(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM
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gonzalo
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[quote="fordham96" post=321441]Transfer U ...[/quote]
And if we don´t get Achiuwa (the only HS player that we are recruiting) and we have some losses (draft, transfers out,...) we will only take more transfers.
And some of them will sit out and we will have depth problems again...
And if we don´t get Achiuwa (the only HS player that we are recruiting) and we have some losses (draft, transfers out,...) we will only take more transfers.
And some of them will sit out and we will have depth problems again...
[quote="Mean Gene" post=321511]Everyone here knew that Seton Hall game would come back to bite us. The way this is shaking out , it will probably v[instagram][/instagram]be the difference in the end for us not making the Tournament[/quote]
Agree. It will kill us. But all the losses since then have hurt more. Predict this team ends up 7 - 11 in conference.
Agree. It will kill us. But all the losses since then have hurt more. Predict this team ends up 7 - 11 in conference.
[quote="Paultzman" post=321540]Mullin;
“I thought he [Josh Roberts] did a great job. He brought great energy” - Mullin #SJUBB
“I don’t think he should have been the only one playing with that energy”
What motivates these guys then? Just beat Marquette in tough road game & they did not play with energy according to Chris?? Don’t get it.[/quote]
And why does this continue to be a theme?
“I thought he [Josh Roberts] did a great job. He brought great energy” - Mullin #SJUBB
“I don’t think he should have been the only one playing with that energy”
What motivates these guys then? Just beat Marquette in tough road game & they did not play with energy according to Chris?? Don’t get it.[/quote]
And why does this continue to be a theme?
[quote="Jack Williams" post=321578][quote="Knight" post=321574]Coach is responsible for team not be ready or enthusiastic.[/quote]
Listen I’m not happy with the job mullin is doing but at some point these guys gotta come out and play hard in a game where their backs aren’t against the wall.
Everytime we are one loss away from really falling apart, they show up. Then we get a nice win and some momentum, and we come out flat. Watch after this tough loss today we will come out and blow the doors off butler Tuesday. Then the cycle will probably repeat itself against nova at msg[/quote]
First and foremost, the blame is on the players. Clark has become a 10 PPG who shoots 40% from the field. Also, his 3P ability has completely fallen apart (2-8 Villanova, 1-7 DePaul, 2-9 G'town, 0-4 Marquette, 0-4 Providence). Simon, I don't even know where to begin. Simon has regressed in every possible way this year. Scoring less (10.1 vs. 12.2), rebounding less (4.8 vs. 7.1), less assists (3.5 vs. 5.1), less steals (1.3 vs. 2.5). His running floaters could be one of the most painful things for me to watch. And his shooting ability? Mother of God. Also, just to reiterate what other posters are saying... how does your center get zero rebounds in 20 minutes? That is dreadful by Keita.
But again, I'll say the same thing. I don't know how the coaching staff is not able to get these kids motivated. Watching that first half, I knew St. John's was going to lose that game because it was Georgetown all over again. They were going through the motions, just expecting to turn it on at some point. Why can't the coaching staff notice this and actually do something about it? It just doesn't make sense to me that effort and intensity continues to be a problem.
Listen I’m not happy with the job mullin is doing but at some point these guys gotta come out and play hard in a game where their backs aren’t against the wall.
Everytime we are one loss away from really falling apart, they show up. Then we get a nice win and some momentum, and we come out flat. Watch after this tough loss today we will come out and blow the doors off butler Tuesday. Then the cycle will probably repeat itself against nova at msg[/quote]
First and foremost, the blame is on the players. Clark has become a 10 PPG who shoots 40% from the field. Also, his 3P ability has completely fallen apart (2-8 Villanova, 1-7 DePaul, 2-9 G'town, 0-4 Marquette, 0-4 Providence). Simon, I don't even know where to begin. Simon has regressed in every possible way this year. Scoring less (10.1 vs. 12.2), rebounding less (4.8 vs. 7.1), less assists (3.5 vs. 5.1), less steals (1.3 vs. 2.5). His running floaters could be one of the most painful things for me to watch. And his shooting ability? Mother of God. Also, just to reiterate what other posters are saying... how does your center get zero rebounds in 20 minutes? That is dreadful by Keita.
