Some takeaways from this game . Dixon played 3 minutes . Looked like he was pulled early in first half after losing Powell on a 3 pointer . Many have commented about his poor D in the early games . Not playing him to give respite to Ponds or Simon seemingly indicated Staff’s unhappiness with his play . Of course , if he was injured that is a different story . I thought Figgy was pulled in first half and didn’t return because he seemed injured on that ferocious dunk . He seemed to land funny . Of course , he had 2 fouls early so his benching might have been related . Figgy should have seen the ball more in the last 9 minutes as Ponds stopped being the playmaker and decided he would shoot from anywhere . 2-13 for him was a poor , poor game . And , does he show a degree of non chalance at critical times or, was he just exhausted ? He had zero points in the first half but, gave up countless shots in lieu of passing for buckets . He really didn’t take shots until late in the second half and was brutal in hitting them , 2-13 is just awful . Lastly , the 2 missed free throws by Ponds and Heron were game changers and while the Figgy Call was terrible. Officiating , it should.nkt have come down to the last. Possession . Lastly , winning on the Road is difficult , it makes winning at home crucial . We will see on Tuesday .
(POST-GAME) @Seton Hall (Pru Ctr), Sat. Dec. 29, 8:30p, FSN / 570AM
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Interestingly enough, if memory serves me correctly, the first sub in the second half was Williams. He played well in the limited minutes that he played. Getting better and better as he gets used to playing at the D-1 level.
Refs stink, they stunk last night, but you control what you can control: your play. And the fact is we have a very experienced team that played disjointed, unintelligent, selfish basketball for the last 8 minutes of that game. A good team plays possession by possession to not let the game come down to one refs call or one illegal sunbstitution because blaming that game on the refs is for losers (talking the team, coaches and players, not fans). The fact is we have real talent and don’t play like it; too many wasted possessions, too many bad shots and poor decisions. I am not putting this all on Ponds by any means but he is suddenly a pass first or pass only player until crunch time now? Clark continues to give away 2/3 fouls a game for nothing? Simon winds up leading the team in shots taken (with Ponds)? I have preached patience with Mullin like I have with all our revolving door of coaches since Louie retired but the fact is we have legitimate talent that beat themselves last night, plain and simple. I guess this is my first real shot at Mullin and co. but we beat ourselves with selfish unfocused, playground ball down the stretch. We dodged several bullets going 12-0 yet it appears we didn’t learn much from that. Nobody to blame but themselves for last night, nobody. If we lose because we are small, we lose because we are small but we didn’t lose last night because we are small, intelligent, focused basketball had us ahead for the majority of the game, then we beat ourselves. It was only one game, but good teams get beat, they don’t beat themselves.
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rawdognyc
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I know it doesn't matter. However, I watched the last play on slow-mo. The foul was called with 0.7 left on the clock. I ask better basketball minds then mine on he board, do we with 0.7 seconds left, have a chance to quickly call a time out (had 1 remaining) and set up a final play? The refs only put 0.4 seconds on the clock, but from what I could see it should've been more time. Obviously just grasping for straws to take the pain of this game away, but wanting to know what others think. Thanks [attachment=597]Screenshot_20181230-043949~2.png[/attachment]
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[quote="rawdognyc" post=310508]I know it doesn't matter. However, I watched the last play on slow-mo. The foul was called with 0.7 left on the clock. I ask better basketball minds then mine on he board, do we with 0.7 seconds left, have a chance to quickly call a time out (had 1 remaining) and set up a final play? The refs only put 0.4 seconds on the clock, but from what I could see it should've been more time. Obviously just grasping for straws to take the pain of this game away, but wanting to know what others think. Thanks [attachment=597]Screenshot_20181230-043949~2.png[/attachment][/quote]
For remaining time, it's when the ball goes into the basket. Not when it leaves the player's hands.
Edit: sorry, there was a foul. Yeah....... unbelievable how much they got wrong.
For remaining time, it's when the ball goes into the basket. Not when it leaves the player's hands.
Edit: sorry, there was a foul. Yeah....... unbelievable how much they got wrong.
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Shamorie Ponds
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That one on me.. My fault SJU we will bounce back believe that
This replay view is so clear
https://mobile.twitter.com/KenuteJHammond/status/1079243134637355009
@ShamorieP
7h
That one on me.. My fault SJU we will bounce back believe that
This replay view is so clear
https://mobile.twitter.com/KenuteJHammond/status/1079243134637355009
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=310510]Shamorie Ponds
@ShamorieP
7h
That one on me.. My fault SJU we will bounce back believe that
This replay view is so clear
https://mobile.twitter.com/KenuteJHammond/status/1079243134637355009[/quote]
From my old school perspective bad comment bringing up the replay. To repeat my opinion, SJU coaches and players lost that game, not the refs. Watched it a second time and it is easy to pick apart all the bad play down the stretch but I can’t get over the last 3. There is NO WAY a defender should have to close like that on a shooter on an out of bounds play with 3 seconds left unless he is coming out of a double team. Just a blatant example of unfocused, unintelligent basketball. Having said that, that is one of the worst calls I have ever seen because the ref had an unobstructed view and just made a bad call. But instead of being able tcorrect an obvious obvious too quick whistle with a common sense correction, replay rules dictate the officials go to an insulting BS explanation and continue the downward spiral replay has had on sports. Forget all the replay rules, if you want to have it let the refs look and correct mistakes or add clarity, not just add confusion and obfuscation.
