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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407911][quote="TheArtest15" post=407907][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

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Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

So we are going to constantly wait until they are upperclassmen to be good? Im just tired of the excuses. If we lose people say players have to get acclimated to his system or say something else. Hes a coach he develops well and has won elsewhere. He hasn't proven to me that he can recruit here to have continued success yet. Its frustrating watching his system. We need talented players who can score in the half court and not one dimensional players[/quote]

No man we won’t have to constantly wait for his own recruits to be upperclassmen once he has his own upperclassmen.[/quote]

I do agree with you on that. But he always says his system takes a while to learn. All im saying is that I don't feel like being frustrated every november- January and wait for a team every year to gel in February march. Every team will have new players every year. All Im saying is we rely so much on his system right now because our talent level is lower than the other teams in the big east. We have to rely on his system and turning over other teams for us to be able to score a lot of the time. If we had better talent we could still use his system but also be able to score in the half court.

Just my thoughts
 
The history of the program in the past is causing frustration in the present. We have upgraded the AD, the Coach and staff, and now the President of SJU. Nice to see, but some of us are running out of years to enjoy a long rebuild. Patience is tough.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

.[/quote]
Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

I agree with you 100% on this Mase. We are incorporating 5 new guys into CMA’s system who are playing big minutes. That’s why this season will likely mirror last season when the team improved incrementally and was playing really well in February and March. Next season will be different as 10 of the 13 players will be returning and you will not have this adjustment period. They can just hit the ground running. Actually, I was looking at next season to be the real breakthrough season for us under CMA and not this season. Although, with more talent on this years team, towards the latter quarter of this season I expect this team to be better than last years team was at that point.
 
Knight- you said it well

All positives. Just yearning for a winner years going by

Sju could have owned the city with the knicks being irrelevant
 
We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=407913][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407911][quote="TheArtest15" post=407907][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

.[/quote]
Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

So we are going to constantly wait until they are upperclassmen to be good? Im just tired of the excuses. If we lose people say players have to get acclimated to his system or say something else. Hes a coach he develops well and has won elsewhere. He hasn't proven to me that he can recruit here to have continued success yet. Its frustrating watching his system. We need talented players who can score in the half court and not one dimensional players[/quote]

No man we won’t have to constantly wait for his own recruits to be upperclassmen once he has his own upperclassmen.[/quote]

I do agree with you on that. But he always says his system takes a while to learn. All im saying is that I don't feel like being frustrated every november- January and wait for a team every year to gel in February march. Every team will have new players every year. All Im saying is we rely so much on his system right now because our talent level is lower than the other teams in the big east. We have to rely on his system and turning over other teams for us to be able to score a lot of the time. If we had better talent we could still use his system but also be able to score in the half court.

Just my thoughts[/quote]

And I agree with you that I don’t want to wait till February to have a team playing good ball. I just don’t have the same concerns about the recruits he’s brought in. Do this same class 4 years in a row and I have no doubt he can win here. But it takes time for him to build a roster that fits his system and I’m willing to give a guy with his track record at least 4 recruiting classes.
 
Complaints here seem to be lack of quality recruits and sub par defense. I agree with this but...

My main beef is with the offense. We don’t seem to have one. No pick and roll, no back screens, no alley oops, etc.

We have asst coaches, one who ran his own program in JUCO, another involved in a very talented St. Louis Univ program and a third who has not nine years experience, but the same experience for nine years. Wouldn’t it be nice if between them they could come up with some half court sets. We need something other than what we are doing.

Put your heads together.
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The main reasons for the loss is what is so frustrating. No dependable big man and terrible outside shooting. This is a broken record that goes back further than Anderson. The transfer big last year doesn’t really play and this years doesn’t contribute at all. It appears they leave their talent behind when they enter CA.
It appears you can’t win in college basketball without decent three point pointing and it just seems forever since SJU had a proficient outside shooting team. In one week two 4 for 21 games, Big East teams don’t lose games to teams that shoot like that.
The good news is there may be help in the big man area coming and while he will be rusty as Paultzman wrote he has to be an improvement. The three point shooting will never be good but the backcourt men and wings are talented enough to make up for their lack of outside shooting. It just seems the lack of a decent big and the poor outside shooting makes winning in the Big East a very long shot.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=407915][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=407905][quote="TheArtest15" post=407903]People that are backing CMAs system keep saying oh we have to wait for the players to get used to the system. So you all are ok with playing poorly and digging ourselves in a hole at the start of every season because of this system? Come on. So we are going to have hiccups early every season banking and figuring out a system in February and march? That is a not a recipe for success.

.[/quote]
Not a single player on the roster has played 40 games for CMA. Half of them havnt played 8. We don’t even have a the equivalent of a second semester sophomore in terms of his own recruits. How many guys on seton hall have had more than 16 moths working with Willard? It matters.[/quote]

That’s why this season will likely mirror last season when the team improved incrementally and was playing really well in February and March. [/quote]

Man, some of you on this Board really have rose colored glasses. We were 1-5 in February last year! Yes, we won a few games in March and that’s great. I think the Jets finished last year pretty strong as well.