But again, I'll say the same thing. I don't know how the coaching staff is not able to get these kids motivated. Watching that first half, I knew St. John's was going to lose that game because it was Georgetown all over again. They were going through the motions, just expecting to turn it on at some point. Why can't the coaching staff notice this and actually do something about it? It just doesn't make sense to me that effort and intensity continues to be a problem.
ronm
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[quote="DoodyNY33" post=321736][quote="Jack Williams" post=321578][quote="Knight" post=321574]Coach is responsible for team not be ready or enthusiastic.[/quote]
Listen I’m not happy with the job mullin is doing but at some point these guys gotta come out and play hard in a game where their backs aren’t against the wall.
Everytime we are one loss away from really falling apart, they show up. Then we get a nice win and some momentum, and we come out flat. Watch after this tough loss today we will come out and blow the doors off butler Tuesday. Then the cycle will probably repeat itself against nova at msg[/quote]
First and foremost, the blame is on the players. Clark has become a 10 PPG who shoots 40% from the field. Also, his 3P ability has completely fallen apart (2-8 Villanova, 1-7 DePaul, 2-9 G'town, 0-4 Marquette, 0-4 Providence). Simon, I don't even know where to begin. Simon has regressed in every possible way this year. Scoring less (10.1 vs. 12.2), rebounding less (4.8 vs. 7.1), less assists (3.5 vs. 5.1), less steals (1.3 vs. 2.5). His running floaters could be one of the most painful things for me to watch. And his shooting ability? Mother of God. Also, just to reiterate what other posters are saying... how does your center get zero rebounds in 20 minutes? That is dreadful by Keita.
But again, I'll say the same thing. I don't know how the coaching staff is not able to get these kids motivated. Watching that first half, I knew St. John's was going to lose that game because it was Georgetown all over again. They were going through the motions, just expecting to turn it on at some point. Why can't the coaching staff notice this and actually do something about it? It just doesn't make sense to me that effort and intensity continues to be a problem.[/quote]
The effort issue is puzzling. During Mullin's first three years the team was not very good, however, they seemed to play hard for 40 minutes every game. I don't know if they were self motivated, but whatever the reason it is missing at times this year. I believe it is on the staff to ensure that players play hard and if they do not they sit.
Listen I’m not happy with the job mullin is doing but at some point these guys gotta come out and play hard in a game where their backs aren’t against the wall.
Everytime we are one loss away from really falling apart, they show up. Then we get a nice win and some momentum, and we come out flat. Watch after this tough loss today we will come out and blow the doors off butler Tuesday. Then the cycle will probably repeat itself against nova at msg[/quote]
First and foremost, the blame is on the players. Clark has become a 10 PPG who shoots 40% from the field. Also, his 3P ability has completely fallen apart (2-8 Villanova, 1-7 DePaul, 2-9 G'town, 0-4 Marquette, 0-4 Providence). Simon, I don't even know where to begin. Simon has regressed in every possible way this year. Scoring less (10.1 vs. 12.2), rebounding less (4.8 vs. 7.1), less assists (3.5 vs. 5.1), less steals (1.3 vs. 2.5). His running floaters could be one of the most painful things for me to watch. And his shooting ability? Mother of God. Also, just to reiterate what other posters are saying... how does your center get zero rebounds in 20 minutes? That is dreadful by Keita.
But again, I'll say the same thing. I don't know how the coaching staff is not able to get these kids motivated. Watching that first half, I knew St. John's was going to lose that game because it was Georgetown all over again. They were going through the motions, just expecting to turn it on at some point. Why can't the coaching staff notice this and actually do something about it? It just doesn't make sense to me that effort and intensity continues to be a problem.[/quote]
The effort issue is puzzling. During Mullin's first three years the team was not very good, however, they seemed to play hard for 40 minutes every game. I don't know if they were self motivated, but whatever the reason it is missing at times this year. I believe it is on the staff to ensure that players play hard and if they do not they sit.
Ray Morgan
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Not making excuses, but offering this explanation. It has to wear on these guys to constantly be defending and fighting for rebounds with bigger and stronger athletes. The bench is small at 6'2, then 6'4, and Keita at 6'8 who is still moving without fluidity. The second half looked like a schoolyard game where the young kids were chased off the court by the older and much taller and more athletic kids.
We have enough mismatches to deal with even without the constant switching. Georgetown and Providence each have 2 or 3 bigs that are much more athletic than our bigs. Having 2 superior athletes in Simon and Heron can't make up for the size differential. It's basketball, and size counts for a lot. The guys just looked worn down by an entire season of this. Relief is coming next year with Steere and maybe Manuel, and a healthier Keita, but we needed that size this season.
