(POST-GAME) DePaul, Sat. Jan. 12, 6p, CBS SN / 970 AM

[quote="Eric Williamson" post=314813][quote="Logen" post=314731]I did not see the game last night, I had a speaking engagement so I DVR'd it. Saw the score and box score and came on the board to read the pre-game thread to find out why Ponds did not play. Have not read any other game or post-game comments because I know how they will read. My thoughts went somewhere else and are really reflective of my age and the era I grew up in versus the "Me" generation.
I am not naïve to say this was an absolute because it was not, but "back in the day" team mattered, teammates mattered, commitments mattered. This culture was certainly taken advantage of by those in "authority" and one can make an argument that looking out for No. 1 is perfectly justified. As much as I hate to say it, I would have a hard arguing against that. But I couldn't help thinking that IMO, and it is only an opinion, we have had several sabotaged teams in the last few years. Jakaar Sampson hijacked one season playing selfishly for a pro contract, LoVett quit on the team last year, and while this season is far from over I couldn't help but think if Mikey Dixon really thought he was a BE player last night would have been his opportunity to prove it. I am not judging him, it is the world he grew up in and he has every right to do what he did but for an old fart like me the "modern" sports culture is slowly but surely eroding my interest. I understand we very well could have lost if Dixon were here, we gave up 48 points in the 2nd half and neither Ponds or Dixon would have likely changed that but if either were available we would have undoubtedly scored more than 71.
But honestly, it goes deeper for me than a lost game. You see in college football now, some players, and it is still rare, don't play in bowl games because of the risk of injury affecting their draft status or ending their NFL aspirations. IMO, it is only a matter of time before players do like LoVett did and "shut it down" rather than risk further injury no matter the extent of their injury.
Free agency has been a factor in my losing interest in pro sports, college has moved to its own version of roster uncertainty.[/quote]

In my opinion, the whole transfer game is a two way street. You wish for and want to see loyalty from players, and hope they have that team first mentality. But you also have to expect that same loyalty from the schools and coaches as well. Unfortunately, none of us know what exactly is said or promised to players during the recruiting process. When our coaches sat down with Dixon, I'm sure they had their plans and ideas for him all laid out, and he was promised X amount of playing time and was told how he fit into the 'big picture'. However, for whatever reason(s), those plans/ideas never materialized, and he decided to move on. This is more than likely Dixon's last opportunity to play competitive basketball, so you can't blame him for not wanting to waste that opportunity on the bench. Another example is Jalen Hurts. Two years ago he was the starting QB in the national championship game. After he plays bad in one half, he gets benched and he's not really ever heard from again (although he did stay at Alabama to finish and is now looking for a new school as a transfer). Where was the loyalty from Saban? If coaches are ready to move on to the next man up, why can't players? As far as sitting out bowl games or shutting it down. I personally completely understand and respect their decisions. Nick Bosa is going to be a top 5 pick in the draft, and if I'm him, I do not do anything that puts that at risk. Many of these players view college athletics as a means to a greater end. It is sort of like an entry level job.[/quote]

I could not have been clearer that I was not criticizing Dixon. I was discussing how the movement of players is having a negative affect on my rooting interest. I guess I wrote X, you read Y.
 
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[quote="SJU61982" post=314616][quote="Monte" post=314613]Just got home from game. A few observations:

-energy level by the team and the crowd about as low as I can remember it for most of game, right from get-go

- Refs sucked for both teams

-we were 6 pt favs without Ponds, no excuse for losing tonight

-DePaul in control for most of game. Hoping we could pull out home court win much like SH(notwithstanding the gift by the refs) and Nova did to us after we were in control most of game. Clearly we’re not SH or Nova, certainly not without Ponds.

-my first game at CA all year. Forgot how uncomfortable and tight the seats are. Will stick to MSG for, maybe, the rest of my life


Other then that, not much to add that hasn’t already been said[/quote]

Energy was bad? I don't know. We couldn't make a shot, that I know. That makes your energy look bad.

I knew this would be a long day when, early on, a Depaul player took a three pointer, trying to do nothing else but get fouled (he was trying to draw contact when he shot, and nothing else), and it went in.[/quote]


Yes, energy bad:

“Obviously he is a great player, so without him, we approach things a little differently,” Mullin said. “Anytime you take your best player off the team, it has an effect. We came out and we played okay. A little passive, I thought, but overall, in the second half, we picked up our energy. We just need to play through.”
 
