(POST GAME) (MSG) Connecticut, Sun., Feb. 13, 12 Noon, FOX

Yes.   Didn’t expect a win at beginning but up 7 was hoping for someone to make a big play at end.    No one did!  No one 

not one really big win this season.
Hard to believe 
 
Year 3, a cupcake schedule and Mike Anderson has put together his worst season so far.  We are supposed to be getting better and we are getting worse.  This is really bad.
 
Phil G post=457488 said:
Yes.   Didn’t expect a win at beginning but up 7 was hoping for someone to make a big play at end.    No one did!  No one 

not one really big win this season.
Hard to believe 
Think you are forgetting Mississippi Valley State.
 
Champagnie is badly overrated.

I guess Wheeler isn't going to the pro's this week.

Loss 25% on coaching and 75% on players. And the players are the ones playing the game regardless of who recruited them. If you want to blame the coach for recruiting, do it in the pre-season. Let's see how accurate you are then with your criticisms.
 
Duke of Earlington post=457489 said:
Year 3, a cupcake schedule and Mike Anderson has put together his worst season so far.  We are supposed to be getting better and we are getting worse.  This is really bad.


has to be one of the most disappointing seasons !!!
 
 
Duke of Earlington post=457443 said:
Catman post=457432 said:
I can’t wait for this F—king season to end!!!!!
Regular season, yes because it means nothing.  But I will get excited again come Big East tourney time.  We need to get everyone healthy and pull a Georgetown.  
This team in not pulling a "Georgetown".  Something will get in the way and go wrong.  It's part of our DNA!!
 
gregbodkin post=457430 said:
Champ actually had a double double but no one noticed.

Champ had an opportunity to make a play that might well have won the game and passed it up. That play was not a missed shot. It was when he got the ball low in the post, early in the second half, singled up on Martin who has 3 fouls. And instead of taking the ball at Martin for a score or hopefully Martin's 4th foul, he held the ball until Whaley (I think) came over to defend him and protect Martin (after which Champ passed the ball).

That play was a microcosm of Julian's struggles this year. He either failed to recognize the situation and what it called for from him, or it took him too long to process the information, or he just didn't have the necessary aggression.

Needless to say the failure to pick up that foul on Martin led to about 12 more points from him on four 3s and cost us the game. There were other contributing factors but the team played well enough to win and that was just an egregious error IMO.
 
AlBovino post=457491 said:
Champagnie is badly overrated.

I guess Wheeler isn't going to the pro's this week.

Loss 25% on coaching and 75% on players. And the players are the ones playing the game regardless of who recruited them. If you want to blame the coach for recruiting, do it in the pre-season. Let's see how accurate you are then with your criticisms.               That’s   True , Al .  You haven’t posted in a while .    But , this Board was over the top Pre season with how the newcomers were a up grade over those leaving .   I was suspect because 8 Players leaving , experienced ones , is never good .   The comparisons to Marquette are Apples and Oranges . New Coaches coming in like Shaka always lose incumbent players .  He choose new ones pretty well and are still in the NCAA  mix .          The Guys we lost was huge .  No getting around it . Not even with all the smoke being blown .   .
 
lawmanfan post=457495 said:
gregbodkin post=457430 said:
Champ actually had a double double but no one noticed.

Champ had an opportunity to make a play that might well have won the game and passed it up. That play was not a missed shot. It was when he got the ball low in the post, early in the second half, singled up on Martin who has 3 fouls. And instead of taking the ball at Martin for a score or hopefully Martin's 4th foul, he held the ball until Whaley (I think) came over to defend him and protect Martin (after which Champ passed the ball).

That play was a microcosm of Julian's struggles this year. He either failed to recognize the situation and what it called for from him, or it took him too long to process the information, or he just didn't have the necessary aggression.

Needless to say the failure to pick up that foul on Martin led to about 12 more points from him on four 3s and cost us the game. There were other contributing factors but the team played well enough to win and that was just an egregious error IMO.
and after the tv announcers kept saying that St. John’s can’t let Martin make open look threes, which it seemed everyone following the game was well aware of,  but we let him make a few more after that was it not an egregious error on the part of the coaching staff  to continue to leave him wide open. 
as you would say IMO it clearly was. One of the main reasons we lost today. 
 
Just thinking back to Mullin's 3rd year...and those great wins vs. Duke & Nova.

Good ole days.
 
 
Phil G post=457488 said:
Yes.   Didn’t expect a win at beginning but up 7 was hoping for someone to make a big play at end.    No one did!  No one 

not one really big win this season.
Hard to believe 
Not one win over a Big East team with a 500 record or better. One mediocre win over a struggling Seton Hall team at the time.
 
redmannorth post=457499 said:
lawmanfan post=457495 said:
gregbodkin post=457430 said:
Champ actually had a double double but no one noticed.

Champ had an opportunity to make a play that might well have won the game and passed it up. That play was not a missed shot. It was when he got the ball low in the post, early in the second half, singled up on Martin who has 3 fouls. And instead of taking the ball at Martin for a score or hopefully Martin's 4th foul, he held the ball until Whaley (I think) came over to defend him and protect Martin (after which Champ passed the ball).

That play was a microcosm of Julian's struggles this year. He either failed to recognize the situation and what it called for from him, or it took him too long to process the information, or he just didn't have the necessary aggression.