We did everything we could to blow the game against Marquette and beat a mediocre GTown team in the Big East tourney that ran out of gas. The Creighton win was a good one. But I’ve seen nothing so far this year that gives me any reason to think we will be anything but lower-tiered Big East team. Honestly, does anyone feel differently?

And recruiting is not promising. For the life of me, from everything I’ve read, I can’t understand why we signed our newest recruit.

Hope like heck I’m proven wrong and will gladly eat crow. I know I’m frequently negative on here but that’s truly bc I often don’t have a lot to be positive about.

I do think Anderson is a good coach with a good track record but this is one heck of a difficult job. It’s still early in the season and early in CMA’s tenure and he of course deserves time. But it’s just so darn frustrating. Really hope we beat Gtown tmw. If we don’t, we’re likely in for a really tough season.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.
 
[quote="Jnaw17" post=407890]Fordham, I think this team will be better than last year’s because we have more talent and half the team is in their second year in this system. We won 3 games last year against the group you mention, so I’m expecting 4 or 5 against that group this year, and another 3-5 against the rest (Depaul, Gtown, UConn, Butler). That puts us in the 7-10 win range. I agree that 10 wins is a big jump, but going from 5-13 to 8-12 or even 9-11 is not unrealistic with this group.[/quote]

You can't compare with last year, UCONN wasn't here and Georgetown was projected to be good last year. More talent? LJ left who replaces him that was not here last year?
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=407929][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.[/quote]

Read this north: "Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall."

That says that I'm waiting just like you to see how our next recruiting class turns out. So no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me wth I'm knocking the staff dialy north? Please point out my posts knocking the staff.pp
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=407933][quote="redmannorth" post=407929][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.[/quote]

Read this north: "Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall."

That says that I'm waiting just like you to see how our next recruiting class turns out. So no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me wth I'm knocking the staff dialy north? Please point out my posts knocking the staff.pp[/quote]

The problem is that this should be CMA’s honeymoon period. If we don’t continue to improve, it will be more and more difficult to recruit. Everybody talks about Willard not making the dance his first six years. He was saved by the class headlined by Whitehead. If he didn’t hire Tiny Morton, he likely would have been out of a job years ago.

Can’t stress how critical it is that we continue to show improvement. If that happens, I believe recruiting will pick up. Need to win at least nine Big East games this year to show real tangible progress. Anything else is gravy.
 
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[quote="Boo Harvey" post=407934][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407933][quote="redmannorth" post=407929][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.[/quote]

Read this north: "Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall."

That says that I'm waiting just like you to see how our next recruiting class turns out. So no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me wth I'm knocking the staff dialy north? Please point out my posts knocking the staff.pp[/quote]

The problem is that this should be CMA’s honeymoon period. If we don’t continue to improve, it will be more and more difficult to recruit. Everybody talks about Willard not making the dance his first six years. He was saved by the class headlined by Whitehead. If he didn’t hire Tiny Morton, he likely would have been out of a job years ago.

Can’t stress how critical it is that we continue to show improvement. If that happens, I believe recruiting will pick up. Need to win at least nine Big East games this year to show real tangible progress. Anything else is gravy.[/quote]

In all honesty do you believe this roster is capable of winning 9 big east games? As ive stated in another thread I coach on Long Island and have seen a lot of Pinzon who I like a lot. But he is not a cornerstone piece to a big east recruiting class. He is a solid 3rd guy id say that is a solid player. They need more talent in here. I think Coach Anderson would be extremely successful here if he brought in more high 3 and 4 star kids that he really develops well. We would be in the top 5 in the big east consistently if he brings in a few of those players each year along with high upside recruits he has been bringing in to date.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=407936][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407934][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407933][quote="redmannorth" post=407929][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.[/quote]

Read this north: "Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall."

That says that I'm waiting just like you to see how our next recruiting class turns out. So no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me wth I'm knocking the staff dialy north? Please point out my posts knocking the staff.pp[/quote]

The problem is that this should be CMA’s honeymoon period. If we don’t continue to improve, it will be more and more difficult to recruit. Everybody talks about Willard not making the dance his first six years. He was saved by the class headlined by Whitehead. If he didn’t hire Tiny Morton, he likely would have been out of a job years ago.

