(POST GAME) @Seton Hall, Fri. Dec. 11, 4:30p, CBS SN / 570 AM WMCA

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[quote="Vinny" post=407834]I know it's 1 B.E. game and there's a long way to go but after one B.E. game here I am hoping for .500 conference record and a bubble spot for NIT berth.[/quote]

I think that’s fair given what we’ve seen so far in this young season. Curious to hear from others — if we do finish toward the bottom of the conference and with the current recruiting class coming in, do you think there is reason for concern?
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=407866]As others have stated, we do need an influx of talent here. But, CMA has only been here a little over a year. You don’t get that influx of talent after one full recruiting cycle. We were lucky to get Champagnie. I think CMA will get it done here as he always has and I have faith in guys like Van Macon and DeMeo to get us some players. It will take 2 or 3 recruiting cycles. That being said, I believe this team will improve the same way last seasons team did. I just hope that we don’t dig ourselves as big a hole before we finally turn that corner.[/quote]

CMA has more or less completed his 3rd recruiting cycle. I realize that his 1st recruiting cycle was a short one. However so were Norm's, Lavin's and Chris's. The large majority of the high school/prep school kids who have committed here over the 3 recruiting cycles are ranked in the 200-400 range or lower, and were mostly being recruited by mid majors. Except for Cuffe Jr, I don't see us in the mix with any high ranked kids for 2021 or 2022. If I did, I'd feel better that the talent level may be trending in the right direction.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=407872][quote="Vinny" post=407834]I know it's 1 B.E. game and there's a long way to go but after one B.E. game here I am hoping for .500 conference record and a bubble spot for NIT berth.[/quote]

I think that’s fair given what we’ve seen so far in this young season. Curious to hear from others — if we do finish toward the bottom of the conference and with the current recruiting class coming in, do you think there is reason for concern?[/quote]

.500 really?

So take these 7 teams that are consensus best 7 coming into season: Nova, UCONN, Creighton, Marquette, Xavier, SHU and PC. That is 14 games assuming everything happens with Covid. What is realistic in terms of W/L over those 14 games? Seriously for me 3-11 maybe 4-10?

I don’t know maybe I am delusional but I know what I see and I know what was predicted. 5-15, 6-14 season. Again I hope to God I am wrong but tyey gave 1 decent win over BC who is like 1-5 now.
 
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[quote="Robert Katz" post=407840]Will Champ get frustrated and transfer?[/quote]
Really?
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=407847]The amount of negativity on this board after a loss is staggering...always...and then false “facts” are thrown around, talent levels judged by “experts”, and on and on. Seton Hall was picked to finish in the upper half of the league and played that way at home, yet we were still in the game late. How did that happen? Were we lucky with a bunch of “role players”?

Guys, we all watched last year. Anderson has a complicated scheme that takes time for players to learn. It’s a process, but we will get better and we already saw signs yesterday in pockets that the team is catching on. Half the team is new to this level of play and we didn’t have a full set of practices or preseason to get fully acclimated. It will come, and I believe sooner than it did a year ago.

No excuses for our defense on Mamu yesterday. It was horrible but I fully expect us to be much better the next time we play them. And no excuses for the lack of pg dribble penetration yesterday. Again, horrible with only 10 FT attempts vs a team that had 1 block in the game. Fixable when Dunn plays more, and as Posh learns what works in this league. When that part of our game gets better, then Cole and Williams and possibly even Wusu will have much better looks.

Anyway, I’m not giving up on this team, this coach or the talent level. We will get better and soon. Looking for adjustments tomorrow to tighten up the defense some more, including getting our bigs to stay home down low. And I expect much better guard play as these guys continue to learn to play together and learn this system. I’m sure I’ll get hammered for this post. I don’t care. Looking forward to the growth process with this team. We are St John’s !!![/quote]
Well stated
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407848]Our half court game on both ends has left a lot to be desired.

Offensively we don’t put pressure on the defense. We take what is given to us and get very few easy looks. The shots we do take are mostly after our guys realize they are open, opposed to being ready to score before you get the ball. Need to do a much better job getting our best players in scoring positions, e.g. Cole off a screen to catch and shoot, champ isolation at the elbow.

