(POST GAME) Marquette, Sat., Mar. 7, Noon, NY 9 & FSN / 970AM

[quote="Big Red" post=380514][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

Nah I just don’t think he can play at this level. Not where MA is trying to go. Effort is amazing, but just very limited.[/quote]

If you think running good kids off the team who are very good students, very good role models, play hard and understand the system with three years of college experience, in the hope of getting a sixth recruit for next season who will be better on day 1 out of the gate than Caraher well good luck. That is not the path I would choose.
If you are referring to Steere who refuses to buy in to the system i have no problem with same.
 
[quote="dee" post=380518][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

I've been telling you guys all season ever since I saw cabarer play in mohegan sun that he is good and deserves time. Especially near the end of games when we need a 3 point shooter[/quote] he's shooting like 25% from three this year
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=380522][quote="Big Red" post=380514][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

Nah I just don’t think he can play at this level. Not where MA is trying to go. Effort is amazing, but just very limited.[/quote]

If you think running good kids off the team who are very good students, very good role models, play hard and understand the system with three years of college experience, in the hope of getting a sixth recruit for next season who will be better on day 1 out of the gate than Caraher well good luck. That is not the path I would choose.
If you are referring to Steere who refuses to buy in to the system i have no problem with same.[/quote]

Aside from the fact I agree with you completely North, Steere can transfer and not lose a year of eligibility. Caraher cannot.
 
Regarding Carraher and others, I don't think they should be shown the door. I agree that he is a nice player.

That said, if we are aiming to be near the top of the conference, there is a limit to how many mediocre players you can have on the roster. Some will move on.
 
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=380525][quote="redmannorth" post=380522][quote="Big Red" post=380514][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

Nah I just don’t think he can play at this level. Not where MA is trying to go. Effort is amazing, but just very limited.[/quote]

If you think running good kids off the team who are very good students, very good role models, play hard and understand the system with three years of college experience, in the hope of getting a sixth recruit for next season who will be better on day 1 out of the gate than Caraher well good luck. That is not the path I would choose.
If you are referring to Steere who refuses to buy in to the system i have no problem with same.[/quote]

Aside from the fact I agree with you completely North, Steere can transfer and not lose a year of eligibility. Caraher cannot.[/quote] Didnt someone mention here a month or so aho that Charaher was on track to graduate this year ?
 
[quote="Big Red" post=380514][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

Nah I just don’t think he can play at this level. Not where MA is trying to go. Effort is amazing, but just very limited.[/quote]

I've gone back and forth on my thoughts on Caraher this year, sometimes he's looked completely lost and doesn't look like a high major level player. And other times, like yesterday, he looks like he has some potential. I wouldn't be mad if he's like the 10th or 11th guy in the rotation next year. As redmannorth said having experienced players is sometimes underrated, Caraher knows the system now and plays hard. Also, I think Caraher loves it at St. John's he's pretty vocal about that, I don't think he'll transfer on his own, and he's been getting better and working hard I don't think the staff will ask him to move on either.

I think the guys we'll have to watch in the off-season for possible departures will be...

1. Steere - I think most people are probably assuming he has the highest possibility of transfer due to playing time and his suspension.

2. LJ - Be interesting to see what he does, I'm just going off of other posters here that think he'll look for pro opportunities. Me personally I think he'll be better served to return and showcase his talents with a better roster, and possibly turn himself into a guy that can compete for a 2nd round draft spot or 2-way contract. But, he's an older junior so I can understand that he may want to go ahead and start the clock on his pro career.

3. McGriff - This is just my personal opinion, things have been kinda quiet on him, another poster said he's been limited in practice. I could see a scenario if he's so far behind that the staff may think it's best for him to transfer down to a lower level, with him already redshirting due to injury last year he'd almost be assured immediate eligibility at his next stop.

Everybody else I really can't see transferring they've played a lot of minutes and developed nicely.
 