Needless to say the failure to pick up that foul on Martin led to about 12 more points from him on four 3s and cost us the game. There were other contributing factors but the team played well enough to win and that was just an egregious error IMO.
and after the tv announcers kept saying that St. John’s can’t let Martin make open look threes, which it seemed everyone following the game was well aware of,  but we let him make a few more after that was it not an egregious error on the part of the coaching staff  to continue to leave him wide open. 
as you would say IMO it clearly was. One of the main reasons we lost today. 

Being at the game I don't get the benefit of listening to the talking heads. My observation was that the U Conn created problems with the length of their post players which caused the defense to cheat in leaving Martin open. The game was not lost by defense, it was lost by poor offensive efficiency which has been the story in most of our losses. If you don't hit layups or free throws, shoot 20% from 3, have no point guard, and your star goes missing for most of the season, it tends to have an adverse impact on your offensive efficiency.

Also I don't think Anderson would have been effective guarding Martin and he doesn't have any eligibility left anyway
 
espken post=457454 said:
gregbodkin post=457430 said:
Champ actually had a double double but no one noticed.
I appreciate his rebounding today, but 13 points, 6-16 from the field, missing a key front end of a 1-and-1. Once again if he just scores his average it would have been enough. These are the type of games you need your all-conference player to step up.
He did the same in losses at home to SH, PC, Nova, and now UConn. 
IMO, most egregious aspect is ZERO fouls when UCONN had 3 key players in FT one of whom was guarding him
 
NCJohnnie post=457446 said:
Very fair to call this season a disappointment, but let's not call this game anything but what it was - a hard fought typical Big East basketball game which was a hell of a watch even though our guys lost.  
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you r right very entertaining game against a top 25 opponent.
problem is we had a slight pulse regarding NCAA tourney. Now it’s gone. Have to win some of these games. 
Smith and Coburn shot something like 2 for 15.
 
 
lawmanfan post=457502 said:
redmannorth post=457499 said:
lawmanfan post=457495 said:
gregbodkin post=457430 said:
Champ actually had a double double but no one noticed.

Champ had an opportunity to make a play that might well have won the game and passed it up. That play was not a missed shot. It was when he got the ball low in the post, early in the second half, singled up on Martin who has 3 fouls. And instead of taking the ball at Martin for a score or hopefully Martin's 4th foul, he held the ball until Whaley (I think) came over to defend him and protect Martin (after which Champ passed the ball).

That play was a microcosm of Julian's struggles this year. He either failed to recognize the situation and what it called for from him, or it took him too long to process the information, or he just didn't have the necessary aggression.

Needless to say the failure to pick up that foul on Martin led to about 12 more points from him on four 3s and cost us the game. There were other contributing factors but the team played well enough to win and that was just an egregious error IMO.
and after the tv announcers kept saying that St. John’s can’t let Martin make open look threes, which it seemed everyone following the game was well aware of,  but we let him make a few more after that was it not an egregious error on the part of the coaching staff  to continue to leave him wide open. 
as you would say IMO it clearly was. One of the main reasons we lost today. 

Being at the game I don't get the benefit of listening to the talking heads. My observation was that the U Conn created problems with the length of their post players which caused the defense to cheat in leaving Martin open. The game was not lost by defense, it was lost by poor offensive efficiency which has been the story in most of our losses. If you don't hit layups or free throws, shoot 20% from 3, have no point guard, and your star goes missing for most of the season, it tends to have an adverse impact on your offensive efficiency.

Also I don't think Anderson would have been effective guarding Martin and he doesn't have any eligibility left anyway
I agree with that argument. The content is spot on. However, we can't put all the burden on Champ. No one else on the court had a double double, including all the UCONN players. He had defenders all over him and he still was able to manage that. Is he having problems? No doubt, but I'll take five more players like him any day.
 
SLYFOXX1968 post=457465 said:
To not get the Ball in Mathis hands down the stretch of this game is puzzling . CMA gave  the ball to Wusu for the inevitable block .  Mathis was on fire . We needed a hoop badly .   Case closed  Champ missing the 1 and1 down the stretch was the ballgame . Wheelers late 3 only prolonged the misery .    It was a terrible call on Mathis . Cole pushed off with his elbow and then fell which was a walk ., Final Play was disorganized and a prayer 3 wasn’t close . There was plenty of time to get a better shot but we didn’t .,. 
Mathis was making circus shots. Kudos to him for his effort but he is not a crunch time go to guy. With that said, Wusu should not have tried to drive unless he was going right at basket thru Sanogo’s chest. At least there was a 50% chance of a foul. As it was there was a 90% chance of a block.
 
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To me the stat that stood out the most was the 13 blocked shots. Besides the terrible shooting and missed free throws, I consider blocked z
shots a turnover because it’s a missed opportunity 
 
Andrew post=457473 said:
I thought it was a pretty enjoyable/hard fought game to watch and there were runs by both teams. I don't think this had anything to do with coaching but a slightly better UCONN team and a team in St. John's that can't win a close one because they don't have a go to player when you need one. After watching the game I agree we probably would have lost with Posh just as we probably would have lost to Pitt with Champ. It has just been that kind of season. We have six more games before the Big East Tournament. Hopefully we can win a few games. Hopefully Posh will get healthy soon. This team isn't very good but I think its a little better then its record. Lets finish strong.
No way we lose this game with Posh.
 
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