Think about all the possessions we have on the defensive end where we need to have 2,3 sometimes 4 different close outs. We have to scramble constantly once teams settle down in the half court and teams end up getting open looks from deep or dump offs in the paint. We are never forcing teams to scramble, rotate and provide help on their end. Some of that is personnel, but a lot of it is approach. A great start would be stopping dribble penetration on D and getting some of our own on O. Easier said than Dunn, but hopefully he helps.

Long story short, in the half court, other teams are dictating shots on both ends.[/quote]
In spite of criticism that Cole has received (premature and underserved IMO), i think he has demonstrated the ability to make tough shots off the dribble, I think he will need to do more of it. His shot total should go up.

As you note above, Alexander, for some reason, didn’t penetrate at all last night. Both he and Dunn are capable of getting to the hole or dishing off. We need to get our fair share of FTs. For the 1st time in a while, FT shooting is a weapon for us.
 
Fordham, I think this team will be better than last year’s because we have more talent and half the team is in their second year in this system. We won 3 games last year against the group you mention, so I’m expecting 4 or 5 against that group this year, and another 3-5 against the rest (Depaul, Gtown, UConn, Butler). That puts us in the 7-10 win range. I agree that 10 wins is a big jump, but going from 5-13 to 8-12 or even 9-11 is not unrealistic with this group.
 
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As well as Champ played yesterday, the times his defensive responsibility was Mamu were far from works of art. Some might say pretty horrible. Very disappointed we never made an adjustment on Mamu to slow him down even a little bit. All the defenders on Mamu never caught on to his spinning moves, always trailing him of the dribble, etc. From the start of the game. Surprised not one of the coaches figured out a solution. As I stated during the game string yesterday, 2 of Champ, Cole and Williams need to be on the court at all times, especially until Posh's offense catches up to his defense. Dunn looked good, and will need to be a major contributor on the offensive side going forward. Moor's defense is really bad. If he is not contributing on the offensive side, is there a place for him? Is Nyiwe really an interior defensive presence? If not, we are cooked. I also believe our depth is not really a truth. We have 9 Players that can contribute in various ways at this level. Maybe Nyiwe gives us a 10th.
 
[quote="Section3" post=407889][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407848]Our half court game on both ends has left a lot to be desired.

Offensively we don’t put pressure on the defense. We take what is given to us and get very few easy looks. The shots we do take are mostly after our guys realize they are open, opposed to being ready to score before you get the ball. Need to do a much better job getting our best players in scoring positions, e.g. Cole off a screen to catch and shoot, champ isolation at the elbow.

Think about all the possessions we have on the defensive end where we need to have 2,3 sometimes 4 different close outs. We have to scramble constantly once teams settle down in the half court and teams end up getting open looks from deep or dump offs in the paint. We are never forcing teams to scramble, rotate and provide help on their end. Some of that is personnel, but a lot of it is approach. A great start would be stopping dribble penetration on D and getting some of our own on O. Easier said than Dunn, but hopefully he helps.

Long story short, in the half court, other teams are dictating shots on both ends.[/quote]
In spite of criticism that Cole has received (premature and underserved IMO), i think he has demonstrated the ability to make tough shots off the dribble, I think he will need to do more of it. His shot total should go up.

As you note above, Alexander, for some reason, didn’t penetrate at all last night. Both he and Dunn are capable of getting to the hole or dishing off. We need to get our fair share of FTs. For the 1st time in a while, FT shooting is a weapon for us.[/quote]

Agree on Cole. Like his offensive game a lot. Him Williams and Champ as a 2,3,4 is a good offensive core. Posh and Dunn need to learn to compliment each other and how to best make the above 3 players better offensive threats. The 5 position is of course where the biggest question lies. Watching the tapes of our newest recruit I do not see a center. I see another forward, maybe he’ll be better suited to bang than Moore but I don’t have big expectations for him regarding fixing our interior defensive needs.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=407893]As well as Champ played yesterday, the times his defensive responsibility was Mamu were far from works of art. Some might say pretty horrible. Very disappointed we never made an adjustment on Mamu to slow him down even a little bit. All the defenders on Mamu never caught on to his spinning moves, always trailing him of the dribble, etc. From the start of the game. Surprised not one of the coaches figured out a solution. As I stated during the game string yesterday, 2 of Champ, Cole and Williams need to be on the court at all times, especially until Posh's offense catches up to his defense. Dunn looked good, and will need to be a major contributor on the offensive side going forward. Moor's defense is really bad. If he is not contributing on the offensive side, is there a place for him? Is Nyiwe really an interior defensive presence? If not, we are cooked. I also believe our depth is not really a truth. We have 9 Players that can contribute in various ways at this level. Maybe Nyiwe gives us a 10th.[/quote]



