(POST GAME) (@MSG) Seton Hall, Sat., Jan. 22, 12 Noon, FS-1

[Mullins Revenge]

What kind of bs is this quote?

https://twitter.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1484970982859284481?s=20

Haha. Makes two excuses immediately followed by "I don't make excuses". Good grief

Clown.  Im done with him.  Its been building but the Creighton game was the nail in the coffin.  We will never go anywhere with him.  

 

[otis]

When CMA was hired we hear about his vaunted “40 minutes of hell” by which his team plays a fast paced end to end defense and uptempo offense.

Watching this season I rarely see a pressure full court press.  Given the supposed depth of his roster I expected to see more “in your face” pressing.  When the StJ’s dream does press it typically falls back after the opposing team successfully inbounds the ball.  

I would describe CMA’s offense as unstructured and  “hurried”.  On offense If the StJ’s team does not beat the opposing team down the floor they seemingly run an unstructured offense merely passing the ball around the perimeter in hopes of an open shot;  as the shot clock winds down someone chucks the ball up and hopes.

I am not impressed by the “40 minutes of hell” offense or defense.

Unrelated: I believe SH’s Coach Willard is a very good coach.

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[mjmaherjr]

Well at least I'll always have the Colgate game this year to fondly look back on

 

[redmannorth]

……… for the hundredth time I ask what does CMAs nephew do since he is not a valued recruiter ? Is he not supposed to be the Associate Head Coach ? 

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+ ditto

hey Aubie ….. have asked that same question but never received an adequate answer for someone with the lofty title of Associate Head Coach.  

Recall that Mark Jarvis II received much scrutiny and criticism on this site when his Dad was the St. John’s Coach.  To his credit MJ II has earned a position on the Duke University basketball staff.
https://goduke.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/mike-jarvis/557

Otis, you are a smart guy. Please read his bio again. He is over 50 years old and is the head team manager, with the title of player development thrown in a favour to his fathers 40 plus year relationship with Coach K. Unfortunately I repeat what I said years ago,  the Deuce is unemployable when it comes to Bball. 20 years ago was an assistant coach on a high flying Division 1 staff. Since then he has never gotten a position that is remotely similar. 
my fear is that it is the same for TJ Cleveland as no one can tell me what he brings to the table and I don’t see any external offers coming in. While we have heard numerous Bball professional sing the praises of Van Macon and Vettrone. While I doubt CMA will be let go after this season perhaps Cragg can convince CMA to replace TJ Cleveland. 

 

[ADORAZ]

I wasn't able to go to today's game, but I have to say this is the first time during my time as a fan (going back to Lavin year 2) where I've felt so indifferent about a loss. I do not believe this year's team has a chance to go anywhere and the same is true for CMA's future tenure, so it's difficult to care about losing when I don't believe in what CMA is "building" here. Even during Lavin year 5 and Mullin year 4, despite their lackluster in-game coaching and diminishing recruiting, I was still rooting hard through their final games.

Also, I've seen some talk about how we might make the NIT (in a demeaning way). Right now we are absolutely nowhere close to the NIT, and we'd likely need 9 Big East wins just to make that.

 

[Andrew]

I wasn't able to go to today's game, but I have to say this is the first time during my time as a fan (going back to Lavin year 2) where I've felt so indifferent about a loss. I do not believe this year's team has a chance to go anywhere and the same is true for CMA's future tenure, and it's difficult to care about losing when I don't believe in what CMA is "building" here. Even during Lavin year 5 and Mullin year 4, despite their lackluster in-game coaching and diminishing recruiting, I was still rooting hard through their final games.

Also, I've seen some talk about how we might make the NIT (in a demeaning way). Right now we are absolutely nowhere close to the NIT, and we'd likely need 9 Big East wins just to make that.

I feel similarly. We were much better in Lavin and Mullin's final year, although I felt in both cases the cubbard was going to be bare the following year. Very difficult to know what our roster will look like next year but am pretty sure our 21 year streak of not winning an NCAA tournament game will continue. I will only be 52 this summer and starting to wonder if I will ever see another tournament win. That's all I really want at this point.