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[quote="gonzalo" post=314713][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

We have several Top 100 players. Although our best player didn´t play we should have won.
When Olujobi visited us in April some of our coaches were not in the visit.
Olujobi scored 27 games with good percentages.
Our big men (Keita and Roberts) have scored 9 points (4/13 fg) in all the season.[/quote] I really wanted Femi. He is what we are missing. Staff should have put the full court press on him.
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=314767]With Ponds in the lineup and playing 38 minutes we were blown out by DePaul by 17 at Carnesecca last season. In that game 6' 11" 240 Lbs. Croatian Grad Transfer Marin Maric dominated us inside and scored 25 points and had 11 boards. That night we could not handle DePaul's inside game and we were out rebounded 46 to 30.

Fast forward one year, back at Carnesecca Arena and this time with no Ponds, DePaul again dominated us on the inside. 6' 9" 260 Lbs. Senior Transfer Femi Olujobi scored 27 Points and had 8 rebounds. Again we were out rebounded as a team 43 to 34.

Not to minimize Ponds immense talent or tremendous value to our team but last year we played three times without Ponds and played pretty well each time. We beat Butler at home in double OT and lost close games to Seton Hall and Providence on the road. Last night we did not play well without Ponds and clearly missed him, but getting dominated on the inside was not because Ponds didn't play.

For whatever reason the team did not play particularly well last night. One of the strengths of our team is turning over our opponent and scoring in transition. This did not happen last night. DePaul is the first team that had less than double digit turnovers against us this season. Possibly because of foul trouble and somewhat related to the way the game was called we could not sustain our intensity and create the type of open court game that we thrive in.

Like last year we did not match up well with DePaul's size and they exploited us down low and on the boards. Additionally without transition points we went back to relying on shooting the three, but they often were contested threes and they were not falling for us.

Going forward we will need to play with more intensity, stay out of foul trouble, find a way to compete better on the boards and spread the floor better than we did last night. Getting Ponds back is very key but playing at our best is even more key.[/quote]
Ponds got hurt early in the 2nd half of last year’s game.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=314818][quote="gonzalo" post=314713][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

We have several Top 100 players. Although our best player didn´t play we should have won.
When Olujobi visited us in April some of our coaches were not in the visit.
Olujobi scored 27 games with good percentages.
Our big men (Keita and Roberts) have scored 9 points (4/13 fg) in all the season.[/quote] I really wanted Femi. He is what we are missing. Staff should have put the full court press on him.[/quote]

How's this for payback

"A little vendetta," Olujobi said with a wry grin as he received hugs and handshakes from a parade of pals. "I had a little extra energy to come play St. John's."

"I love talking trash," Olujobi said with a smile.

The graduate transfer from North Carolina A&T, who began his college career at Oakland (Michigan), estimated he had about 60 friends and family members in the stands. He said he was always interested in playing for St. John's and the school recruited him, but it "just didn't work out."

"I found my fit at DePaul," Olujobi said.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thenewstribune.com/sports/article224472605.html[/URL]
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=314779]Must say, having seen Heron a lot up here in Ct & on TV at Auburn, I am very surprised by his struggles. Really pressing & hopefully gets back in sync soon.[/quote]
Paultz

I didn’t see much of Heron at Auburn. How was used offensively? Perimeter shooter? Drives? Difference between then and now?
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=314820][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=314818][quote="gonzalo" post=314713][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

We have several Top 100 players. Although our best player didn´t play we should have won.
When Olujobi visited us in April some of our coaches were not in the visit.
Olujobi scored 27 games with good percentages.
Our big men (Keita and Roberts) have scored 9 points (4/13 fg) in all the season.[/quote] I really wanted Femi. He is what we are missing. Staff should have put the full court press on him.[/quote]

How's this for payback

"A little vendetta," Olujobi said with a wry grin as he received hugs and handshakes from a parade of pals. "I had a little extra energy to come play St. John's."

"I love talking trash," Olujobi said with a smile.

The graduate transfer from North Carolina A&T, who began his college career at Oakland (Michigan), estimated he had about 60 friends and family members in the stands. He said he was always interested in playing for St. John's and the school recruited him, but it "just didn't work out."

"I found my fit at DePaul," Olujobi said.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thenewstribune.com/sports/article224472605.html[/URL][/quote] I love the quote that he was always interested in playing for SJU but it didn’t work out. I wonder why?
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=314822][quote="RedStormNC" post=314820][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=314818][quote="gonzalo" post=314713][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

We have several Top 100 players. Although our best player didn´t play we should have won.
When Olujobi visited us in April some of our coaches were not in the visit.
Olujobi scored 27 games with good percentages.
Our big men (Keita and Roberts) have scored 9 points (4/13 fg) in all the season.[/quote] I really wanted Femi. He is what we are missing. Staff should have put the full court press on him.[/quote]

How's this for payback

"A little vendetta," Olujobi said with a wry grin as he received hugs and handshakes from a parade of pals. "I had a little extra energy to come play St. John's."

"I love talking trash," Olujobi said with a smile.