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Missed the game live, watched the replay on Yes last night, to fit it in the time allotted, they skipped from the score being 18-16 to it being 40-24, then preceded to show a 5 minute profile on Howard during halftime. Pure brilliance.
Just once, on a 3 on 1 break, I want to see LJ pass the ball for an easy layup instead of getting fouled trying for the highlight dunk, then, of course, miss at least one of the free throws. Such a selfish player, tired of hearing about his "range" because he hits a 35footer once in a blue moon.
Comical play of the day was Dunn, getting the inbounds pass with 4 seconds left in the first half, starts walking the ball up the court, where is this guy's head sometimes?
Nice to see Cole get a little PT again.
As an old time basketball guy, nothing more annoying than refs looking at replay to see if a foul was flagrant. Glad they got the Caraher call right, but totally expected them to blow it. Hard fouls are part of the game, enjoy your 2 free throws, that's all you're getting.
 
There is a lot to be said for a guy like Caraher that seems like a great teammate, an excellent student, and an enthusiastic attitude when playing or cheering teammates on. He is over-matched athletically every night, but I never see him moping or giving in. From inside the 3 point line, Caraher will be 50% or better. He is an unselfish player who has gained confidence in recent games. A good guy to have representing SJU.
 
Heard on radio yesterday, announcer indicated St John's is 7-0 when Caraher scores 8 or more. He had 8 yesterday, so make it 8-0.

Board is way too quick to write players off.
 
Caraher is playing just fine at this level as a role player and can still improve. He’s been valuable down the stretch and j don’t want to see him go. He’s a glue-guy for sure. He’s the type of bench player that good teams generally have. This year we have seen the roster shake out for sure. I think at this point, Steere should probably move on as he doesn’t seem to have a place here and not developing like the rest of the team game and attitude-wise. I think Sears probably best suited for a different level as I don’t think he will see the court much next year but seems like a really good kid and works hard. Not a knock on Sears at all.
 
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I've gone back and forth on my thoughts on Caraher this year, sometimes he's looked completely lost and doesn't look like a high major level player. And other times, like yesterday, he looks like he has some potential. I wouldn't be mad if he's like the 10th or 11th guy in the rotation next year. As redmannorth said having experienced players is sometimes underrated, Caraher knows the system now and plays hard......

I think the guys we'll have to watch in the off-season for possible departures will be...

1. Steere - I think most people are probably assuming he has the highest possibility of transfer due to playing time and his suspension.

2. LJ - Be interesting to see what he does, I'm just going off of other posters here that think he'll look for pro opportunities. Me personally I think he'll be better served to return and showcase his talents with a better roster, and possibly turn himself into a guy that can compete for a 2nd round draft spot or 2-way contract. But, he's an older junior so I can understand that he may want to go ahead and start the clock on his pro career.

3. McGriff - This is just my personal opinion, things have been kinda quiet on him, another poster said he's been limited in practice. I could see a scenario if he's so far behind that the staff may think it's best for him to transfer down to a lower level, with him already redshirting due to injury last year he'd almost be assured immediate eligibility at his next stop.

Everybody else I really can't see transferring they've played a lot of minutes and developed nicely.[/quote]
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I agree that hope Caraher does not transfer. His development this season has been dramatic through his hard work and good coaching. I disagree that he would be a bench player as a senior. He reminds me of someone who would start on a successful mid- major team (see Vermont) that defeats St. John’s. (See heads up rebound in last 4+/- minutes of Marquette game)

Steere .... not sure what the relationship did not work out but it is likely in everyone’s interests if he moves on.

McGriff. .... I am not sure anyone knows how good this 5’10” kid is particularly if he has not regularly practiced. In this cold world I would not begrudge Coach Anderson if he suggests to McGriff that he transfer if he believes that Dunn, Williams and Alexander can carry the load.

LJ ..... I hope he returns. In many ways I believe LJ needs StJohn’s and Coach Anderson’s mentoring more than St. John’s need LJ. He needs to learn to play more disciplined style of play.if he wants to make real money playing professional basketball.

I have confidence in Coach Anderson and his staff.

Keep hope alive.
 
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Haven't seen any references to this, but yesterday's win is Q1 (Marquette #26 in NET even after yesterday's results).

Certainly good for our NIT resume! We're now #66 in NET with a bunch of Q1 wins.

As I've said pre-season, a NIT bid would make for a successful season. We might be there already, but beating Georgetown would probably clinch it.
 
I think Caraher is a little slow to play many minutes at this level, but he’s got good intangibles. He has a nose for the ball and gets good rebounding position. I don’t like him in the middle when we are being pressed.