 

[Ray Morgan]

There are a lot of long and very athletic bigs in the Big East, and Posh and Wusu are finding what works against smaller teams isn't working now. Their drives are not drawing fouls, and are being rejected or disrupted over and over. Our bigs are not high end athletes for a high major program. Champ is really having issues because he really can't take anyone off the dribble. The mid major transfers are finding out it's a lot tougher in the Big East.  While everyone is jumping on the coaching staff, CMA won a lot of games and is reigning B.E. COY.  He doesn't have the horses this year.  When people start blaming losses on the underuse of Smith and Coburn, and the absence of Pinzon,  there is a lot of desperation here.

Ray, their drives aren’t working because we have no shooters and so the lane is always packed with defenders. Smith and Coburn can at least shoot. If they hit a few, the defense will have to come out and guard them which in turn will open up the lane for more open drives to the hoop instead of always driving into three defenders who are just standing there waiting for it.


Then perhaps they should do what guards are supposed to do and hit some jump shots.  I still agree if players are not performing, they need to sit.
 

 

[RedStormNC]

https://twitter.com/theredmen85/status/1484993702137323520?s=20

 

[SJU61982]

Julian's game has gone down, just as Wheeler's has gone up.  They appear to be very similar style players, offensively.  You have to wonder if this is a combination that just can't play together.  It's not either one's fault, they're not bad guys.  Their games may just be too similar.

IIRC, Wheeler was one of the first to sign on in the offseason.  You have to wonder if Anderson thought Julian was going pro, and took Wheeler as protection.  It's easy to say we might have been a better team had that series of events taken place, but all of us on here would have been in panic mode all summer, had Julian left (me probably being the leader of that pack).

 

[ADORAZ]

https://twitter.com/theredmen85/status/1484993702137323520?s=20

Just for reference attendance for this game during Mullin year 4 was almost 100% capacity (18.5K). I believe Cragg made tickets easier to get back then (maybe even gave some away for free that year?), but obviously a massive difference.

 

[Las Vegan]

I'm beginning to think Mike Cragg and Father Shanley should have been in place twenty years ago. This looks like it will be another expensive unhappy ending.

 

[beast of the east]

Our propensity to dig big holes early in season is becoming a tradition. SJU should open a coal mine.

Or dig latrines.

 

[Las Vegan]

Although I sometimes question the coach's substitution patterns and the five players he has on the court at a given time, the poor play is mostly on the players. How can any team win when they 
             1. Can't Shoot
             2. Can't Pass
             3. Can't Catch Passes
             4. Can't Rebound
             5. Can't Shoot Free Throws
             6. Can't make Layups
             7. Don't Hustle for 50/50 balls
             8. Have an overrated star player
             9. Has the Basketball IQ of 10 year old CYO players

Other than that they are a great team. But please don't blame the coach for the limitations of the players.

N/A






 

 

[mjmaherjr]

I wasn't able to go to today's game, but I have to say this is the first time during my time as a fan (going back to Lavin year 2) where I've felt so indifferent about a loss. I do not believe this year's team has a chance to go anywhere and the same is true for CMA's future tenure, and it's difficult to care about losing when I don't believe in what CMA is "building" here. Even during Lavin year 5 and Mullin year 4, despite their lackluster in-game coaching and diminishing recruiting, I was still rooting hard through their final games.

Also, I've seen some talk about how we might make the NIT (in a demeaning way). Right now we are absolutely nowhere close to the NIT, and we'd likely need 9 Big East wins just to make that.

I feel similarly. We were much better in Lavin and Mullin's final year, although I felt in both cases the cubbard was going to be bare the following year. Very difficult to know what our roster will look like next year but am pretty sure our 21 year streak of not winning an NCAA tournament game will continue. I will only be 52 this summer and starting to wonder if I will ever see another tournament win. That's all I really want at this point.

I'll be 52 the day of our MSG Nova game and I wonder the same exact thing

 

[Mullins Revenge]

https://twitter.com/theredmen85/status/1484993702137323520?s=20

The way the team is playing, that attendance is actually good.  This team stinks.  Fans have better things to do.  Who wants to watch this crap?

You want to increase attendance?  Bring in a real coach and start winning games.

 

[monte]

When CMA was hired we hear about his vaunted “40 minutes of hell” by which his team plays a fast paced end to end defense and uptempo offense.

Watching this season I rarely see a pressure full court press.  Given the supposed depth of his roster I expected to see more “in your face” pressing.  When the StJ’s dream does press it typically falls back after the opposing team successfully inbounds the ball.  

