villain for being the guy to take the shot in others eyes, fine, but in my eyes I’m looking right at our more talented players who continue to give nothing in big situations[/quote]

As one who has criticized Dunn exactly as you describe, let me say I now think I was wrong for exactly the reasons you describe.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375755][quote="RedmanMike" post=375746]I'm not sure what the issue is with Dunn... he's been a very good player for us. Unfortunately our overall lack of backcourt depth forces him to do more than he is capable of. He's not a true PG, he's a slasher and a scorer. He has to play PG for us this year because no one else can. The other option - Rutherford - simply doesn't give enough offense to be a full-time PG. Assuming Posh is the real deal at PG next year, then Dunn (and Williams as well) will play primarily off the ball on the wing, and he will be even better than he is right now.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said, except the part about Dunn being even better than he is now as a 6'1 or 6'2 wing who shoots 25% beyond the arc.

I can't remember the last guy that size who wasn't a good outside shooter and was still an elite wing.[/quote]

I didn’t hear anyone say “elite”. Just that if he can improve his shooting then he will improve on this year and be a very good player for us next year. Still not sure why the leap from a “good player” to a “very good player”(IE big East 2nd team selection) is such a radical prediction? If I were a betting man(oh wait, I am) I would not bet against this kid.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=375768][quote="Jack Williams" post=375767][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]


Personally, I don’t care about that. What I care about is people complaining about him driving into traffic late in games or running the shot clock down. I’ve seen a few posts complaining on that.

Everyone here watches the games. I know that, but sometimes it really seems like some of you don’t. When we have big possessions late in games this year, you all see what happens right? We pass the ball around the perimeter aimlessly until it eventually gets to Dunn and then he tries to create on his own.

How do we watch that and then come away blaming Rasheem Dunn? How about the coaches over on the sidelines draw something up? How about our preseason all big east selected players get the ball and actually step up in a big situation? How about that?

But no let’s blame the 2 star transfer who god forbid has the balls to step up and try to get a bucket late in a game even though he’s undersized. Context matters. If Dunn is the villain for being the guy to take the shot in others eyes, fine, but in my eyes I’m looking right at our more talented players who continue to give nothing in big situations[/quote]

As one who has criticized Dunn exactly as you describe, let me say I now think I was wrong for exactly the reasons you describe.[/quote]

And I’m not saying it’s not understandable. When a player misses a shot late or gets blocked of course the first thing your mind goes to is to blame the player who didn’t make the shot. But man, the more I watch these games it’s baffling to me how little we are getting from players who are more talented than Dunn.

And everyone knows I’m hesitant to throw a lot of blame at Mike A right now because he’s dealing with a team that lacks talent, sure, but can’t we come up with something other than just make our undersized guard try to create something? Because what ends up happening is he doesn’t always come through and then people blame Dunn when he doesn’t deserve it.

It’d be like if the Lakers forced one of their players like Quinn Cook to iso at the end of a close game and he failed. And lakers fans blame Cook after the game like many on here blame Dunn. But why isn’t the ball in LeBrons hands? Anthony Davis? Not a great analogy cause Heron/LJ aren’t on that level whatsoever but the point remains they are still superior talents who should be stepping up in those situations.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I think a lot of fans have what I call the "Larry Brown mentality" when it comes to PGs. They have a specific vision of what a PG should be, and should be able to do, and if the PG goes away from that even one bit, they sour on him.

The problem is, players like that are few and far between. They're not coming here, and if they are, they're only staying one year, so I think compromise needs to be in order.
 
Dunn is the last guy fans should knock. I’m hoping Greg Williams develops into a slasher w the offensive ability of Dunn. They both give great effort and are a pleasure to watch
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]

Would you have projected Dwight Hardy as an all big east level player after his Jr year? His Jr year stats per 40 minutes (not that stats are everything) are not that far off from Dunn's. Just sayin'
 
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[quote="Monte" post=375778][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]

Would you have projected Dwight Hardy as an all big east level player after his Jr year? His Jr year stats per 40 minutes (not that stats are everything) are not that far off from Dunn's. Just sayin'[/quote]

No, I wouldn't have. And nobody else did either. Hardy wasn't on the pre-season all BE 1st, 2nd or Honorable mention lists. He played his way to that award. That said, he was shooting 38% form 3 in his first year. Light years ahead of Dunn as a 2G

2010-1011 Preseason All-Big East teams
First Team
Austin Freeman, G., GTWN
Kemba Walker, G., CONN
Ashton Gibbs, G., PITT
Jeremy Hazell, G., HALL
Corey Fisher, G., VILL
Kevin Jones, F., WVU

Second Team
Chris Wright, G., GTWN
Jimmy Butler, F., MARQ
Tim Abromaitis, F., ND
D. J. Kennedy, G., SJ
Kris Joseph, F., SYR

Honorable Mention
Yancy Gates, F., CIN
Darius Johnson-Odom, G., MARQ
Rick Jackson, F., SYR
 
[quote="Monte" post=375778][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]

Would you have projected Dwight Hardy as an all big east level player after his Jr year? His Jr year stats per 40 minutes (not that stats are everything) are not that far off from Dunn's. Just sayin'[/quote]

I been trying not to post, but i been reading this thread and want to say one thing.
Dunn is probably the best player on the team for 38 minutes but for the final 2minutes i want him on the bench
Last 2 possessions he milks the clock then drives 1 on 3, under hands the ball off the back board and never hits the rim, instead of playi g super hero why not pass it to someone open, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE FREAKING OPEN, SOMEWHERE ON THE FREAKING COURT.
Then the next possession he dribbles it off his knee.

