(POST GAME) Marquette, Sat., Mar. 7, Noon, NY 9 & FSN / 970AM

[quote="fuchsia" post=380579][quote="Big Red" post=380573]And to be clear, there’s going to be a situation where the staff can find a kid like Caraher that can actually play on this level and be a high level contributor. It’s no knock on the kid, but it’s a business at the end of the day. We need more horses in the stable.

Caraher played the 4/5 at Houston Baptist for a reason. He’s gotten better this year, but when I look at better and see ME, Champ, and GW... it’s just different man. Maybe as a 10th, 11th guy on the roster.. but is he really playing at that point? Bring a young guy who can learn in that role and contribute as well as have a higher ceiling. MA is trying to get St Johns back to the Final Four days and I think he can/will do it.[/quote]

Know nothing about increasing shooting range but if Caraher develops same accuracy level on 3's as he shows on 15-18 footers he could be an asset. My sense is that he doesn't stop moving without the ball and as someone from the Havlicek/Bradley era of basketball, that breaks down defenses over time and adds strain to an opponent that is already not comfortable with forty minutes of hell.[/quote]

You’re so right about that! And that’s the one reason I want him to stay. Doesn’t care about scoring, keeps the ball moving and and generally makes good decisions. Doesn’t force anything. Our rhythm has been much better while he’s been playing lately.
 
[quote="Big Red" post=380570][quote="redmannorth" post=380522][quote="Big Red" post=380514][quote="redmannorth" post=380513][quote="SJU11Redmen" post=380511][quote="RM86" post=380509]I thought Caraher played his best game of the season, he got to a big 50/50 ball late in the game on an offensive rebound that led to a base.[/quote]

Caraher is such a heady basketball player. If he keeps improving his conditioning and shooting he is going to be a very steady contributor for the next few years. Would be very upset if he left.[/quote]

I concur 100%. He may not be a star In the BE but he has certainly contributed, albeit at various levels , this season. No one should discount the experience factor and team continuity on a going forward basis.[/quote]

Nah I just don’t think he can play at this level. Not where MA is trying to go. Effort is amazing, but just very limited.[/quote]

If you think running good kids off the team who are very good students, very good role models, play hard and understand the system with three years of college experience, in the hope of getting a sixth recruit for next season who will be better on day 1 out of the gate than Caraher well good luck. That is not the path I would choose.
If you are referring to Steere who refuses to buy in to the system i have no problem with same.[/quote]

This isn’t a charity. Once we get more good players, he won’t be barely able to get off the bench. Sorry just being honest. I like him and he’s had his moments... but he was a reach by the previous staff. He gets killed on defense, really doesn’t have to athletic ability to rebound at a higher level, and he can’t shoot. Not a ball handler.. Can’t really help on the press.. I mean let’s be honest. Not up to this level of play, and won’t get off the bench his senior year. He might get a couple of minutes next year. But if you guys are really trying to go the levels MA is trying to take us, he’s not really gonna make it.[/quote]



If you really think coach will sit Caraher next year even though he plays some major minutes this year I do not believe this will happen. Just the fact he is getting enough playing time and experience will result in his fitting in the rotation. Sure he's slow but his shot has improved with playing time and he is always around the boards fighting for rebounds. He's someone I see that won't hurt us as a sub next year.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=380312]Did LJ play in a one arm league last summer? Enough of the single wing floaters please[/quote]

Agree. Some are not even floaters but bricks, obviously because he can't finish on his drives.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=380356]I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wojo out after this season. Their fan base isn’t very happy with him.[/quote]

I don't blame them, especially leaving Jayse Johnson on the bench. Just look at his rebounds and tap ins last night. The fact he had three fouls and never returned was no excuse.
 
I would keep Caraher just for the fact that he a dying breed that still uses the backboard on some of his shots. Nothing prettier than a 15 foot bank shot from a 45 degree angle ala John Havelicek or Sam Jones (and I hated those Celtic teams).
 
[quote="bamafan" post=380590]I would keep Caraher just for the fact that he a dying breed that still uses the backboard on some of his shots. Nothing prettier than a 15 foot bank shot from a 45 degree angle ala John Havelicek or Sam Jones (and I hated those Celtic teams).[/quote]

If he stopped shooting threes and we ran plays for him that allowed him a mid range jumper instead of him trying to create his own shot he would be solid player.
 
Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.
 
[quote="gman" post=380492]Some of their fans are calling for Wojo's head.

