Yes i did watch every minute, Clarke doesnt work at getting free, he has no concept of how to cut to the basket without the ball and look to get free. Watch LJ, HE ALWAYS GETS FREE BECAUSE HE WORKS AT IT. the few times i watched Dixon he was extremely moblie and looked for open shots when he had them. Clarke ans Simon are rejects from other schools becausevthey lack division 1 skills, they are both killing us on offense and defense...period.
(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM
- Thread starter Knight
- Start date
Class of 72
Active member
Paultzman wrote:
"Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries."
You just about summarized what many have been voicing for over 2 years now.
Staff can't seem to prepare these players for key matchups and they get outcoached before the game even begins. When our good outside shooters are off we have no inside game plan. How does staff not develop Roberts before desperation sets in?
All of Matt's transfers have come with question marks with Figgy as an outlier.
"Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries."
You just about summarized what many have been voicing for over 2 years now.
Staff can't seem to prepare these players for key matchups and they get outcoached before the game even begins. When our good outside shooters are off we have no inside game plan. How does staff not develop Roberts before desperation sets in?
All of Matt's transfers have come with question marks with Figgy as an outlier.
Last edited:
Yes, Keita played poorly, but this loss is not on him alone. He is a role player forced into a starting job. He'll be a decent role player going forward. He should have been sharing time with Roberts all season. Do we have coaches on this staff that can teach players how to rebound and position? To date, I have not seen it.
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="Knight" post=321664]Yes, Keita played poorly, but this loss is not on him alone. He is a role player forced into a starting job. He'll be a decent role player going forward. He should have been sharing time with Roberts all season. Do we have coaches on this staff that can teach players how to rebound and position? To date, I have not seen it.[/quote]
If one were to base former players' opinions on whether the staff has big man coaching abilities one would have to think not. Sima, Owen's and Yakwe all made negative comments. Image can only change with a staff addition.
If one were to base former players' opinions on whether the staff has big man coaching abilities one would have to think not. Sima, Owen's and Yakwe all made negative comments. Image can only change with a staff addition.
Ray Morgan
Well-known member
[quote="Jack Williams" post=321639]Agree JNaw, if we lose, we lose, but I just can’t stand seeing us go down essentially without a fight[/quote]
Avatar of the year. Team needs to put up the same effort as you did creating it.
Avatar of the year. Team needs to put up the same effort as you did creating it.
[quote="Paultzman" post=321645]Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.
[/quote]
If this game didn’t get you frustrated then you have become immune to the frustration that comes with rooting for this program. I gave my seats away to a friend and his son who root for St. John’s but are not diehards. They are however huge basketball fans and very knowledgeable. I felt bad that they had to sit through that.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.
[/quote]If this game didn’t get you frustrated then you have become immune to the frustration that comes with rooting for this program. I gave my seats away to a friend and his son who root for St. John’s but are not diehards. They are however huge basketball fans and very knowledgeable. I felt bad that they had to sit through that.
[quote="david cross" post=321648]Living in Albany provides the luxury to hop on a train to Penn Station to take in some St.Johns games. I was not excited with the Mullin hire because of his lack of experience. I fully support the program and the coaching staff, however like others i am waivering on my loyalty. I have made it to the Gtown game and Providence with some buddies that are Duke and Cuse fans. They ask how can i continue to support the team. Today i said i don’t know. What i do know is that this year 4 of the Mullin era and year 4 should show more. We lack depth, coaching improvement, consistence, and take transfers that did not live up to the hype out of hs with the first school they attended. This team will not make the tournament and will not improve in wins next year. I have finally hit my breaking point. Providence is not good this year and good teams win these games. We just can’t improve or get out of our own way.[/quote]
Duke and Puke fans are known douches. The bigger question is why you're hanging with douches.
Duke and Puke fans are known douches. The bigger question is why you're hanging with douches.
redfan003556
Member
Because they are winners and you are bigger douche. When did you become god?
[quote="david cross" post=321658]The question posed was not about changing teams, it is about why do you continue to support SJU. I can’t answer it any longer. Both Duke and Cuse are good programs. I will not support either, but i also can no longer support the inadequacy that is st johns.
Sincerely,
No longer glutten for punishment[/quote]
Because if I ever stopped being a fan, and we someday win it all, it would be the biggest gut punch in the world.
Sincerely,
No longer glutten for punishment[/quote]
Because if I ever stopped being a fan, and we someday win it all, it would be the biggest gut punch in the world.
[quote="Paultzman" post=321645]Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.[/quote]
I agree with everything above. Small ball can work, think back to the Nova championship team 3 years ago. But that team crashed the boards. Something this team is unwilling or unable to do.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.
[/quote]I agree with everything above. Small ball can work, think back to the Nova championship team 3 years ago. But that team crashed the boards. Something this team is unwilling or unable to do.
Ray Morgan
Well-known member
[quote="Porgyman" post=321671][quote="Paultzman" post=321645]Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.[/quote]
I agree with everything above. Small ball can work, think back to the Nova championship team 3 years ago. But that team crashed the boards. Something this team is unwilling or unable to do.[/quote]
I'd say 300th in rebounding margin (-3 a game) supports your proposition soundly. Looked to me like Roberts would have led the team in rebounding if he only played 20 minutes a game before fouling out. The only guy on the roster to really go after boards with aggression and passion.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.
[/quote]I agree with everything above. Small ball can work, think back to the Nova championship team 3 years ago. But that team crashed the boards. Something this team is unwilling or unable to do.[/quote]
I'd say 300th in rebounding margin (-3 a game) supports your proposition soundly. Looked to me like Roberts would have led the team in rebounding if he only played 20 minutes a game before fouling out. The only guy on the roster to really go after boards with aggression and passion.
I now realize I’ve been wrong about this team.