@ShamorieP
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That one on me.. My fault SJU we will bounce back believe that
This replay view is so clear
https://mobile.twitter.com/KenuteJHammond/status/1079243134637355009[/quote]
From my old school perspective bad comment bringing up the replay. To repeat my opinion, SJU coaches and players lost that game, not the refs. Watched it a second time and it is easy to pick apart all the bad play down the stretch but I can’t get over the last 3. There is NO WAY a defender should have to close like that on a shooter on an out of bounds play with 3 seconds left unless he is coming out of a double team. Just a blatant example of unfocused, unintelligent basketball. Having said that, that is one of the worst calls I have ever seen because the ref had an unobstructed view and just made a bad call. But instead of being able tcorrect an obvious obvious too quick whistle with a common sense correction, replay rules dictate the officials go to an insulting BS explanation and continue the downward spiral replay has had on sports. Forget all the replay rules, if you want to have it let the refs look and correct mistakes or add clarity, not just add confusion and obfuscation.
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The refs huddled for so long until they found an excuse for their inadvertent whistle. Who is going to believe them? Not even the Seton Hall fan . Why was the ball taken out from the side court after they determined the previous play was void . The ball was to be taken out from the previous spot the very end court , they also made it easier for SH to inbound.
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=310486][quote="Jaden Daly" post=310483]http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2018/12/st-johns-14-point-lead-disappears-as.html[/quote]
Stu Jackson's statement that it was a "timing issue" is insulting. That's just false.[/quote]
Total BS. If whistle was blown because the clock hadn’t started, play should have resumed with 3.9 from the same exact spot and withe same exact lineup. Stu should get his foot out of his mouth before he tries to speak.
Stu Jackson's statement that it was a "timing issue" is insulting. That's just false.[/quote]
Total BS. If whistle was blown because the clock hadn’t started, play should have resumed with 3.9 from the same exact spot and withe same exact lineup. Stu should get his foot out of his mouth before he tries to speak.
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=310488]As I was freaking the fuck out the whole ride home I cant help but think this is one of the top 3 worst games ( as far as being angry ) in my years of SJU fandom[/quote]
Funny, SJ losses really eat at me. I go home from the game and my wife says “you can’t win ‘em all”. I just roll my eyes.
Funny, SJ losses really eat at me. I go home from the game and my wife says “you can’t win ‘em all”. I just roll my eyes.
beast of the east
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Here's clarity. Our guys played poorly for the last 8 minutes. They stood around and hoisted shots that the defense gave them, and it allowed SH to climb into the game. Everybody would agree with that. It takes no genius or higher knowledge of the game.
It became a 10 second game.
Seton hall was given 3 possessions to win the game in those last 10 seconds when they should have had 2. Their last shot was a result of a bad decision by a big man on the way to the hoop guarded by 6ft 2 ponds. He passed it to a guy averaging 1.4 mpg. Defenses sag in those moments and villanova won championship 1 by banking on that.
The coaches will reinforce in the next practice that getting to that point with poor play cost them the game but it doesn't change the fact that a horrifically bad whistle when the game should have been over caused this, not what happened before that.
It became a 10 second game.
Seton hall was given 3 possessions to win the game in those last 10 seconds when they should have had 2. Their last shot was a result of a bad decision by a big man on the way to the hoop guarded by 6ft 2 ponds. He passed it to a guy averaging 1.4 mpg. Defenses sag in those moments and villanova won championship 1 by banking on that.
The coaches will reinforce in the next practice that getting to that point with poor play cost them the game but it doesn't change the fact that a horrifically bad whistle when the game should have been over caused this, not what happened before that.
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[quote="Section3" post=310515][quote="JohnnyFan" post=310486][quote="Jaden Daly" post=310483]http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2018/12/st-johns-14-point-lead-disappears-as.html[/quote]
Stu Jackson's statement that it was a "timing issue" is insulting. That's just false.[/quote]
Total BS. If whistle was blown because the clock hadn’t started, play should have resumed with 3.9 from the same exact spot and withe same exact lineup. Stu should get his foot out of his mouth before he tries to speak.[/quote]
Exactly. And, one more point on the offensive "timing issue" excuse. Are we to beleive that in the time between the start of that play and his whistle (probably like 0.5 seconds) the ref was alerted that there was a timing issue? Ridiculous.
Stu Jackson's statement that it was a "timing issue" is insulting. That's just false.[/quote]
Total BS. If whistle was blown because the clock hadn’t started, play should have resumed with 3.9 from the same exact spot and withe same exact lineup. Stu should get his foot out of his mouth before he tries to speak.[/quote]
Exactly. And, one more point on the offensive "timing issue" excuse. Are we to beleive that in the time between the start of that play and his whistle (probably like 0.5 seconds) the ref was alerted that there was a timing issue? Ridiculous.