I would describe CMA’s offense as unstructured and  “hurried”.  On offense If the StJ’s team does not beat the opposing team down the floor they seemingly run an unstructured offense merely passing the ball around the perimeter in hopes of an open shot;  as the shot clock winds down someone chucks the ball up and hopes.

I am not impressed by the “40 minutes of hell” offense or defense.

Unrelated: I believe SH’s Coach Willard is a very good coach.

 

Otis, CMA relies heavily on a frenetic pace, keyed by defensive stops, in order for his "system" to work. He simply does not have the horses to play pressure D and turn the ball over, so that he can play uptempo offense. It's one thing to play uptempo off the other team's misses and TOs, it's a whole other thing to play uptempo when taking that ball out. There is no question at this point that last year's roster was much more suited to play at that frenetic pace. 

 

[mjmaherjr]

When CMA was hired we hear about his vaunted “40 minutes of hell” by which his team plays a fast paced end to end defense and uptempo offense.

Watching this season I rarely see a pressure full court press.  Given the supposed depth of his roster I expected to see more “in your face” pressing.  When the StJ’s dream does press it typically falls back after the opposing team successfully inbounds the ball.  

I would describe CMA’s offense as unstructured and  “hurried”.  On offense If the StJ’s team does not beat the opposing team down the floor they seemingly run an unstructured offense merely passing the ball around the perimeter in hopes of an open shot;  as the shot clock winds down someone chucks the ball up and hopes.

I am not impressed by the “40 minutes of hell” offense or defense.

Unrelated: I believe SH’s Coach Willard is a very good coach.


 

Otis, CMA relies heavily on a frenetic pace, keyed by defensive stops, in order for his "system" to work. He simply does not have the horses to play pressure D and turn the ball over, so that he can play uptempo offense. It's one thing to play uptempo off the other team's misses and TOs, it's a whole other thing to play uptempo when taking that ball out. There is no question at this point that last year's roster was much more suited to play at that frenetic pace. 

To be fair 40 minutes of hell was watching this and the Creighton game

 

[Knight]

Seton Hall’s new motto:  “We are New York’s Team!”

 

[MarkRedman]

I wasn't able to go to today's game, but I have to say this is the first time during my time as a fan (going back to Lavin year 2) where I've felt so indifferent about a loss. I do not believe this year's team has a chance to go anywhere and the same is true for CMA's future tenure, and it's difficult to care about losing when I don't believe in what CMA is "building" here. Even during Lavin year 5 and Mullin year 4, despite their lackluster in-game coaching and diminishing recruiting, I was still rooting hard through their final games.

Also, I've seen some talk about how we might make the NIT (in a demeaning way). Right now we are absolutely nowhere close to the NIT, and we'd likely need 9 Big East wins just to make that.

I feel similarly. We were much better in Lavin and Mullin's final year, although I felt in both cases the cubbard was going to be bare the following year. Very difficult to know what our roster will look like next year but am pretty sure our 21 year streak of not winning an NCAA tournament game will continue. I will only be 52 this summer and starting to wonder if I will ever see another tournament win. That's all I really want at this point.

I'll be 52 the day of our MSG Nova game and I wonder the same exact thing


Mike, I'll be  72 this year. What are my chances?
 

 

[monte]

When CMA was hired we hear about his vaunted “40 minutes of hell” by which his team plays a fast paced end to end defense and uptempo offense.

Watching this season I rarely see a pressure full court press.  Given the supposed depth of his roster I expected to see more “in your face” pressing.  When the StJ’s dream does press it typically falls back after the opposing team successfully inbounds the ball.  

I would describe CMA’s offense as unstructured and  “hurried”.  On offense If the StJ’s team does not beat the opposing team down the floor they seemingly run an unstructured offense merely passing the ball around the perimeter in hopes of an open shot;  as the shot clock winds down someone chucks the ball up and hopes.

I am not impressed by the “40 minutes of hell” offense or defense.

Unrelated: I believe SH’s Coach Willard is a very good coach.



 

Otis, CMA relies heavily on a frenetic pace, keyed by defensive stops, in order for his "system" to work. He simply does not have the horses to play pressure D and turn the ball over, so that he can play uptempo offense. It's one thing to play uptempo off the other team's misses and TOs, it's a whole other thing to play uptempo when taking that ball out. There is no question at this point that last year's roster was much more suited to play at that frenetic pace. 

To be fair 40 minutes of hell was watching this and the Creighton game

Im no math wiz, but I believe that's 80 minutes of hell. lol