We have enough mismatches to deal with even without the constant switching. Georgetown and Providence each have 2 or 3 bigs that are much more athletic than our bigs. Having 2 superior athletes in Simon and Heron can't make up for the size differential. It's basketball, and size counts for a lot. The guys just looked worn down by an entire season of this. Relief is coming next year with Steere and maybe Manuel, and a healthier Keita, but we needed that size this season.
Yesterday's game was a great example of how many ways SJU's reliance on an almost non existent bench can affect both team strategy and eventually end up with a loss.
1 Providence had both size and bulk advantage and pressing their guards may have been good strategy but that would end up with SJU players sucking wind with ten minutes left in the game
2 Foul trouble or injury ( Heron ) can have an overwhelming effect on the game. SJU has been very lucky only losing Ponds and Heron for one game each so far this year.
3 Starting five can't help but get complacent when they are not pressed for playing time
4 Players who are having terrible games cannot be substituted for
Losing Dixon contributed to this situation but was it worth having Caraher for next year instead of a body that could contribute this year?
1 Providence had both size and bulk advantage and pressing their guards may have been good strategy but that would end up with SJU players sucking wind with ten minutes left in the game
2 Foul trouble or injury ( Heron ) can have an overwhelming effect on the game. SJU has been very lucky only losing Ponds and Heron for one game each so far this year.
3 Starting five can't help but get complacent when they are not pressed for playing time
4 Players who are having terrible games cannot be substituted for
Losing Dixon contributed to this situation but was it worth having Caraher for next year instead of a body that could contribute this year?
[quote="gonzalo" post=321726][quote="fordham96" post=321441]Transfer U ...[/quote]
And if we don´t get Achiuwa (the only HS player that we are recruiting) and we have some losses (draft, transfers out,...) we will only take more transfers.
And some of them will sit out and we will have depth problems again...[/quote]
I still don't think Precious is coming to St. John's. When do they ever get top flight recruits? It just never seems to happen for them.
I'm sure I'll get criticized for saying this, but I'm not at all impressed with a recruiting class of David Caraher, Eli Wright, Cam Mack, Ian Steere, and Valdir Manuel. Does anyone really think this group is going to put St. John's back on the map? From afar, the roster assembly just looks disjointed and unorganized. Wait, so you want to come to St. John's? Sure, why not? We'll take you.
And if we don´t get Achiuwa (the only HS player that we are recruiting) and we have some losses (draft, transfers out,...) we will only take more transfers.
And some of them will sit out and we will have depth problems again...[/quote]
I still don't think Precious is coming to St. John's. When do they ever get top flight recruits? It just never seems to happen for them.
I'm sure I'll get criticized for saying this, but I'm not at all impressed with a recruiting class of David Caraher, Eli Wright, Cam Mack, Ian Steere, and Valdir Manuel. Does anyone really think this group is going to put St. John's back on the map? From afar, the roster assembly just looks disjointed and unorganized. Wait, so you want to come to St. John's? Sure, why not? We'll take you.
Ray Morgan
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[quote="DoodyNY33" post=321749][quote="gonzalo" post=321726][quote="fordham96" post=321441]Transfer U ...[/quote]
And if we don´t get Achiuwa (the only HS player that we are recruiting) and we have some losses (draft, transfers out,...) we will only take more transfers.
And some of them will sit out and we will have depth problems again...[/quote]
I still don't think Precious is coming to St. John's. When do they ever get top flight recruits? It just never seems to happen for them.
I'm sure I'll get criticized for saying this, but I'm not at all impressed with a recruiting class of David Caraher, Eli Wright, Cam Mack, Ian Steere, and Valdir Manuel. Does anyone really think this group is going to put St. John's back on the map? From afar, the roster assembly just looks disjointed and unorganized. Wait, so you want to come to St. John's? Sure, why not? We'll take you.[/quote]
Most of us are already getting agitated about this season. When it's over, I can wait for Ponds and probably Heron to leave, and then get depressed about the team's prospects next season. Maybe there will be a mystery recruit or JUCO transfer, or a surprise Achiuwa signing. Until then, I get to watch the Mets disappoint this summer.
And if we don´t get Achiuwa (the only HS player that we are recruiting) and we have some losses (draft, transfers out,...) we will only take more transfers.
And some of them will sit out and we will have depth problems again...[/quote]
I still don't think Precious is coming to St. John's. When do they ever get top flight recruits? It just never seems to happen for them.
