Rasheem Dunn

[quote="Making Plays" post=375135][quote="Paultzman" post=375132][quote="Making Plays" post=375131][quote="JohnnyFan" post=375119]This may not be popular but, on a strong BE team, I think Dunn is more of a 6th man type.[/quote]

Dunn hasn't even played a full year of Big East basketball yet and he's easily been the most consistent player on the team, and this team consists of 2 pre-season all Big East players. He leads the team in assist and 2nd in scoring since conference play started. Dunn will be the best or 2nd best player on the team next year and probably average the most minutes. I'd even say he'll be an All-Big East selection.[/quote]
All BE selection is quite a reach.[/quote]

How so? He's already averaging 12 PPG in his first year in conference and he's still learning to play PG. A full off-season and him having more experience and knowing what to expect in Big East play, he should be a 15-16 PPG player next year.

Also, if you look around the league Big East will be losing a lot of the better players that will all Big East selections, Dunn will be one of the better returning players in the conference.[/quote]
Am quite aware of BE rosters and recruiting & just find this and your references to possible SJU February and March runs grounded in blind faith and a bit tiring. Whatever rocks your boat though.
 
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I think on a top BE team he would be much better with a real good center he would be driving and dishing
When he gets his shooting better and we get A more athletic rebounding team his stock goes way up mo
 
I think on a top BE team he would be much better with a real good center he would be driving and dishing
When he gets his shooting better and we get A more athletic rebounding team his stock goes way up mo
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=375137][quote="Making Plays" post=375135][quote="Paultzman" post=375132][quote="Making Plays" post=375131][quote="JohnnyFan" post=375119]This may not be popular but, on a strong BE team, I think Dunn is more of a 6th man type.[/quote]

Dunn hasn't even played a full year of Big East basketball yet and he's easily been the most consistent player on the team, and this team consists of 2 pre-season all Big East players. He leads the team in assist and 2nd in scoring since conference play started. Dunn will be the best or 2nd best player on the team next year and probably average the most minutes. I'd even say he'll be an All-Big East selection.[/quote]
All BE selection is quite a reach.[/quote]

How so? He's already averaging 12 PPG in his first year in conference and he's still learning to play PG. A full off-season and him having more experience and knowing what to expect in Big East play, he should be a 15-16 PPG player next year.

Also, if you look around the league Big East will be losing a lot of the better players that will all Big East selections, Dunn will be one of the better returning players in the conference.[/quote]
Am quite aware of BE rosters and recruiting & just find this and your references to possible SJU February and March runs grounded in blind faith and a bit tiring. Whatever rocks your boat though.[/quote]

LOL, blind faith? So, you're upset that I referenced a Fox Sports analyst (a professional that gets paid to do research) as saying SJU can still make the tournament? Like, I told the other guy if you have issues with that you're welcome to tweet at him and take that up with him, that's his information not mine. It's actually good news, how that bothers some of you guys is beyond me.

As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.
 
[quote="Making Plays" post=375140][quote="Paultzman" post=375137][quote="Making Plays" post=375135][quote="Paultzman" post=375132][quote="Making Plays" post=375131][quote="JohnnyFan" post=375119]This may not be popular but, on a strong BE team, I think Dunn is more of a 6th man type.[/quote]

Dunn hasn't even played a full year of Big East basketball yet and he's easily been the most consistent player on the team, and this team consists of 2 pre-season all Big East players. He leads the team in assist and 2nd in scoring since conference play started. Dunn will be the best or 2nd best player on the team next year and probably average the most minutes. I'd even say he'll be an All-Big East selection.[/quote]
All BE selection is quite a reach.[/quote]

How so? He's already averaging 12 PPG in his first year in conference and he's still learning to play PG. A full off-season and him having more experience and knowing what to expect in Big East play, he should be a 15-16 PPG player next year.

Also, if you look around the league Big East will be losing a lot of the better players that will all Big East selections, Dunn will be one of the better returning players in the conference.[/quote]
Am quite aware of BE rosters and recruiting & just find this and your references to possible SJU February and March runs grounded in blind faith and a bit tiring. Whatever rocks your boat though.[/quote]

LOL, blind faith? So, you're upset that I referenced a Fox Sports analyst (a professional that gets paid to do research) as saying SJU can still make the tournament? Like, I told the other guy if you have issues with that you're welcome to tweet at him and take that up with him, that's his information not mine. It's actually good news, how that bothers some of you guys is beyond me.

