(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM
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I don’t think his shot disappeared. Instead, our ball movement the second half of the Marquette game and today was dreadful. Clark was open many times in this game and we didn’t find him. We flat out didn’t shoot enough threes. Too good from outside to not launch 20-30 threes per game,
Our offense with Keita in the game should be an inside out offense, but we try to run a semi spread offense and teams aren’t buying it. Nobidy will cover Keita and Simon on the perimeter unless they’re hot. We need to adjust. This game was awful. We didn’t play our game. We played theirs. And they suck and play and ugly game of ball.
Our offense with Keita in the game should be an inside out offense, but we try to run a semi spread offense and teams aren’t buying it. Nobidy will cover Keita and Simon on the perimeter unless they’re hot. We need to adjust. This game was awful. We didn’t play our game. We played theirs. And they suck and play and ugly game of ball.
I think it is weirdly bad that Keita didn’t grab one rebound. But the whole team was woeful. I think the comments about Div 3 etc are uncalled for. He’s been disappointing to date no doubt. But he’s gotta be part of the rotation and he’s done some good things off and on in defense. And he showed today he’s not a total negative offensively.
Next year we’ll have more options but for the remainder of the year we need him and Roberts to give us 30 mpg combined. And they have to be told their main purpose is to defend the post snd rebound.
Next year we’ll have more options but for the remainder of the year we need him and Roberts to give us 30 mpg combined. And they have to be told their main purpose is to defend the post snd rebound.
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Every coach should take their paycheck this week put it in a frame and put it in the locker room permanently for team to see and not cash it because they didn't earn it.
Only good part today is on the bronx pale ale line at halftime running into JNAW17 fellow redmen.comer who is great guy
Only good part today is on the bronx pale ale line at halftime running into JNAW17 fellow redmen.comer who is great guy
Not sure if this has been posted yet:
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.
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[quote="redmanwest" post=321594]I think it is weirdly bad that Keita didn’t grab one rebound. But the whole team was woeful. I think the comments about Div 3 etc are uncalled for. He’s been disappointing to date no doubt. But he’s gotta be part of the rotation and he’s done some good things off and on in defense. And he showed today he’s not a total negative offensively.
Next year we’ll have more options but for the remainder of the year we need him and Roberts to give us 30 mpg combined. And they have to be told their main purpose is to defend the post snd rebound.[/quote]
On defense, he seems to be more comfortable against guys who match, or even exceed him, hightwise. Event though Govan had good games against us, he didn't seem to do as much damage with Keita on him. The smaller, quicker big man seems to give him trouble.
Next year we’ll have more options but for the remainder of the year we need him and Roberts to give us 30 mpg combined. And they have to be told their main purpose is to defend the post snd rebound.[/quote]
On defense, he seems to be more comfortable against guys who match, or even exceed him, hightwise. Event though Govan had good games against us, he didn't seem to do as much damage with Keita on him. The smaller, quicker big man seems to give him trouble.
[quote="P Simmons" post=321596]Not sure if this has been posted yet:
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.[/quote]
Wish coaches tool 1/10th the responsibility as Clark. He could teach them something
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.[/quote]
Wish coaches tool 1/10th the responsibility as Clark. He could teach them something
[quote="P Simmons" post=321596]Not sure if this has been posted yet:
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.[/quote]
Every good team at every single level has had a player or players that got the team going. Coaches can only impact the game so much. Players can go so much further in reaching teammates. That has and will always be the case.
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.[/quote]
Every good team at every single level has had a player or players that got the team going. Coaches can only impact the game so much. Players can go so much further in reaching teammates. That has and will always be the case.
ronm
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[quote="redmanwest" post=321594]I think it is weirdly bad that Keita didn’t grab one rebound. But the whole team was woeful. I think the comments about Div 3 etc are uncalled for. He’s been disappointing to date no doubt. But he’s gotta be part of the rotation and he’s done some good things off and on in defense. And he showed today he’s not a total negative offensively.
Next year we’ll have more options but for the remainder of the year we need him and Roberts to give us 30 mpg combined. And they have to be told their main purpose is to defend the post snd rebound.[/quote]
I would not count on anything next year. Remember this was the year we were supposed to have a "deep" bench!