In 6 years he has produced

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Marquette Golden Eagles (Big East Conference) (2014–present)
2014–15 Marquette 13–19 4–14 T–9th
2015–16 Marquette 20–13 8–10 7th
2016–17 Marquette 19–13 10–8 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2017–18 Marquette 21–14 9–9 T–6th NIT Quarterfinals
2018–19 Marquette 24–10 12–6 2nd NCAA Round of 64
2019–20 Marquette 18–12 8–10 T–6th

They have the #14 class next year with three 4* players coming in, but replacing Howard is going to be tough.[/quote]
Think he has done a good job although they always seem to lean too much toward the finesse side
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=380592]Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.[/quote]

But if he graduates he can do whatever he wants.
 
I think Coach Anderson and staff like the play of Caraher. He’s usually one of the first off the bench and Anderson doesn’t seem to hesitate using him . As others have said, Caraher keeps the ball moving and the team is more in motion when he’s in there . Instead of standing around on the perimeter or dribbling aimlessly , which we do frequently . No , I don’t think Coach wants to let him go
 
[quote="Moose" post=380596][quote="NCJohnnie" post=380592]Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.[/quote]

But if he graduates he can do whatever he wants.[/quote]

just curious, when a scholarship is provided, does it cover unlimited credits per year where a kid can take 4 years of courses in 3 and then bolt if they want without having to payback tuition for the 4th year of credits?
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=380603][quote="Moose" post=380596][quote="NCJohnnie" post=380592]Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.[/quote]

But if he graduates he can do whatever he wants.[/quote]

just curious, when a scholarship is provided, does it cover unlimited credits per year where a kid can take 4 years of courses in 3 and then bolt if they want without having to payback tuition for the 4th year of credits?[/quote]

Scholarships are yearly.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=380603][quote="Moose" post=380596][quote="NCJohnnie" post=380592]Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.[/quote]

But if he graduates he can do whatever he wants.[/quote]

just curious, when a scholarship is provided, does it cover unlimited credits per year where a kid can take 4 years of courses in 3 and then bolt if they want without having to payback tuition for the 4th year of credits?[/quote]

Punishing a kid for remembering the "student" part of "student-athlete" would be a horrible look for a school as well as the NCAA.

There are certainly kids who teams probably wanted to stick with a bill, but Caraher has done literally everything the staff has asked of him. Better chance of him getting a genuinely warm embrace on the way out the door than a tuition bill.
 
[quote="Moose" post=380615]Scholarships are yearly.[/quote]

And that would have been a good point to remember before I typed my answer.:lol:
 
Moose wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.

But if he graduates he can do whatever he wants.

Understood Moose. Totally get it that he can transfer should he want to, was more responding to posters implying that Caraher might be forced out.
 
I don't know anything about the number of credits David has accumulated but if he is able to graduate at the end of this summer I would be surprised if he returns to St. John's for post grad play. He is supposedly a very bright student and could probably earn some money in Europe after his U.S. playing days are over. He is also interested in attending law school so I can see him returning down south for more playing time and to add to his academic profile. Bob Mckillop would love this type of player.
 
Busy weekend so could't post, but that was a very relieving win. Lose that game and there's no NIT, no .500 or better record, and a bad taste to end our reg season. Instead, we hold on barely and we should be in the NIT regardless of what happens in BET since worst case scenario is .500. That qualifies us for NIT and how many teams have 3 top 10 NET wins? Not sure you can leave a team out like us in the NIT but would be nice to win vs. G'Town and make it 100%. That would make us 17-15 in year 1 of CMA. After seeing those awful Mullin years, it has been refreshing to have a rebuilding year and still be a decent team. Let's hope our new guys become good players and we are at least on the bubble next year with a better conference performance after talent upgrade.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=380603][quote="Moose" post=380596][quote="NCJohnnie" post=380592]Caraher does all the little things very well and his confidence playing against BE competition seems to have gradually improved. No way staff will encourage him to leave imho.[/quote]

But if he graduates he can do whatever he wants.[/quote]

just curious, when a scholarship is provided, does it cover unlimited credits per year where a kid can take 4 years of courses in 3 and then bolt if they want without having to payback tuition for the 4th year of credits?[/quote]

One reason it is relatively easier to graduate early as a basketball player is since they are on campus during winter and summer breaks they can up their credits by taking classes during those sessions. Of course it's tough to take a heavy course load in the normal semesters, especially spring, due to the team workload.
 
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