Probably the worst defensive effort against the opposition's best player. Needed to double team Mamu,keep the ball out of his hands, no one else seemed to be a threat. Molson's points and free throws came at the end of the game.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=407893]As well as Champ played yesterday, the times his defensive responsibility was Mamu were far from works of art. Some might say pretty horrible. Very disappointed we never made an adjustment on Mamu to slow him down even a little bit. All the defenders on Mamu never caught on to his spinning moves, always trailing him of the dribble, etc. From the start of the game. Surprised not one of the coaches figured out a solution. As I stated during the game string yesterday, 2 of Champ, Cole and Williams need to be on the court at all times, especially until Posh's offense catches up to his defense. Dunn looked good, and will need to be a major contributor on the offensive side going forward. Moor's defense is really bad. If he is not contributing on the offensive side, is there a place for him? Is Nyiwe really an interior defensive presence? If not, we are cooked. I also believe our depth is not really a truth. We have 9 Players that can contribute in various ways at this level. Maybe Nyiwe gives us a 10th.[/quote]

Probably best to assume Nyiwe if cleared soon will be rusty. He has not played for a while and will need to get in game shape IMO.
 
People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

I was critical of a lot of posters say9ing oh this 2-3 star low ranked recruit is perfect for CMAs system. We beat out mid majors for a reason and now people are saying oh we need more talent. Of course we do, talent always wins out. Thats why there are rankings. Of course some rankings are going to be off and some ranked low prove themselves to be studs but for the most part rankings are pretty accurate. We have recruited poorly under CMA. We need way better talent.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

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Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

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Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

So we are going to constantly wait until they are upperclassmen to be good? Im just tired of the excuses. If we lose people say players have to get acclimated to his system or say something else. Hes a coach he develops well and has won elsewhere. He hasn't proven to me that he can recruit here to have continued success yet. Its frustrating watching his system. We need talented players who can score in the half court and not one dimensional players
 
I’m more concerned that our in game coaching is not taking advantage of our strengths.
 
[quote="Knight" post=407908]I’m more concerned that our in game coaching is not taking advantage of our strengths.[/quote]

Also agree with you on this Knight. Too many frustrating decisions made
 
[quote="MainMan" post=407832][quote="Logen" post=407828]Outside of Alexander and Dunn, I don’t see many junkyard dogs out there, just my opinion.[/quote]

Wusu was terrible on offense but the kid busted his tail guarding a 6'10 All-BE for the final 10 minutes.
And Champ did everything out there, seemed to be the only helpside defender and worked hard to score on the baseline.[/quote]

Valid point on Wusu but 10 minutes is 10 minutes, not 6 games. I disagree on Champagnie, obviously he has improved leaps and bounds on offense, on that I will agree.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=407907][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

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Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

So we are going to constantly wait until they are upperclassmen to be good? Im just tired of the excuses. If we lose people say players have to get acclimated to his system or say something else. Hes a coach he develops well and has won elsewhere. He hasn't proven to me that he can recruit here to have continued success yet. Its frustrating watching his system. We need talented players who can score in the half court and not one dimensional players[/quote]

No man we won’t have to constantly wait for his own recruits to be upperclassmen once he has his own upperclassmen.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=407907][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

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Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

So we are going to constantly wait until they are upperclassmen to be good? Im just tired of the excuses. If we lose people say players have to get acclimated to his system or say something else. Hes a coach he develops well and has won elsewhere. He hasn't proven to me that he can recruit here to have continued success yet. Its frustrating watching his system. We need talented players who can score in the half court and not one dimensional players[/quote]

I'm tired of the losing to start the b.e. conf year, lavin, Chris, now Mike. Why is it the case.
Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall.
He said in his own words that he wants to win a championship here.
You need more talented recruits to do that.
 
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