Next year we’ll have more options but for the remainder of the year we need him and Roberts to give us 30 mpg combined. And they have to be told their main purpose is to defend the post snd rebound.[/quote]
I would not count on anything next year. Remember this was the year we were supposed to have a "deep" bench!
[quote="Jnaw17" post=321593]I don’t think his shot disappeared. Instead, our ball movement the second half of the Marquette game and today was dreadful. Clark was open many times in this game and we didn’t find him. We flat out didn’t shoot enough threes. Too good from outside to not launch 20-30 threes per game,
Our offense with Keita in the game should be an inside out offense, but we try to run a semi spread offense and teams aren’t buying it. Nobidy will cover Keita and Simon on the perimeter unless they’re hot. We need to adjust. This game was awful. We didn’t play our game. We played theirs. And they suck and play and ugly game of ball.[/quote] Great seeing you on the bronx pale ale line today
Our offense with Keita in the game should be an inside out offense, but we try to run a semi spread offense and teams aren’t buying it. Nobidy will cover Keita and Simon on the perimeter unless they’re hot. We need to adjust. This game was awful. We didn’t play our game. We played theirs. And they suck and play and ugly game of ball.[/quote] Great seeing you on the bronx pale ale line today
[quote="Jnaw17" post=321593]I don’t think his shot disappeared. Instead, our ball movement the second half of the Marquette game and today was dreadful. Clark was open many times in this game and we didn’t find him. We flat out didn’t shoot enough threes. Too good from outside to not launch 20-30 threes per game,
Our offense with Keita in the game should be an inside out offense, but we try to run a semi spread offense and teams aren’t buying it. Nobidy will cover Keita and Simon on the perimeter unless they’re hot. We need to adjust. This game was awful. We didn’t play our game. We played theirs. And they suck and play and ugly game of ball.[/quote]
You're right about Clark. He's not going to create his own 3 point opportunity, we have to find him open. And that hasn't happened. Yes he missed a couple open ones today but we have to continue to create for him. He had a similar funk though earlier in the year. He will be back.
Our offense with Keita in the game should be an inside out offense, but we try to run a semi spread offense and teams aren’t buying it. Nobidy will cover Keita and Simon on the perimeter unless they’re hot. We need to adjust. This game was awful. We didn’t play our game. We played theirs. And they suck and play and ugly game of ball.[/quote]
You're right about Clark. He's not going to create his own 3 point opportunity, we have to find him open. And that hasn't happened. Yes he missed a couple open ones today but we have to continue to create for him. He had a similar funk though earlier in the year. He will be back.
[quote="Marillac" post=321600][quote="P Simmons" post=321596]Not sure if this has been posted yet:
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.[/quote]
Every good team at every single level has had a player or players that got the team going. Coaches can only impact the game so much. Players can go so much further in reaching teammates. That has and will always be the case.[/quote]
I don't disagree with that Marillac.
But when you consider that, according to the announcers, Mullin left a couple of key timeouts near the end of the game to St Jean to handle --and that wasn't the first time he's done that--it just is not a good look. Someone has to fire the kids up at these critical junctures in the game.
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Marvin Clark on inconsistency: "I think I probably just have to look at myself. When things are going bad, I need to figure out a way to be steady, and I really didn't bring it on the offensive end. I gotta find a way to get these guys going." #SJUBB
It is clearly NOT Clark's responsibility to "get these guys going." The fact that he even had to utter those words is just making me cringe. As my avatar indicates, I have been a Mullin fan. But he needs to step it up. These are kids, they need to be led- this isn't the NBA.
BTW, I was at the Garden for the Georgetown game and at one of the timeouts, Patrick Ewing stormed onto the floor and was just screaming at one of his players. I was almost scared for the kid.
I found myself wishing Mullin would do that on occasion. Mullin needs to channel some of his passion away from the refs and onto the kids.[/quote]
Every good team at every single level has had a player or players that got the team going. Coaches can only impact the game so much. Players can go so much further in reaching teammates. That has and will always be the case.[/quote]
I don't disagree with that Marillac.
But when you consider that, according to the announcers, Mullin left a couple of key timeouts near the end of the game to St Jean to handle --and that wasn't the first time he's done that--it just is not a good look. Someone has to fire the kids up at these critical junctures in the game.
[quote="Marillac" post=321588][quote="MarkRedman" post=321587]How can Keita not get one rebound in 20 minutes?
