(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM

[quote="indyredmen97" post=321443]This team is maddening and Coach Cooley owns us. As much as I hate losing, I’m glad they are spreading it around, for the last 4 years I’ve paid to watch them just no show at Butler.[/quote]

Lots of BE coaches own us.
 
[quote="Monte" post=321598]Pretty sure that was Jeff Ruland that I saw in the lobby before the game


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Good call. That's him.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=321621]Terrible loss today. That said, here are my big picture thoughts on today's scape goats.

Justin Simon.....it's all about patience and shot selection. I am sticking with this kid. He will help us win games in the future.

Keita.....I am disappointed thus far, but I am sticking with him as well. He's a sophomore with about one season's worth of game experience.

Roberts.....opened my eyes today. Shame on Mullin for having him glued to the bench.

Clarke......can't create his own shot, so needs the offense to be clicking. Great teammate, love this guy.[/quote]

I agree. I don't want to be hard on Keita either given his surgery, etc.
A few of us have repeatedly harped about freshmen all season and especially the lack of playing time for Josh. If he leaves it is all on this staff.
I've always said Clark can't create his own sho strictly a catch and shoot player. Poor defender also. Great teammate but I'm sure the walk ons are great teammates also.
The rebounding sucked and it doesn't surprise that Roberts had 4 of the team's 7 offensive rebounds as he hasn't been polluted by Mullin's "no offensive rebounds" philosophy.
Heron injured is a very big problem and can turn into a season ending situation.
Bad luck follows this team. In the end Providence was the hungrier team and was better motivated.
Very bad loss for Mullin at the Garden but the Heron factor played a large part because of our lack of depth.
 
Very disappointing day. We’re not going to beat very many teams with Heron out, LJ out for most of the half with foul trouble, little contributions from Simon and Clark, and Ponds not having a spectacular game. Perfect storm.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=321561][quote="Paultzman" post=321540]Mullin;
“I thought he [Josh Roberts] did a great job. He brought great energy” - Mullin #SJUBB

“I don’t think he should have been the only one playing with that energy”

What motivates these guys then? Just beat Marquette in tough road game & they did not play with energy according to Chris?? Don’t get it.[/quote]

What's to get? They're a joke of a joke, I guess they don't give 2 s* if they make it or not.
If they did then wouldn't they come hard every damn game?
If I'm Chris I send the whole damn starting 5 a message. Start: Roberts, William, Trimble, Earlington, and a walkon.
Keep them in until the under 16minute timeout.

That's suicide right? Well they gotta be sent A FREAKING MESSAGE.
I know most coaches wouldn't have the guts to do that, but I would, it lets them all know: " I do not give a crap who you are, if you don't play hard then you will get benched. Wanna call my bluff? Then go ahead and F around, and see what happens.
I'd be crazy enough to start the whole bench.[/quote]

And you would have a bunch of wackos on a message board saying you should be fired for doing so!
 
[quote="Monte" post=321598]Pretty sure that was Jeff Ruland that I saw in the lobby before the game


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Yup, have met him a number of times at SJU games in his NBA scouting duties
 
This is what happens when players drop out in mid season. It was bad enough we lost Owen's but when dixon left we lost depth and couldn't replace him mid season. Now we got embarrassed by a group of freshmen .I hate to say this but this program is garbage
 
Heron out hurt but that's not why we lost. We lost because of our absolutely hideously disgusting rebounding effort
 
The refs were very hard on us calling touch fouls. I saw providence players pushing our guys and they never caught a foul.i dont think the big east refs like mulling and I think they bend over to call fouls against us. And I keep thinking of the Sexton hall game the refs stole from us too.
 
Agree JNaw, if we lose, we lose, but I just can’t stand seeing us go down essentially without a fight
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=321634][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=321561][quote="Paultzman" post=321540]Mullin;
“I thought he [Josh Roberts] did a great job. He brought great energy” - Mullin #SJUBB

“I don’t think he should have been the only one playing with that energy”

What motivates these guys then? Just beat Marquette in tough road game & they did not play with energy according to Chris?? Don’t get it.[/quote]

What's to get? They're a joke of a joke, I guess they don't give 2 s* if they make it or not.
If they did then wouldn't they come hard every damn game?
If I'm Chris I send the whole damn starting 5 a message. Start: Roberts, William, Trimble, Earlington, and a walkon.
Keep them in until the under 16minute timeout.

That's suicide right? Well they gotta be sent A FREAKING MESSAGE.
I know most coaches wouldn't have the guts to do that, but I would, it lets them all know: " I do not give a crap who you are, if you don't play hard then you will get benched. Wanna call my bluff? Then go ahead and F around, and see what happens.
I'd be crazy enough to start the whole bench.[/quote]

And you would have a bunch of wackos on a message board saying you should be fired for doing so![/quote]

Well what's to lose? Start the starters vs. a last team @ msg and lose by 14, or start your bench and lose by 20?
Both are blowouts right? Atleast you might embarrass the starters by starting the bench, and the starters get motivated to play hard every game the whole game. If not then I start the bench every game?

Hey if I get fired because they won't play hard for me, then you're damn right I'm gonna embarrass them.

Yeah I know Mullin won't get fired, just an example.
 
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Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.

Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.

Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.

Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.

Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.

Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.

Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.

Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me. :)
 
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Living in Albany provides the luxury to hop on a train to Penn Station to take in some St.Johns games. I was not excited with the Mullin hire because of his lack of experience. I fully support the program and the coaching staff, however like others i am waivering on my loyalty. I have made it to the Gtown game and Providence with some buddies that are Duke and Cuse fans. They ask how can i continue to support the team. Today i said i don’t know. What i do know is that this year 4 of the Mullin era and year 4 should show more. We lack depth, coaching improvement, consistence, and take transfers that did not live up to the hype out of hs with the first school they attended. This team will not make the tournament and will not improve in wins next year. I have finally hit my breaking point. Providence is not good this year and good teams win these games. We just can’t improve or get out of our own way.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=321645]Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.

Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.

Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.

Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.

Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.

Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.

Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.

Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me. :)[/quote]

Or maybe all of the above are true. Well, more than maybe.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=321645]Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.

Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.

Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.

Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.

Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.

Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.

Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.

Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me. :)[/quote]

Only 4 BE losses with our starting 5 playing :)
 
[quote="david cross" post=321648]They ask how can I continue to support the team.[/quote]

I'm not going to tell you how you should feel, but unless your friends change their favorite teams often, it's a stupid question to ask of anyone.
 
My dad, a SJU alum and athlete when he attended (before any fan here was born), took me to my first game in 1967. We attended dozens of games together, and watched on TV when he was too old to attend, or called each other after each game when distance prevented us from watching together. The first game after he passed away, i instinctively reached for the phone to call him. So I live and die with St. John's. If you can't handle the tougher times, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
 
The question posed was not about changing teams, it is about why do you continue to support SJU. I can’t answer it any longer. Both Duke and Cuse are good programs. I will not support either, but i also can no longer support the inadequacy that is st johns.

Sincerely,
No longer glutten for punishment
 
Hard to believe but they simply cannot get over the .500 mark in conference play under this staff. Almost psychological.

Remember two years ago they were 1-0, 2-0 and 2-1. This year they were 2-1. That's it in 4 years in terms of the extent to which SJU has been above .500 in the BE,

And it will be delayed at least 1 more week. They will need to beat both Butler and Nova to get over...
 
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