[quote="Coaster" post=361413][quote="Chicago Days" post=361412][quote="fordham96" post=361408][quote="Moose" post=361402][quote="fordham96" post=361400][quote="Chicago Days" post=361399][quote="fordham96" post=361386][quote="kred" post=361380][quote="NCJohnnie" post=361288]Thanks Fordham96 & Paultzman for the news on administration optimism regarding appeal of waiver denial. I'll be interested to hear the basis of the decision once made, but in the meantime I'll just hope for the best.
On to basketball tonight![/quote]
I'll be interested to know what information they did not provide originally, but was provided in the denial review that turned the dam thing around..[/quote]
Most times the facts don't change. Public pressure usually is a big tipping point. If people legitimately feel that a kid transferring after having transferred once combined with a late coaching change should warrant a waiver as opposed to sitting 2 straight years along with the threat of legal action can sometimes affect how the NCAA views everything. Sometimes they make rulings and don't realize the outrage they may cause.[/quote]
Leaving after the coach you came to play for is fired in July and having to sit two straight years (because the Coach Waiver 'Rule' applies to Freshman only) is bad enough but losing 50% of your remaining eligibility is the true killer that takes this decision to the punitive category with an avatar of a head shaking on the file, imo.[/quote]
In fairness the incoming freshman caveat is a big difference. Remember Dunn has been on campus practicing and enrolled for a full year. An incoming frosh has none of those things. The big difference is if the coaching change for an incoming frosh happens in say March or April then there is no issue. Because at that point an incoming frosh is still completing their senior year in high school they are not enrolled at college yet. Summer classes have not started. Therefore they don't need to transfer. They just need to get a release from their NLI and choose another school with no transfer penalty. Whereas with Dunn whether the coaching change happens in March or June makes no difference, his would still be a transfer because he was already enrolled for the prior year. That is why it is a HUGE difference.[/quote]
Where this makes ZERO sense is there are players getting waivers who PLAYED last year and have no public facing harship story.
This kid sat out an entire year because the NCAA dumb transfer policy. Then the coach was fired very late and he chose to go home. It just doesn't add up when you look at it compared to the rest.
That's why again I say 1 free transfer. Everyone should get 1. Use it like Steere, use it like Dunn, use it like Max Hooper I don't care. If people think that it would be the wild west its pretty much that right now.[/quote]
I was just speaking about the new rule and why it doesn't cover Dunn.
As for the NCAA inconsistency I don't doubt there is probably that going on. But I don't know all the facts on the others so I don't want to jump to conclusions.
For example Quentin Grimes transferred from Kansas to Houston and got a waiver. What was his grounds? Kansas essentially had no available scholarship for him.. He had declared for the NBA, went thru pre-draft camps and then withdrew. Problem was Kansas had moved on and used his scholarship. So he literally could not go back to Kansas. On those grounds the NCAA gave him immediate eligibility. Is that stronger grounds then Dunn, probably not.[/quote]
That's a great point: Quentin Grimes could've sat out at Houston and not have lost any remaining eligibility. Good example of the inconsistency and arbitrariness found often in NCAA decisions.
And I like Moose's idea of 1 'free transfer', i.e., for 'any' reason. Coaches move often for the love o' Mike, or is it $$$, lol.[/quote]
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...r-baker-receives-waiver-eligible-immediately/[/quote]
Another circumstance.
Baker had redshirted due to injury-surgery his freshman year. So he did not redshirt by choice you can say. So his argument was should he have to sit another year when he already burned his redshirt year not because he chose to transfer or chose to sit but because of injury? And the NCAA essentially threw him a bone.