Can’t stress how critical it is that we continue to show improvement. If that happens, I believe recruiting will pick up. Need to win at least nine Big East games this year to show real tangible progress. Anything else is gravy.[/quote]

In all honesty do you believe this roster is capable of winning 9 big east games? As ive stated in another thread I coach on Long Island and have seen a lot of Pinzon who I like a lot. But he is not a cornerstone piece to a big east recruiting class. He is a solid 3rd guy id say that is a solid player. They need more talent in here. I think Coach Anderson would be extremely successful here if he brought in more high 3 and 4 star kids that he really develops well. We would be in the top 5 in the big east consistently if he brings in a few of those players each year along with high upside recruits he has been bringing in to date.[/quote]

I don’t disagree. I just don’t know how he gets those players if we win between five and seven conference games this year, which is very possible. It’s very early and I’m trying to stay optimistic. But based on my evaluation of the talent (for whatever that’s worth), I agree that winning nine conference games will be a tall order.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=407933][quote="redmannorth" post=407929][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921][quote="NCJohnnie" post=407917]We all saw things we didn't like in the Seton Hall game and it's perfectly understandable to critique in game decisions, substitution patterns, players' performances etc.

However, don't get the rush to get down on CMA's system and recruiting. The fact is he has a proven track record of success and SJU is a program that has been more or less in the dumpster for a long time (other than one very good year with Lavs) and will take a little time to bring back. I don't think any of us are looking forward to a 10 year rebuild but a 4 year rebuild is completely understandable under the circumstances. I expect this year to be better than last year and will be very disappointed if we don't dance next year.
Yesterday we played a team we should be able to compete with for midpack in the BE and lost to them on their court in a pretty competitive game. Tomorrow we play a team we should beat on their court. As far as recruiting, CMA is doing a good job getting us ties into local HS programs and I continue to believe that when all is said and done this class, which is his first real recruiting class, will be considered pretty solid when all is said and done. Time will tell, but it sure hasn't told yet.[/quote]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.[/quote]

Read this north: "Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall."

That says that I'm waiting just like you to see how our next recruiting class turns out. So no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me wth I'm knocking the staff dialy north? Please point out my posts knocking the staff./quote]

Oh I guess north can't find those posts of me "knocking the staff daily."
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=407933][quote="redmannorth" post=407929][quote="Boo Harvey" post=407923][quote="EliteBaller K" post=407921]

I think it's fair to want a 4* recruits or2,, in his 4th year.
Everyone else gets them but sju can't? Sorry but I say bs to that.
Lav killed it with his 1st class here, isn't Mike a better game coach? Why can't he?[/quote]

It’s not bs. Somebody previously posted the various schools’ recruits and their corresponding rankings. My recollection is that SJU’s class was ranked dead last.[/quote]

I am not jumping up and down with positive excitement over recruiting but let’s be a little bit fair, this was not CMAs third recruiting class. He was hired in mid To Late April 2019 and did not complete his staff for a few months. He was hired when the 2029 recruiting cycle was over but did his very best to put a team on the floor for November 2019. He got Champagne and Rutherford who both overachieved in everyone’s opinion, Dunn as a late transfer who did the same, McGriff who got hurt and Speeres who played admirably in the little time he had. In other words he got 5 bodies almost no one was interested in. You want to call that his first recruiting class go ahead but that is just to suit your narrative.
To me his first class was Posh, Wusu, Cole and Moore who have all been positive to date and Toro 8 months later who has so far been a disappointment in my opinion. While not outstanding it has been an upgrade and good class so far.
I am pleased with what I consider to be his second class in that the first three kids he signed this fall all fill our needs but the last one leaves me scratching my head and somewhat concerned and confused.
I will wait until fall of 2021 to see how his next class fills out but I am not going to knock the staff daily because we lost to a Seton Hall team with perhaps the best player in the league that we just could not defend. A little bit of patience, but if you can’t have patience just be honest in your criticism of the coach.[/quote]

Read this north: "Last year was his first year, this is his 2nd year, with covid-19 its anything but normal. So, l'll give him a pass.
I'll admit my patience is shot, so i'll disappear before I crucify him
My first complaint will be if next off season he can't get high ranking recruits, it will be his 4th cycle afterall."

That says that I'm waiting just like you to see how our next recruiting class turns out. So no idea what you're talking about.
Tell me wth I'm knocking the staff dialy north? Please point out my posts knocking the staff.pp[/quote]

Good morning EKB.
Some of us go to sleep a little earlier as it is now 5 am and I will leave for work shortly so I was not ignoring your response. I never said you knock the staff daily but it is clear you are very dissatisfied with recruiting. I started my post by saying I am not jumping up and down in excitement over recruiting and I pointed out how he put together a solid first class in grabbing 5 leftovers that no one had any interest in with zero time on the clock. If you want to call that a first recruiting cycle go ahead because it fits your narrative but in my books it just is not fair.
Then you go on to say how your patience is shot and you will disappear but you come back at me a few posts later.
Once again, I am willing to give CMA a fair chance just like I have given every coach a fair chance to prove they are working hard, have a system in place, are trying to reinstore faith in the local high schools and recruiting community and that there is player development. If you don’t wish to good luck to you just be fair in your posts.
Have a nice day.
 
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