How can Simon and Clark not score a single point in the first half?
Mind boggling!![/quote]
Ten balls hit his hands.[/quote]
Even my wife can squeeze two balls.
How can Simon and Clark not score a single point in the first half?
Mind boggling!![/quote]
Ten balls hit his hands.[/quote]
Even my wife can squeeze two balls.
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Just got home after 5 days with my dad who loves the redmen and who, like me, was disappointed with the loss. I have the game taped and may comment later but from the stats and the absence of Mustapha Heron the loss doesn't shock me but the margin does as well as the rebounding numbers.
Disappointed in Keita thus far. Especially with lack of rebounding and positioning.
We obviously needed as assistant who can coach up the bigs. Maybe next year.
As I have repeatedly stated over and over, we have an excellent starting five who, when they are all on the same page, can play with anyone. Today without Heron we obviously become an underdog. That's not coaching but just plain bad luck. We beat Marquette with those starting 5. From reading the board if Clark and Simon, our most senior players, couldn't dominate the young Friars, it is because they simply don't have the around skills that the Friars have.
I'm sure Shamorie played his game but after watching him all these years I can say he is just not a vocal floor general. I don't think we have a vocal enough player anywhere on this team. That's where the bench coaching would come in.
Not having seen the game I will stop there.
Disappointed in Keita thus far. Especially with lack of rebounding and positioning.
We obviously needed as assistant who can coach up the bigs. Maybe next year.
As I have repeatedly stated over and over, we have an excellent starting five who, when they are all on the same page, can play with anyone. Today without Heron we obviously become an underdog. That's not coaching but just plain bad luck. We beat Marquette with those starting 5. From reading the board if Clark and Simon, our most senior players, couldn't dominate the young Friars, it is because they simply don't have the around skills that the Friars have.
I'm sure Shamorie played his game but after watching him all these years I can say he is just not a vocal floor general. I don't think we have a vocal enough player anywhere on this team. That's where the bench coaching would come in.
Not having seen the game I will stop there.
Keita had 7 points today. He should have had 10-11 and a handful of boards. His hands were poor, but I don’t think we lost because of that. We lost because our coaches and Ponds didn’t adjust the gameplan.. He’s the point guard. He has a big man in the game almost the entire time today. It’s not the same offense we typically run.
You want the same result, but the path is different. We can’t spread them out because 2 guys are not outside shooters, so you should work an inside out game and then get Clark the ball in the corner when you can. We attempted 12 threes in this game. How is that possible when we shoot so well from there? It wasn’t because PC was great defensively. It’s always because of our offense. We didn’t adjust, And when we don’t, we negate our talent and look like an awful team.
Time to step up boys...coaches and team leaders. I’m tired of wasting my time and money watching a team let the other side dictate our game. If you want to make the tournament and win some games, then realize that the other guys are trying to win too. Do what you do best...all the time...pick up your game...because it’s exhausting telling everyone how good you can be...and then watching this. The effort and the offensive flow were not there, Without that, we’re not very good.
You want the same result, but the path is different. We can’t spread them out because 2 guys are not outside shooters, so you should work an inside out game and then get Clark the ball in the corner when you can. We attempted 12 threes in this game. How is that possible when we shoot so well from there? It wasn’t because PC was great defensively. It’s always because of our offense. We didn’t adjust, And when we don’t, we negate our talent and look like an awful team.
Time to step up boys...coaches and team leaders. I’m tired of wasting my time and money watching a team let the other side dictate our game. If you want to make the tournament and win some games, then realize that the other guys are trying to win too. Do what you do best...all the time...pick up your game...because it’s exhausting telling everyone how good you can be...and then watching this. The effort and the offensive flow were not there, Without that, we’re not very good.
Terrible loss today. That said, here are my big picture thoughts on today's scape goats.
Justin Simon.....it's all about patience and shot selection. I am sticking with this kid. He will help us win games in the future.
Keita.....I am disappointed thus far, but I am sticking with him as well. He's a sophomore with about one season's worth of game experience.
Roberts.....opened my eyes today. Shame on Mullin for having him glued to the bench.
Clarke......can't create his own shot, so needs the offense to be clicking. Great teammate, love this guy.
Justin Simon.....it's all about patience and shot selection. I am sticking with this kid. He will help us win games in the future.