I'm sure I'll get criticized for saying this, but I'm not at all impressed with a recruiting class of David Caraher, Eli Wright, Cam Mack, Ian Steere, and Valdir Manuel. Does anyone really think this group is going to put St. John's back on the map? From afar, the roster assembly just looks disjointed and unorganized. Wait, so you want to come to St. John's? Sure, why not? We'll take you.[/quote]
Most of us are already getting agitated about this season. When it's over, I can wait for Ponds and probably Heron to leave, and then get depressed about the team's prospects next season. Maybe there will be a mystery recruit or JUCO transfer, or a surprise Achiuwa signing. Until then, I get to watch the Mets disappoint this summer.
Shameful that after playing that pansy schedule to start the season, it took this long to get Roberts into a game before garbage time. The guy pays attention to detail, boxing out, trying to find a path to the basket for an offensive rebound. We just don't see that from this team. Even a quick 4-5 minutes in the first half of a game?
Keita is sure starting to look like Abe, the ball just slides through his hands! He might get some blocked shots, but he's not a quick jumper and a quick release beats him to the punch. Absolutely dumb decision for Simon to try to pass him the ball in the high post, and it gets picked off anyway, risk/reward.
I say again, Williams lost all momentum he had gathered when he got chained to the bench in the Nova game. He's been tentative since, and it's obvious he needs to work on his ball handling.
Painful watching the last 7-8 minutes, they looked like a team trying to kill clock, passing the ball around the outside.
Why is Simon standing in the corner at the 3 point stripe when we know he's not going to shoot(thankfully)? Kinda defeats the purpose of Ponds driving and attracting the defense, no?
Keita is sure starting to look like Abe, the ball just slides through his hands! He might get some blocked shots, but he's not a quick jumper and a quick release beats him to the punch. Absolutely dumb decision for Simon to try to pass him the ball in the high post, and it gets picked off anyway, risk/reward.
I say again, Williams lost all momentum he had gathered when he got chained to the bench in the Nova game. He's been tentative since, and it's obvious he needs to work on his ball handling.
Painful watching the last 7-8 minutes, they looked like a team trying to kill clock, passing the ball around the outside.
Why is Simon standing in the corner at the 3 point stripe when we know he's not going to shoot(thankfully)? Kinda defeats the purpose of Ponds driving and attracting the defense, no?
MarkRedman
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[quote="Ken Shark" post=321754]Shameful that after playing that pansy schedule to start the season, it took this long to get Roberts into a game before garbage time. The guy pays attention to detail, boxing out, trying to find a path to the basket for an offensive rebound. We just don't see that from this team. Even a quick 4-5 minutes in the first half of a game?
Keita is sure starting to look like Abe, the ball just slides through his hands! He might get some blocked shots, but he's not a quick jumper and a quick release beats him to the punch. Absolutely dumb decision for Simon to try to pass him the ball in the high post, and it gets picked off anyway, risk/reward.
I say again, Williams lost all momentum he had gathered when he got chained to the bench in the Nova game. He's been tentative since, and it's obvious he needs to work on his ball handling.
Painful watching the last 7-8 minutes, they looked like a team trying to kill clock, passing the ball around the outside.
Why is Simon standing in the corner at the 3 point stripe when we know he's not going to shoot(thankfully)? Kinda defeats the purpose of Ponds driving and attracting the defense, no?[/quote]
1. Linfonte needs to give Keita the stick um stuff that Fred Belitnikoff used to use
2. Not playing Willams and Roberts during the OCC games is killing us now
3. They're leaving Simon alone at the 3 point stripe and he doesn't shoot. Very telling.
4. With our lacks of bigs, we're not gonna match up well with teams that have good ones
Keita is sure starting to look like Abe, the ball just slides through his hands! He might get some blocked shots, but he's not a quick jumper and a quick release beats him to the punch. Absolutely dumb decision for Simon to try to pass him the ball in the high post, and it gets picked off anyway, risk/reward.
I say again, Williams lost all momentum he had gathered when he got chained to the bench in the Nova game. He's been tentative since, and it's obvious he needs to work on his ball handling.
Painful watching the last 7-8 minutes, they looked like a team trying to kill clock, passing the ball around the outside.
Why is Simon standing in the corner at the 3 point stripe when we know he's not going to shoot(thankfully)? Kinda defeats the purpose of Ponds driving and attracting the defense, no?[/quote]
1. Linfonte needs to give Keita the stick um stuff that Fred Belitnikoff used to use
2. Not playing Willams and Roberts during the OCC games is killing us now
3. They're leaving Simon alone at the 3 point stripe and he doesn't shoot. Very telling.
4. With our lacks of bigs, we're not gonna match up well with teams that have good ones
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JackofVirginia
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[quote="Ken Shark" post=321754]Shameful that after playing that pansy schedule to start the season, it took this long to get Roberts into a game before garbage time. The guy pays attention to detail, boxing out, trying to find a path to the basket for an offensive rebound. We just don't see that from this team. Even a quick 4-5 minutes in the first half of a game?