We’re not as good as I thought we were.
St. John’s is not disciplined, gritty, or prepared for changing game dynamics, and we don’t execute, I.e., finish our drives.
I’ll root like hell for us down the stretch, but only Dr. Pangloss could envision we dance this year.
We’re not as good as I thought we were.
St. John’s is not disciplined, gritty, or prepared for changing game dynamics, and we don’t execute, I.e., finish our drives.
I’ll root like hell for us down the stretch, but only Dr. Pangloss could envision we dance this year.
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=321674][quote="Porgyman" post=321671][quote="Paultzman" post=321645]Maybe the premise that SJU has best starting five in BE is flawed.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.[/quote]
I agree with everything above. Small ball can work, think back to the Nova championship team 3 years ago. But that team crashed the boards. Something this team is unwilling or unable to do.[/quote]
I'd say 300th in rebounding margin (-3 a game) supports your proposition soundly. Looked to me like Roberts would have led the team in rebounding if he only played 20 minutes a game before fouling out. The only guy on the roster to really go after boards with aggression and passion.[/quote]
Had a friend who used to say rebounding is a mentality.
Maybe the effort and preparation is sporadic.
Maybe this “small ball model” is risky and necessitates great shooting, concentration and fierce gang rebounding to work.
Maybe staff put together a thin, risk laden roster that is vulnerable to foul problems, exhaustion & injuries.
Maybe half court creative, changing defenses confuse SJU and negate our athleticism.
Maybe this team lacks depth to win on successive nights in BE Tourney because of thin roster and marginal talent on bench.
Maybe SJU squeaks into Dance only to be abused by a team on the interior like Gonzaga did years ago.
Maybe I am letting my frustration get to me.
[/quote]I agree with everything above. Small ball can work, think back to the Nova championship team 3 years ago. But that team crashed the boards. Something this team is unwilling or unable to do.[/quote]
I'd say 300th in rebounding margin (-3 a game) supports your proposition soundly. Looked to me like Roberts would have led the team in rebounding if he only played 20 minutes a game before fouling out. The only guy on the roster to really go after boards with aggression and passion.[/quote]
Had a friend who used to say rebounding is a mentality.
MarkRedman
Well-known member
I continue to believe that one of our major problems is the way we play defense. Instead of working hard (like most teams) to play good fundamental man defense and being responsible for your own man, we switch on everything. The problem that it causes is that we often end up with mismatches - either one of our bigs on one of their smalls or visa versa. In the first case, our big can't stay with the small and the little guy blows past our big guy. In the second case, our small can't stop their big inside. These "mismatches" create opportunities for:
1. easy baskets by our opponents
2. us to commit a lot of unnecessary fouls
3. easy offensive rebounds by our opponents on missed shots
Maybe we play this way because we have a paper thin bench and, since the starters log a lot of minutes, it's less taxing to play this way. But, having watched it all season to date, I'm convinced that it doesn't work.
1. easy baskets by our opponents
2. us to commit a lot of unnecessary fouls
3. easy offensive rebounds by our opponents on missed shots
Maybe we play this way because we have a paper thin bench and, since the starters log a lot of minutes, it's less taxing to play this way. But, having watched it all season to date, I'm convinced that it doesn't work.
Ray Morgan
Well-known member
[quote="MarkRedman" post=321681]I continue to believe that one of our major problems is the way we play defense. Instead of working hard (like most teams) to play good fundamental man defense and being responsible for your own man, we switch on everything. The problem that it causes is that we often end up with mismatches - either one of our bigs on one of their smalls or visa versa. In the first case, our big can't stay with the small and the little guy blows past our big guy. In the second case, our small can't stop their big inside. These "mismatches" create opportunities for:
1. easy baskets by our opponents
2. us to commit a lot of unnecessary fouls
3. easy offensive rebounds by our opponents on missed shots
Maybe we play this way because we have a paper thin bench and, since the starters log a lot of minutes, it's less taxing to play this way. But, having watched it all season to date, I'm convinced that it doesn't work.[/quote]
Also the kick out 3s. Prov. did it to perfection. Ponds switches to a big, help comes to double team, Friars big sees the floor easily over his 2 smaller defenders, and kicks out to a wide open man who hits the 3.
1. easy baskets by our opponents
2. us to commit a lot of unnecessary fouls
3. easy offensive rebounds by our opponents on missed shots
Maybe we play this way because we have a paper thin bench and, since the starters log a lot of minutes, it's less taxing to play this way. But, having watched it all season to date, I'm convinced that it doesn't work.[/quote]
Also the kick out 3s. Prov. did it to perfection. Ponds switches to a big, help comes to double team, Friars big sees the floor easily over his 2 smaller defenders, and kicks out to a wide open man who hits the 3.
We are more than halfway thru the season and it is quite evident that the Big East is just not that good. Our first place team Villanova is a shadow of what it was last year and the rest of the league is just mediocre. How Marquette is ranked in the top 15 befuddles me. I mean after all we beat them twice and we are not a very good team. Because of this mediocrity the league is cannabilizing itself where a team like St John’s May get a bid with a 500 record or may not. My fear is that it is very likely that the Big East will get only 3 teams to the big dance maybe 4 if we are lucky! I still think we can end up 10-8 because of our favorable schedule, but there is no room for error! When I look at the play of many of the schools in the Power 5 conferences our league looks like the junior varsity! I believe that the league will not bode well come tournament time! Geez I hope I am wrong!
montyaloofah
Well-known member
This one hurts. Think this is a quad 3 loss. Clark has completely lost his mojo after his foul fest 1st half of Duke. Only so much Ponds can do. Not sure why some people are knocking him on here. He is having to play one on 5. Especially today with no Heron and no one looking capable of creating offense. Also, these noon games suck. WE are 1-3 at noon.