As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.[/quote]

Put down the Pom poms and see how season goes & perhaps Dunn will be a first round draft pick with your help next season. Be happy to take this to PM rather than clog Cole thread.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=375142]If Dunn is the best player on next years team, then next year will be way worse than this year.[/quote]

Dunn has arguably been the best player on this year’s team so I’m not sure I understand your logic.
 
We do have a Rasheed Dunn thread in RedmenTalk. Please take the discussion there if necessary.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=375141][quote="Making Plays" post=375140][quote="Paultzman" post=375137][quote="Making Plays" post=375135][quote="Paultzman" post=375132][quote="Making Plays" post=375131][quote="JohnnyFan" post=375119]This may not be popular but, on a strong BE team, I think Dunn is more of a 6th man type.[/quote]

Dunn hasn't even played a full year of Big East basketball yet and he's easily been the most consistent player on the team, and this team consists of 2 pre-season all Big East players. He leads the team in assist and 2nd in scoring since conference play started. Dunn will be the best or 2nd best player on the team next year and probably average the most minutes. I'd even say he'll be an All-Big East selection.[/quote]
All BE selection is quite a reach.[/quote]

How so? He's already averaging 12 PPG in his first year in conference and he's still learning to play PG. A full off-season and him having more experience and knowing what to expect in Big East play, he should be a 15-16 PPG player next year.

Also, if you look around the league Big East will be losing a lot of the better players that will all Big East selections, Dunn will be one of the better returning players in the conference.[/quote]
Am quite aware of BE rosters and recruiting & just find this and your references to possible SJU February and March runs grounded in blind faith and a bit tiring. Whatever rocks your boat though.[/quote]

LOL, blind faith? So, you're upset that I referenced a Fox Sports analyst (a professional that gets paid to do research) as saying SJU can still make the tournament? Like, I told the other guy if you have issues with that you're welcome to tweet at him and take that up with him, that's his information not mine. It's actually good news, how that bothers some of you guys is beyond me.

As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.[/quote]

Put down the Pom poms and see how season goes & perhaps Dunn will be a first round draft pick with your help next season. Be happy to take this to PM rather than clog Cole thread.[/quote]

Who peed in your cornflakes this morning? If you don't think Dunn will ever have all league potential and you don't agree with bracketlogist, that's your opinion. But don't try to make me out like a sunshine pumper when you're the king of using the "pom poms." I thought you were Mike Cragg's burner account when I first got on here as much as you talked about him.

And i'm good on the PM really nothing else to say, unless you got something else to add, we disagree on those two things, I honestly didn't think either of those things were that big of a deal.
 
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[quote="Making Plays" post=375140]
As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.[/quote]

Dunn is a 2G that can't shoot from the outside. That's a bad recipe for being an all conference selection. I like him and think he has a role on this team next year, but let' be serious...we have a better shot at making the NCAA tournament this year than he has at being the best PG or 2G in the BE next year.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375432][quote="Making Plays" post=375140]
As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.[/quote]

Dunn is a 2G that can't shoot from the outside. That's a bad recipe for being an all conference selection. I like him and think he has a role on this team next year, but let' be serious...we have a better shot at making the NCAA tournament this year than he has at being the best PG or 2G in the BE next year.[/quote]

I didn’t hear anyone say that he’d be the best PG or 2G in league next year, but IMO an all Big East selection(not necessarily 1st team) is not out of the question based on what we’ve seen this year. Do think he would need to develop a better jump shot for that to happen.
 
I like Dunn a lot. But at the end of the day, he came in here as a mid-major caliber SG who all of a sudden was expected to morph into a Big East-caliber PG. And he just can’t do it. And I feel bad for him because he clearly is cracking under the pressure- witness the 4 horrific turnovers down the stretch. Square peg, round hole. Doesn’t work, never will.
 
I like Dunn, but that dribbling with the clock running down and then forcing a drive into traffic on our second to last possession was awful.
 
Dunn's play in the last few minutes of most games has been terrible but a lot of that blame is due to the lack of leadership from SJU's two pre season big east selections, LJ and Heron.
Where are they when it counts. They seem totally incapable of making a play when it counts and coach doesn't seem to want any play set up for them. What is going on between the three of them?
 
[quote="Monte" post=375450][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375432][quote="Making Plays" post=375140]
As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.[/quote]

Dunn is a 2G that can't shoot from the outside. That's a bad recipe for being an all conference selection. I like him and think he has a role on this team next year, but let' be serious...we have a better shot at making the NCAA tournament this year than he has at being the best PG or 2G in the BE next year.[/quote]

I didn’t hear anyone say that he’d be the best PG or 2G in league next year, but IMO an all Big East selection(not necessarily 1st team) is not out of the question based on what we’ve seen this year. Do think he would need to develop a better jump shot for that to happen.[/quote]

You must have missed this gem from Making Plays:
"Dunn will be the best or 2nd best player on the team next year and probably average the most minutes. I'd even say he'll be an All-Big East selection."
 