Keita is sure starting to look like Abe, the ball just slides through his hands! He might get some blocked shots, but he's not a quick jumper and a quick release beats him to the punch. Absolutely dumb decision for Simon to try to pass him the ball in the high post, and it gets picked off anyway, risk/reward.
I say again, Williams lost all momentum he had gathered when he got chained to the bench in the Nova game. He's been tentative since, and it's obvious he needs to work on his ball handling.
Painful watching the last 7-8 minutes, they looked like a team trying to kill clock, passing the ball around the outside.
Why is Simon standing in the corner at the 3 point stripe when we know he's not going to shoot(thankfully)? Kinda defeats the purpose of Ponds driving and attracting the defense, no?[/quote]
I can't believe Roberts suddenly turned into a decent looking prospect. He was all over the court blocking shots in fact two in a row. He was quick to the ball and even had the look of confidence.. And yet this kid did not warrant any decent playing time while we were struggling with our bench. Mullin, sorry but you are a disappointment.
Keita is sure starting to look like Abe, the ball just slides through his hands! He might get some blocked shots, but he's not a quick jumper and a quick release beats him to the punch. Absolutely dumb decision for Simon to try to pass him the ball in the high post, and it gets picked off anyway, risk/reward.
I say again, Williams lost all momentum he had gathered when he got chained to the bench in the Nova game. He's been tentative since, and it's obvious he needs to work on his ball handling.
Painful watching the last 7-8 minutes, they looked like a team trying to kill clock, passing the ball around the outside.
Why is Simon standing in the corner at the 3 point stripe when we know he's not going to shoot(thankfully)? Kinda defeats the purpose of Ponds driving and attracting the defense, no?[/quote]
I can't believe Roberts suddenly turned into a decent looking prospect. He was all over the court blocking shots in fact two in a row. He was quick to the ball and even had the look of confidence.. And yet this kid did not warrant any decent playing time while we were struggling with our bench. Mullin, sorry but you are a disappointment.
ManhattAn1
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Even if we make the tournament which I have a feeling we still will this is one of the more disappointing seasons that I can remember. Extremely disorganized and way too many games where we do not show up.
We are overstating how good Roberts is, and the lack of playing time early on. He wasn't ready and quite frankly he isn't ready now.
Also keep in mind something many of us pointed out during the early season, struggling against some very bad opponents left them no room to take starters out of those games. That is why not blowing out some of those bad teams hurt. They could not afford to lose those games.
Also keep in mind something many of us pointed out during the early season, struggling against some very bad opponents left them no room to take starters out of those games. That is why not blowing out some of those bad teams hurt. They could not afford to lose those games.
[quote="Manhattan1" post=321780]Even if we make the tournament which I have a feeling we still will this is one of the more disappointing seasons that I can remember. Extremely disorganized and way too many games where we do not show up.[/quote]
Looking at the roster and the poor recruiting strategy we all should've expected this to be honest.
See Paultz previous post about early perception and reality.
Looking at the roster and the poor recruiting strategy we all should've expected this to be honest.
See Paultz previous post about early perception and reality.
[quote="fordham96" post=321782][quote="Manhattan1" post=321780]Even if we make the tournament which I have a feeling we still will this is one of the more disappointing seasons that I can remember. Extremely disorganized and way too many games where we do not show up.[/quote]
Looking at the roster and the poor recruiting strategy we all should've expected this to be honest.
See Paultz previous post about early perception and reality.[/quote]
All due respect but do people forget this is Mullin's first time ever coaching? Obviously recruiting has not been traditional but we also have to remember that he's still learning on the fly. Higher ups at SJU knew this. For Mullin and Co. to pull together a roster this talented this early is a testament to his improvement along with the staff's.
Looking at the roster and the poor recruiting strategy we all should've expected this to be honest.
See Paultz previous post about early perception and reality.[/quote]
All due respect but do people forget this is Mullin's first time ever coaching? Obviously recruiting has not been traditional but we also have to remember that he's still learning on the fly. Higher ups at SJU knew this. For Mullin and Co. to pull together a roster this talented this early is a testament to his improvement along with the staff's.