We score just once on those two possessions we win, so while he isn't why we lost, he's a big part of it.
No 9ne can dispute that.
 
[quote="Not an alum" post=375775]Dunn is the last guy fans should knock. I’m hoping Greg Williams develops into a slasher w the offensive ability of Dunn. They both give great effort and are a pleasure to watch[/quote]

Dunn is playing very well considering what he’s being asked to do. He’s being asked to play out of position and as a complimentary player he’s being asked to shoulder the load because our best players are not playing up to their potential. Give the kid a break. He’s a good foul shooter and has good form on his jump shot. If he can be one more consistent he can be an excellent player for us next season as a shooting guard especially with a real PG like Posh getting him the ball in position to score and to square up on his jump shot instead of taking it off the dribble. As far Williams is concerned, I think he has had some health issues that have held him back. I still consider him a freshman because he didn’t play last season and he’s in a new system. I’m hoping he can become a Phil Greene type player next season. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. CMA will bring in six new players next season. His type of players. The team will grow from there. The fact that they will be able to go to Europe over the summer with all these new players will be huge for player development and team chemistry for next season. I believe we will be ok. I also don’t think that CMA has been able to fully implement his system this season. I think his system with his players can very successful in this league. Every team will have to prepare specially for his teams. And once we have a true PG that pressing us shit goes out the window. I know fans are tired of waiting, I am too. But we have to have some patience here. We’ll be ok.
 
[quote="CMA TIME" post=375783][quote="Monte" post=375778][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]

Would you have projected Dwight Hardy as an all big east level player after his Jr year? His Jr year stats per 40 minutes (not that stats are everything) are not that far off from Dunn's. Just sayin'[/quote]

I been trying not to post, but i been reading this thread and want to say one thing.
Dunn is probably the best player on the team for 38 minutes but for the final 2minutes i want him on the bench
Last 2 possessions he milks the clock then drives 1 on 3, under hands the ball off the back board and never hits the rim, instead of playi g super hero why not pass it to someone open, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE FREAKING OPEN, SOMEWHERE ON THE FREAKING COURT.
Then the next possession he dribbles it off his knee.

We score just once on those two possessions we win, so while he isn't why we lost, he's a big part of it.
No 9ne can dispute that.[/quote]

You should have tried harder.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375786][quote="CMA TIME" post=375783][quote="Monte" post=375778][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375766][quote="Jack Williams" post=375765]Not to be dramatic but this thread is the worst.

2 star recruit. Transfers in from Cleveland state. Has given everything he has and has been a huge part of pretty much all of our biggest games.

Due to #0 shrinking in big moments and #30 always in foul trouble we have no choice but to defer to Dunn in big spots. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. But he’s given us a lot more than I expected he would.

Calling him a “street baller” is ridiculous. He does everything he can to help the team win and a lot of the times has no choice but to freestyle out there because no one else can create anything. Honestly the disrespect is maddening to me but I get it, a lot of losses piling, a lot of frustration, but I’m glad we have Dunn[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm glad we have Dunn as well. He's a good player with a role on a team that plays our style. He's just not an all-BE level PG or SG. That's not a knock, nor is it disrespectful. It's just the truth.[/quote]

Would you have projected Dwight Hardy as an all big east level player after his Jr year? His Jr year stats per 40 minutes (not that stats are everything) are not that far off from Dunn's. Just sayin'[/quote]

I been trying not to post, but i been reading this thread and want to say one thing.
Dunn is probably the best player on the team for 38 minutes but for the final 2minutes i want him on the bench
Last 2 possessions he milks the clock then drives 1 on 3, under hands the ball off the back board and never hits the rim, instead of playi g super hero why not pass it to someone open, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE FREAKING OPEN, SOMEWHERE ON THE FREAKING COURT.
Then the next possession he dribbles it off his knee.

We score just once on those two possessions we win, so while he isn't why we lost, he's a big part of it.
No 9ne can dispute that.[/quote]

You should have tried harder.[/quote]

Oh well
 
[quote="Not an alum" post=375775]Dunn is the last guy fans should knock. I’m hoping Greg Williams develops into a slasher w the offensive ability of Dunn. They both give great effort and are a pleasure to watch[/quote]

I actually think if Williams had the mentality/confidence that Dunn had, he’d be the better player of the two. Big fan of both players.
 
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