Speaking of being pressed, a lot of work needed. Please quit letting the dribbler let defenders close then attempt to pass or dribble through the coverage. Frustrating lack of basketball i.q.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=380455][quote="Section9" post=380442][quote="RedStormNC" post=380342][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=380331]In light of the publicity about playing less games at the Garden , what was the Attendance today ? Allowing for a 12 noon start , Corona Virus, etc .[/quote]

Attendance was 7,720[/quote]

And SJU gave away a bunch of tickets to faculty and employees.[/quote]

Look at the bright side. We could have played this game in an empty arena due to the pandemic of fear griping the nation. A noon Saturday start against an unranked team likely cost a thousand fans.
The brightest part of the game was watching the unheralded players playing the most important roles in the game.
Julian was spectacular and Rutherford played the best game if his career. Beating Georgetown would make this season special given the mal'occhio of losing Heron, then Roberts and Rasheem suffering from a URI. The only true point guard McGriff never even suited up for the season. 16-15 looks mediocre but there were ar least 3 games we should have won. 19-12 would have us discussing the NCAA instead of the NIT.
Kudos to the players, coaches , seniors and their families on this special day.[/quote]

I wasn't complaining, just relaying some info and thanks for all the good vibes in your post, which I agree with..

We would have packed CA for this game despite all the bad juju you mentioned. I'm probably in the minority here but until we can put together a consistently winning program, we're better off playing more BE games at CA.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=380522][quote="Big Red" post=380514][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

Nah I just don’t think he can play at this level. Not where MA is trying to go. Effort is amazing, but just very limited.[/quote]

If you think running good kids off the team who are very good students, very good role models, play hard and understand the system with three years of college experience, in the hope of getting a sixth recruit for next season who will be better on day 1 out of the gate than Caraher well good luck. That is not the path I would choose.
If you are referring to Steere who refuses to buy in to the system i have no problem with same.[/quote]

This isn’t a charity. Once we get more good players, he won’t be barely able to get off the bench. Sorry just being honest. I like him and he’s had his moments... but he was a reach by the previous staff. He gets killed on defense, really doesn’t have to athletic ability to rebound at a higher level, and he can’t shoot. Not a ball handler.. Can’t really help on the press.. I mean let’s be honest. Not up to this level of play, and won’t get off the bench his senior year. He might get a couple of minutes next year. But if you guys are really trying to go the levels MA is trying to take us, he’s not really gonna make it.
 
And to be clear, there’s going to be a situation where the staff can find a kid like Caraher that can actually play on this level and be a high level contributor. It’s no knock on the kid, but it’s a business at the end of the day. We need more horses in the stable.

Caraher played the 4/5 at Houston Baptist for a reason. He’s gotten better this year, but when I look at better and see ME, Champ, and GW... it’s just different man. Maybe as a 10th, 11th guy on the roster.. but is he really playing at that point? Bring a young guy who can learn in that role and contribute as well as have a higher ceiling. MA is trying to get St Johns back to the Final Four days and I think he can/will do it.
 
[quote="Big Red" post=380573]And to be clear, there’s going to be a situation where the staff can find a kid like Caraher that can actually play on this level and be a high level contributor. It’s no knock on the kid, but it’s a business at the end of the day. We need more horses in the stable.

Caraher played the 4/5 at Houston Baptist for a reason. He’s gotten better this year, but when I look at better and see ME, Champ, and GW... it’s just different man. Maybe as a 10th, 11th guy on the roster.. but is he really playing at that point? Bring a young guy who can learn in that role and contribute as well as have a higher ceiling. MA is trying to get St Johns back to the Final Four days and I think he can/will do it.[/quote]

Know nothing about increasing shooting range but if Caraher develops same accuracy level on 3's as he shows on 15-18 footers he could be an asset. My sense is that he doesn't stop moving without the ball and as someone from the Havlicek/Bradley era of basketball, that breaks down defenses over time and adds strain to an opponent that is already not comfortable with forty minutes of hell.
 
Still not happy with our lack of defense against the opposition's guards. Too many easy drives around our guys, especially in the second half, perhaps resulting from our 40 minutes of hell.. Penetration leads to unnecessary fouls by guys like Earlington.
 
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