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The cold hard fact is that the St. John’s vs. Seton Hall game last evening was decided by an erroneous call by a referee.
You can spin and analyze facts leading up to the blow call by the befuddled ref but no game, in any sport should be decided by a blown call by a referee.... last night’s game was.
Last nights unfortunate event supports my theory that is St. John’s men’s basketball is cursed by the basketball gods for changing the sacred “Redmen” name to the pedestrian “Red Storm”.
You can spin and analyze facts leading up to the blow call by the befuddled ref but no game, in any sport should be decided by a blown call by a referee.... last night’s game was.
Last nights unfortunate event supports my theory that is St. John’s men’s basketball is cursed by the basketball gods for changing the sacred “Redmen” name to the pedestrian “Red Storm”.
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It goes along with some of the great unforgettable losses. At least Lou kicked the chair when they called a charge against George Johnson in the final minutes that would have been called a basket and block , and put us ahead against that great 1976 Indiana team in the Holiday Festival. The garden was rocking
mjmaherjr wrote: As I was freaking the fuck out the whole ride home I cant help but think this is one of the top 3 worst games ( as far as being angry ) in my years of SJU fandom.
Couldn't agree more. I can't remember a loss in the past 5 years or so that hurt worse than this one. Yes, the refs call cost us the game, but Shamorie & Mustapha missing those foul shots at crunch time played a big part as did our lack of ball movement in the last 8-10 minutes. We were clearly the better team which is one reason loss hurts so bad. Another reason it hurts is instead of going into Marquette game on a high, it becomes a pressure packed game where a loss turns Georgetwon road game into a must win situation.
Couldn't agree more. I can't remember a loss in the past 5 years or so that hurt worse than this one. Yes, the refs call cost us the game, but Shamorie & Mustapha missing those foul shots at crunch time played a big part as did our lack of ball movement in the last 8-10 minutes. We were clearly the better team which is one reason loss hurts so bad. Another reason it hurts is instead of going into Marquette game on a high, it becomes a pressure packed game where a loss turns Georgetwon road game into a must win situation.
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Usually I just ignore posters that use any trivial moment to complain about the coaching staff and our star players, but some of you make it difficult to read this site. These are teens and 20 year olds, not machines. They took an early lead, controlled the tempo, played for par in the second half and withstood SH’s one and only run on their home court to let the game be decided at the last second. Then Figueroa made a brilliant play to seal the win only to be robbed by officials. That’s what happened.
20 pages of comments have been dedicated thus far to this, with at least 11 of them dominated by posters who seemed to have waited 12 games for proof of their belabored point. These boys bust their asses everyday and got hosed at the end of a game from their deserved win. Get over yourselves.
20 pages of comments have been dedicated thus far to this, with at least 11 of them dominated by posters who seemed to have waited 12 games for proof of their belabored point. These boys bust their asses everyday and got hosed at the end of a game from their deserved win. Get over yourselves.
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For all the complaining about poor play down the stretch , we ALL know that good teams come up big when it matters. On two consecutive possessions LJ came up huge to cleanly block a layup without fouling, and then making an incredible game winning play. No whistle and the piss poor last 8 minutes would be forgotten and we would in euphoria be proclaiming sweet 16 or beyond.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=310518]Here's clarity. Our guys played poorly for the last 8 minutes. They stood around and hoisted shots that the defense gave them, and it allowed SH to climb into the game. Everybody would agree with that. It takes no genius or higher knowledge of the game.
It became a 10 second game.
Seton hall was given 3 possessions to win the game in those last 10 seconds when they should have had 2. Their last shot was a result of a bad decision by a big man on the way to the hoop guarded by 6ft 2 ponds. He passed it to a guy averaging 1.4 mpg. Defenses sag in those moments and villanova won championship 1 by banking on that.
The coaches will reinforce in the next practice that getting to that point with poor play cost them the game but it doesn't change the fact that a horrifically bad whistle when the game should have been over caused this, not what happened before that.[/quote]
Cry about the refs all you want, the players and coaches lost that game, not the refs. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity knows that bad calls happen all the time. You play poorly and keep the other team in the game, you get what you asked for. One call never decides a game, regardless of when it is made. Our poor play made that poor call everything and that is on the team.
It became a 10 second game.
Seton hall was given 3 possessions to win the game in those last 10 seconds when they should have had 2. Their last shot was a result of a bad decision by a big man on the way to the hoop guarded by 6ft 2 ponds. He passed it to a guy averaging 1.4 mpg. Defenses sag in those moments and villanova won championship 1 by banking on that.
The coaches will reinforce in the next practice that getting to that point with poor play cost them the game but it doesn't change the fact that a horrifically bad whistle when the game should have been over caused this, not what happened before that.[/quote]
Cry about the refs all you want, the players and coaches lost that game, not the refs. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity knows that bad calls happen all the time. You play poorly and keep the other team in the game, you get what you asked for. One call never decides a game, regardless of when it is made. Our poor play made that poor call everything and that is on the team.
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