@Providence, Tue., Feb. 13, 7p, CBSSN

So in the light of a new day:

1. There is such a thing as "overcoaching' and IMHO that is what Pitino did with some of his "strategic" decisions at the beginning of the game.

2. It was encouraging to see the team come back from the deficit by combination of better coaching decisions, some heart and toughness, and water finding its level WRT Providence shooting.

3. I disagree with most posters about the game Luis played. I thought that he took away almost as much as he contributed with this game's batch of bonehead plays. A bit more on this in #5.

4. I disagree with most posters about Soriano, generally. I do not completely absolve Joel of responsibility but from a practical standpoint nobody other than Dunlap and sometimes Ledlum seems interested or capable of actually getting him the ball in the post. Nor is there anything designed for that - again a bit more on this in #5.

5. It is clear what Pitino wants - a team that presses, gets turnovers, has a rim-protecting center, plays tough man-to-man or help defense, and shoots a ton of 3s. In his effort to play the game he wants to play with the team he actually has, he has hitched his wagon to Jenkins and Luis who he views as athletic creators. This also probably accounts for the lack of consistency in playing time and rotation as he keeps reshuffling the cards he has to find a hand he likes.

IMHO the insistence on trying to play the hand you want instead of the hand you have has (like RJ Luis) hurt more than it has helped. You have a team with a top-3 center in the league, but you dont' play through him and make little effort to get the ball into the post. The 3 point shooters you have are not athletic, so you don't play them or dont' run anything to create open looks for spot-up 3s. You overutilize a PG who is disinclined to pass, exacerbating the problem of your non-athletic shooters. You rely on Luis who has undeniable ability but makes unwatchable mistakes. You can't stop anyone on the dribble, but keep pressing anyway. I could go on, but the point is that the coach is trying to play a game that his current roster does not match. It works well enough to be consistently competitive, but not well enough to consistently win.

6. I remain of the opinion that the team has been about what I expected. The at Providence and at Butler games were the only remaining margin for error, and now it is only the at-Butler game. They have to beat Seton Hall and Creighton at home, win the other DePaul game and the 2 Georgetown games, and they will remain a bubble team, which is what they were always going to be. But clearly I was never as high on the Pitino Factor as most, so that probably accounts for my lack of surprise at how the season has played out.
 
IMHO the insistence on trying to play the hand you want instead of the hand you have has (like RJ Luis) hurt more than it has helped. You have a team with a top-3 center in the league, but you dont' play through him and make little effort to get the ball into the post. The 3 point shooters you have are not athletic, so you don't play them or dont' run anything to create open looks for spot-up 3s. You overutilize a PG who is disinclined to pass, exacerbating the problem of your non-athletic shooters. You rely on Luis who has undeniable ability but makes unwatchable mistakes. You can't stop anyone on the dribble, but keep pressing anyway. I could go on, but the point is that the coach is trying to play a game that his current roster does not match. It works well enough to be consistently competitive, but not well enough to consistently win.
yea this has been the shocker for me this year. Idk what exactly I expected when getting Pitino, but I figured he would be a coach who could identify what his team does well, and focus on the team playing to their strengths.

Instead we have gotten hardheaded Rick, who continues to try to stuff a square peg into a round hole with this roster. It is so strange to me. And has been the biggest letdown of this season, outside of maybe the disappearance of Jordan Dingle
 
One play last night that is very revealing to me regarding feeding Soriano. If I picked it correctly out of the play-by- play it was at the 7:38 mark, SJU was down 5 and resulted in a Jenkins TO.
Anyway, the play; Soriano established position, Oduro was on his back, Jenkins threw him a bounce pass but instead of bending, getting low, establishing contact withthe defender and holding position while meeting the ball, Soriano stood up, backed up, allowing Oduro to reach around and deflect the pass, Providence steal. Soriano neither fights for nor holds hard position. Doesn’t give a good target, nor does he catch the ball very well. In short, he is not a go to center and he wasn’t last year. He got his points almost completely in the flow of the game, either when shots came his way or on follow ups. And that is not a bad thing at all, it is great to have players who can score that way.
But this idea that he is a guy to build your offense around I think is not at all what he is. And I think the stuff that Pitino tried to sell about what Soriano was going to be has turned into a big negative for that very reason.
 
I notice that allot of posters say that “we are not a second half team”. Well does not a coaches half time adjustments usually account for what a second half team is?? I’ve seen many good half time adjustments this year, unfortunately none that have made much of an impact on our team which leads me conclude that…..

A. Our kids are not listening
B. Our kids have lost confidence that they can get it done.
C. Our kids don’t possess the skill set to get it done.
D. Whatever adjustments are made are not working or the adjustments by the other coaching staffs have been better.

Or a combination of all of the above. I’m leaning to B or D.
 
Those guys are surrounded by Big East level talents, though.