Keita.....I am disappointed thus far, but I am sticking with him as well. He's a sophomore with about one season's worth of game experience.
Roberts.....opened my eyes today. Shame on Mullin for having him glued to the bench.
Clarke......can't create his own shot, so needs the offense to be clicking. Great teammate, love this guy.
Mike, yes nice meeting you in person. Those Bronx’s are fantastic. Hope to get together again at another game.
I’m ready to give up my tix to Nova and Seton Hall, not because I don’t think we can win, but just because of the effort. These last two home games have been some of the worst in recent memory. I feel like we showed up expecting to win, and then got punched in the mouth. For a Brooklyn kid like me, I expect Shamorie and this team to battle all the time. We need to dig deeper. Playing for St John’s should be about pride and confidence and guts. Teams should hate to play us because we always show up and we fight and battle until the end. I would trade talent for a group who plays with a chip on its shoulder. This team has many talents....but, where are the guts? The big east bullies are punching us left right inside and out...who the f on St John’s has had enough of that and wants to fight back. This is no longer a question of talent...it’s bigger than that. I love Marvin Clark’s words. Now, I want to see my team play like a pissed off group of inner city kids and transfers who have been cast aside. We’re soft right now. Win or lose, that’s not my school.
I’m ready to give up my tix to Nova and Seton Hall, not because I don’t think we can win, but just because of the effort. These last two home games have been some of the worst in recent memory. I feel like we showed up expecting to win, and then got punched in the mouth. For a Brooklyn kid like me, I expect Shamorie and this team to battle all the time. We need to dig deeper. Playing for St John’s should be about pride and confidence and guts. Teams should hate to play us because we always show up and we fight and battle until the end. I would trade talent for a group who plays with a chip on its shoulder. This team has many talents....but, where are the guts? The big east bullies are punching us left right inside and out...who the f on St John’s has had enough of that and wants to fight back. This is no longer a question of talent...it’s bigger than that. I love Marvin Clark’s words. Now, I want to see my team play like a pissed off group of inner city kids and transfers who have been cast aside. We’re soft right now. Win or lose, that’s not my school.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=321558]Felt like a waste going to the game today and left with about 7 minutes left. It was obvious what our fate was going to be. Last year and prior all we heard was that the fans never come out and if they did we'd go on a huge streak. Well, the fans have been as good as anyone could have expected...probably better and look where we are. It's not the talent...it's not the fans...what else can it be other than coaching? I'm sick of posters like Jack and I saying things like "it would be a very SJ type thing to do to lose vs. PC after winning vs. Marq" and then being called "negative". It's not negative when it's the truth. What in the hell happened to Heron? I never saw him injured at any point against Marquette and a bruise is not an injury. A bruise is when you bump into the wall while sleeping and have a black and blue. I'm no doctor, but something doesn't add up. The staff told us it was a bruise so that's what I'm going off. Some people saying he was limping...my question is how? What is it with the mysterious nature of our injuries? Just come out and say he's out 2 weeks if that's the case. Enough of the vague BS. Mullin didn't even say which knee it was leading more to speculate that it's a misdirection.[/quote]
You cant be that much of a simpleton right? Or can you?
Let me think, Heron took a bad fall against Marquette. Yes he finished the game, but adrenaline wears off.
Here is another thought, the team practices. Ever think to yourself he could of hurt it there. Doubt it because in your world everything Is a conspiracy. Just the other day Ceightons best player missed the Nova game because of a knee injury during practice.
You cant be that much of a simpleton right? Or can you?
Let me think, Heron took a bad fall against Marquette. Yes he finished the game, but adrenaline wears off.
Here is another thought, the team practices. Ever think to yourself he could of hurt it there. Doubt it because in your world everything Is a conspiracy. Just the other day Ceightons best player missed the Nova game because of a knee injury during practice.
Ray Morgan
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What I saw was the Friars bigger, stronger and longer athletes just dominating our smaller athletes. On offense, hard to score shooting that poorly from deep. Providence just did what they wanted, and seemed to always be a step ahead of us. Once they got things going, their confidence grew big time. Their inside game opened up wide open corner looks. Or defensive strategy seemed to be predicated on hoping they missed. Which did us no good since they got enough offensive rebounds to fill the stat sheets for the next game too.