[quote="Enright" post=375471]Dunn's play in the last few minutes of most games has been terrible but a lot of that blame is due to the lack of leadership from SJU's two pre season big east selections, LJ and Heron.
Where are they when it counts. They seem totally incapable of making a play when it counts and coach doesn't seem to want any play set up for them. What is going on between the three of them?[/quote]

This loss is on CMA. They were running clock with 10 minutes to play and a 10 point lead. You CANNOT do that with this group. I said this month's ago, the biggest weakness this team has is that it doesn't have anyone to close out games, to make sure we get good possessions down the stretch and limit the empty trips. Need one guy who is a quadruple threat to shoot, break down a defense off the dribble, set up a teammate for an open look, or get to the foul line.

That guy isn't on this year's team. Mike has to let them do what they do well and that's force the issue. Play up tempo. The minute they start winding the clock down to 10 sec and then chucking up a prayer to beat the shot clock they lose all momentum and rhythm on offense. This loss is all his.
 
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375476][quote="Enright" post=375471]Dunn's play in the last few minutes of most games has been terrible but a lot of that blame is due to the lack of leadership from SJU's two pre season big east selections, LJ and Heron.
Where are they when it counts. They seem totally incapable of making a play when it counts and coach doesn't seem to want any play set up for them. What is going on between the three of them?[/quote]

This loss is on CMA. They were running clock with 10 minutes to play and a 10 point lead. You CANNOT do that with this group. I said this month's ago, the biggest weakness this team has is that it doesn't have anyone to close out games, to make sure we get good possessions down the stretch and limit the empty trips. Need one guy who is a quadruple threat to shoot, break down a defense off the dribble, set up a teammate for an open look, or get to the foul line.

That guy isn't on this year's team. Mike has to let them do what they do well and that's force the issue. Play up tempo. The minute they start winding the clock down to 10 sec and then chucking up a prayer to beat the shot clock they lose all momentum and rhythm on offense. This loss is all his.[/quote]

Hard to get out and run, when you're not getting stops defensively. If a team is going to sit back in zone against us, that's going to slow it down, right there.

It's much easier to slow a game down, then it is to speed a game up.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=375475][quote="Monte" post=375450][quote="SJUFAN2" post=375432][quote="Making Plays" post=375140]
As far as Dunn, he's a 12 PPG first year player in the league, and his been a model of consistency. He's arguably been better than 2 projected all league players, it's not "blind faith" to assume a player that's been consistently good will improve in the off-season. Especially when I've seen players that have had his similar skillset make jumps and become all league players. Jaylen Barford is a guy that comes to mind, 1st year after JUCO averaged 12 PPG, struggled at PG position, shot 20% from 3, and following year averaged 17 PPG and made all conference.[/quote]

Dunn is a 2G that can't shoot from the outside. That's a bad recipe for being an all conference selection. I like him and think he has a role on this team next year, but let' be serious...we have a better shot at making the NCAA tournament this year than he has at being the best PG or 2G in the BE next year.[/quote]

I didn’t hear anyone say that he’d be the best PG or 2G in league next year, but IMO an all Big East selection(not necessarily 1st team) is not out of the question based on what we’ve seen this year. Do think he would need to develop a better jump shot for that to happen.[/quote]

You must have missed this gem from Making Plays:
"Dunn will be the best or 2nd best player on the team next year and probably average the most minutes. I'd even say he'll be an All-Big East selection."[/quote]

He may be the best player on the team if LJ leaves but truth be told that is not saying much, in fact it is saying very little. Dunn and Sears, if Sears is back, are the only players who will be seniors next season and Dunn will be a fifth year senior. Williams, Earlington and Roberts, all who have improved are just not yet good players on a consistent basis. No one would call Caraher good at this point and I would be shocked if Steere returns. Champagne was a wonderful very late pick up and we all hope he continues to improve.
Then we have 5 new faces non of whom has played a minute of division 1 ball. I am praying Cole and Moore will be good right out of the gate as we need more fire power and that Posh can be solid as a freshman, so to say Dunn will be our best or second best player is really not going out on a limb. He will have very little competition.
To say he will be all Big East is just a complete stretch to me at this point , but you know what they say about opinions, which incidentally also applies to
Mine
 
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