As I said elsewhere, we have nothing but guys like that, on our team. There's a difference.
Spencer and Schierman would easily be our best players on the team right now. They'd be our go-to guys, and we'd probably be on the right side of the bubble. I don't really get your point.
 
Spencer and Schierman would easily be our best players on the team right now. They'd be our go-to guys, and we'd probably be on the right side of the bubble. I don't really get your point.
But that's the problem. Schierman would be our best player. On Creighton, he's probably third best, behind Alexander and Kalkbrenner. Maybe he has better numbers, but those guys are Big East talents.

To say Spencer is surrounded by Big East talents would be an understatement. Who knows how good he would be, trying to carry a Big East team mostly by himself?

Those type of talents can make players like Spencer and Schierman better.
 
Latest from Zach:

few thoughts as this season continues to head in the wrong direction.





-- Start Simeon Wilcher at the two. Give the kid a shot. Thought he played well yesterday.





-- Joel Soriano's downward spiral is stunning. He's become a defensive liability. Had no chance against Josh Oduro last night.





-- This team is now 3-8 in games when the margin is six or fewer with five minutes to go or less. Stunning.





-- 2-8 in Quad 1 games. They have led in six of those losses at halftime.





-- Bottom line with this team in my opinion: They aren't good enough. They play hard, they battle, but they can't get over the hump.
 
But that's the problem. Schierman would be our best player. On Creighton, he's probably third best, behind Alexander and Kalkbrenner. Maybe he has better numbers, but those guys are Big East talents.

To say Spencer is surrounded by Big East talents would be an understatement. Who knows how good he would be, trying to carry a Big East team mostly by himself?

Those type of talents can make players like Spencer and Schierman better.
That's right, but I also think those guys are good players in their own right. Spencer was awesome at Rutgers last year. They made the NIT, but he still shot 40+ from 3pt. He was the least of their problems last year.

If we had 6 guys who were as good as Spencer/Schierman, we would be a top 25 team.
 
Latest from Zach:

few thoughts as this season continues to head in the wrong direction.





-- Start Simeon Wilcher at the two. Give the kid a shot. Thought he played well yesterday.





-- Joel Soriano's downward spiral is stunning. He's become a defensive liability. Had no chance against Josh Oduro last night.





-- This team is now 3-8 in games when the margin is six or fewer with five minutes to go or less. Stunning.





-- 2-8 in Quad 1 games. They have led in six of those losses at halftime.





-- Bottom line with this team in my opinion: They aren't good enough. They play hard, they battle, but they can't get over the hump.
Re:

1. Backup QB syndrome wrt Wilcher. We've been pushing for lineup changes, we get it, and then we push for those guys to get replaced.

2. Soriano always stunk on defense. He just used to have the offensive game to more than negate that. I think, if he had to do it over again, I think he would have left with the prior group. He seems to need a coach who can criticize, but also provide encouragement, and show confidence in him. Clearly, Rick is not that. Not either one's fault, but they probably just don't mix.

No comment on 3 and 4. It is what it is.

5. Definitely short on Big East level talent this year. We need lateral transfers in the portal, not guys coming from the Ivy League and MAAC. You can live with one or two guys like that, but you can't build your whole team around it.
 
Providence played with more fire and intensity (on the coach) and deserved to win more than we did .

Each team had lapses, we had more than they did (on the coach).


Some bonehead plays by us reminded me of our teams coached by CMA, Mullin, Norm, not FF, Jarvis, or Lavin. Not Hall of Fame Coach, LC, but we have a present HoF coach, so why?
 
5. Definitely short on Big East level talent this year. We need lateral transfers in the portal, not guys coming from the Ivy League and MAAC. You can live with one or two guys like that, but you can't build your whole team around it.
Think an entire year to evaluate / identify / recruit will pay a lot of dividends. We will get the Studs needed for success next year.
 
-- Start Simeon Wilcher at the two. Give the kid a shot. Thought he played well yesterday.

-- This team is now 3-8 in games when the margin is six or fewer with five minutes to go or less. Stunning.
Comments on two points, and they are from Zach Brazilier, not jerseyshorejohnny, I inadvertently deleted that;
I agree Wilcher should start but I would put him at point, slide Jenkins to the 2.
The point about closing games, if that is stunning to him, it refutes his point about not enough talent.
 
I want to live or die with Dingle and Alleyne. I can accept losing like that. I cannot accept an A-10 combo guard that can’t defend his position dictating how our season ends.

This feels like Hardy’s junior year with Norm to be. Put the goddamn ball in Dingle’s hands and let it move. Why doesn’t Soriano screen for him? Change that immediately.
 
I’d say the same thing if I was coaching against him.
These comments came AFTER playing them for the last time in the post game presser and he's a fifth year senior. He had nothing to gain. Its just his opinion. The same opinion of every announcer, podcaster and sportscaster I've heard all season by the way. Only you and your personal vendetta know better. Kolek knew the right timing to talk about chicken too.
 
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