The graduate transfer from North Carolina A&T, who began his college career at Oakland (Michigan), estimated he had about 60 friends and family members in the stands. He said he was always interested in playing for St. John's and the school recruited him, but it "just didn't work out."

"I found my fit at DePaul," Olujobi said.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thenewstribune.com/sports/article224472605.html[/URL][/quote] I love the quote that he was always interested in playing for SJU but it didn’t work out. I wonder why?[/quote]

Ask him what coaches were present on his visit and how hard did they go after him.
 
Don't know if it was mentioned, but Clark was really aggressive on the defensive boards last night. I know he didn't shoot well, but (as usual) high effort was there.

Guy was great find for us. #Leader
 
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[quote="Monte" post=314817][quote="SJU61982" post=314616][quote="Monte" post=314613]Just got home from game. A few observations:

-energy level by the team and the crowd about as low as I can remember it for most of game, right from get-go

- Refs sucked for both teams

-we were 6 pt favs without Ponds, no excuse for losing tonight

-DePaul in control for most of game. Hoping we could pull out home court win much like SH(notwithstanding the gift by the refs) and Nova did to us after we were in control most of game. Clearly we’re not SH or Nova, certainly not without Ponds.

-my first game at CA all year. Forgot how uncomfortable and tight the seats are. Will stick to MSG for, maybe, the rest of my life


Other then that, not much to add that hasn’t already been said[/quote]

Energy was bad? I don't know. We couldn't make a shot, that I know. That makes your energy look bad.

I knew this would be a long day when, early on, a Depaul player took a three pointer, trying to do nothing else but get fouled (he was trying to draw contact when he shot, and nothing else), and it went in.[/quote]


Yes, energy bad:

“Obviously he is a great player, so without him, we approach things a little differently,” Mullin said. “Anytime you take your best player off the team, it has an effect. We came out and we played okay. A little passive, I thought, but overall, in the second half, we picked up our energy. We just need to play through.”[/quote]

Well, we missed our first 3 or 4 shots. If half of those go in, maybe the energy picks.

Most of the time, the missed shots cause the perceived lack of energy, IMO.
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=314799][quote="Class of 72" post=314798][quote="rawdognyc" post=314784][quote="Class of 72" post=314774][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]

I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]

You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]


Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.

We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]

Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=314826]Don't know if it was mentioned, but Clark was really aggressive on the defensive boards last night. I know he didn't shoot well, but (as usual) high effort was there.

Guy was great find for us. #Leader[/quote]

We're lucky to have Clark. We're going to miss him next year.
 
[quote="Room112" post=314831][quote="JohnnyFan" post=314826]Don't know if it was mentioned, but Clark was really aggressive on the defensive boards last night. I know he didn't shoot well, but (as usual) high effort was there.

Guy was great find for us. #Leader[/quote]

We're lucky to have Clark. We're going to miss him next year.[/quote]

Agreed. While he was ice cold last night (when we really needed him to be hot), I don't think he took many (if any) crazy shots. Cold shooting nights just go with the territory of being a shooter.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=314828][quote="rawdognyc" post=314799][quote="Class of 72" post=314798][quote="rawdognyc" post=314784][quote="Class of 72" post=314774][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]

I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]

You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]


Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.

We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]

Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.[/quote]

Imploding in the job? Worse than the rape comment Jarvis made concerning Barkley? I didn’t love Mullin’s comments either, but I think you’re reacting just a wee bit. Remember when John Cheaney called his own player a thug and basically admitted the player’s main purpose was to get into the game and commit hard fouls. That was pretty bad.
 
Tuff to face the reality of a bad loss and all the comments on this board. I agree with a lot. Heron fouls a lot and didn’t step up. Neither did the bench. We are rudderless without Ponds. Get healthy, kiddo.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=314787]It happens with every St. John's coach, going back to the Jarvis' years. I remember criticizing him earlier in his stay. Didn't get called a vulture but was attacked until everybody wanted him gone. Look, Mullin has the best starting lineup in the Big East,.unfortunately no height and bench. Clearly his fault. Let's face it though if he fails to make the NCAA Tournament this year it may be time to look elsewhere.
As far as refs putting the screws to Mullin it may be due to his constant and I do mean constant complaining. Take it from someone who was thrown out of a major baseball game at Hofstra.Not guilty of course.[/quote]

I know you played baseball for sju back in the larry bearnearth days and greatly respect your baseball career and accumen.

I think Mullin tried to get that T to fire up the crowd, his team, and to influence the refs. Notice he waited till depaul had the ball to really go off, since if we had the ball I believe the ball goes to depaul. Boeheim was a master at earning t's then getting calls.

I used to work the us open tennis in college, mens locker room. One of Johnny Mac's closest friends on the tour once told me to watch mac because he never went berserk at a call when he was ahead and playing well. Always designed to throw his opponent off by breaking his concentration.

Not saying mullin doesnt worry far too much about reffing, but this one he tried to earn
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=314834][quote="Class of 72" post=314828][quote="rawdognyc" post=314799][quote="Class of 72" post=314798][quote="rawdognyc" post=314784][quote="Class of 72" post=314774][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]

I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]

You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]


Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.

We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]

Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.[/quote]

Imploding in the job? Worse than the rape comment Jarvis made concerning Barkley? I didn’t love Mullin’s comments either, but I think you’re reacting just a wee bit. Remember when John Cheaney called his own player a thug and basically admitted the player’s main purpose was to get into the game and commit hard fouls. That was pretty bad.[/quote]

I didn't say "worse" I said as disturbing. Jarvis tried to emphasize getting screwed by the powers that he saw as oppressive by using rape as a metaphor. Metaphorical use is one thing but Mullin made no attempt at metaphor. He felt if the refs were going to screw St. John's then we should be illegally aggressive in committing fouls. That's a jock speaking from his jock strap and not a teacher of young men. I understand his anger after a home loss in front of a packed house but it sounded awful no matter how you slice it.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=314838][quote="Boo Harvey" post=314834][quote="Class of 72" post=314828][quote="rawdognyc" post=314799][quote="Class of 72" post=314798][quote="rawdognyc" post=314784][quote="Class of 72" post=314774][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]

I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]

You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]


Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.

We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]

Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.[/quote]

Imploding in the job? Worse than the rape comment Jarvis made concerning Barkley? I didn’t love Mullin’s comments either, but I think you’re reacting just a wee bit. Remember when John Cheaney called his own player a thug and basically admitted the player’s main purpose was to get into the game and commit hard fouls. That was pretty bad.[/quote]

I didn't say "worse" I said as disturbing. Jarvis tried to emphasize getting screwed by the powers that he saw as oppressive by using rape as a metaphor. Metaphorical use is one thing but Mullin made no attempt at metaphor. He felt if the refs were going to screw St. John's then we should be illegally aggressive in committing fouls. That's a jock speaking from his jock strap and not a teacher of young men. I understand his anger after a home loss in front of a packed house but it sounded awful no matter how you slice it.[/quote]

My favorite interviews are bobby knights. I always learn a ton. However if you asked him what he thought was a dumb question he'd go off on you. Who really expects to learn a damned thing in a post game interview? John Thompson once threatened to send his players into the stands after taunting fans. Of course if mullin said that last night you'd have a problem w that - or likely crapped your pants. :)
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=314840][quote="Class of 72" post=314838][quote="Boo Harvey" post=314834][quote="Class of 72" post=314828][quote="rawdognyc" post=314799][quote="Class of 72" post=314798][quote="rawdognyc" post=314784][quote="Class of 72" post=314774][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]

You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]

I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]

You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]


Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.

We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]

Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.[/quote]

Imploding in the job? Worse than the rape comment Jarvis made concerning Barkley? I didn’t love Mullin’s comments either, but I think you’re reacting just a wee bit. Remember when John Cheaney called his own player a thug and basically admitted the player’s main purpose was to get into the game and commit hard fouls. That was pretty bad.[/quote]

I didn't say "worse" I said as disturbing. Jarvis tried to emphasize getting screwed by the powers that he saw as oppressive by using rape as a metaphor. Metaphorical use is one thing but Mullin made no attempt at metaphor. He felt if the refs were going to screw St. John's then we should be illegally aggressive in committing fouls. That's a jock speaking from his jock strap and not a teacher of young men. I understand his anger after a home loss in front of a packed house but it sounded awful no matter how you slice it.[/quote]

My favorite interviews are bobby knights. I always learn a ton. However if you asked him what he thought was a dumb question he'd go off on you. Who really expects to learn a damned thing in a post game interview? John Thompson once threatened to send his players into the stands after taunting fans. Of course if mullin said that last night you'd have a problem w that - or likely crapped your pants. :)[/quote]

Bobby Knight was Saturday Night Live cringe worthy. However, the man was a brilliant tactician and motivator in a military like mentality. Jimmy B at Syracuse was also similar to Mullin in post game mandated pressers. My problem with Mullin was not his attitude but his comment. We, of all teams, don't need further scrutiny by refs on fouls. I know it was in the heat of defeat but a terrible sound bite nonetheless. BTW, the technical on Mully was ill timed. He should have used the motivational tech at the 10 minute mark and not when we were down 6 with 5 minutes left. A top assistant would have kept him in better control.
Unless Mullin and staff have a plan to bring Keita and Roberts along quickly this height issue is going to be a bigger problem than we anticipated.
 
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