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[quote="Class of 72" post=314843][quote="Beast of the East" post=314840][quote="Class of 72" post=314838][quote="Boo Harvey" post=314834][quote="Class of 72" post=314828][quote="rawdognyc" post=314799][quote="Class of 72" post=314798][quote="rawdognyc" post=314784][quote="Class of 72" post=314774][quote="rawdognyc" post=314707]It was only a matter of time before the circling vultures of this board decided to land.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]
You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]
I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]
You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]
Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.
We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]
Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.[/quote]
Imploding in the job? Worse than the rape comment Jarvis made concerning Barkley? I didn’t love Mullin’s comments either, but I think you’re reacting just a wee bit. Remember when John Cheaney called his own player a thug and basically admitted the player’s main purpose was to get into the game and commit hard fouls. That was pretty bad.[/quote]
I didn't say "worse" I said as disturbing. Jarvis tried to emphasize getting screwed by the powers that he saw as oppressive by using rape as a metaphor. Metaphorical use is one thing but Mullin made no attempt at metaphor. He felt if the refs were going to screw St. John's then we should be illegally aggressive in committing fouls. That's a jock speaking from his jock strap and not a teacher of young men. I understand his anger after a home loss in front of a packed house but it sounded awful no matter how you slice it.[/quote]
My favorite interviews are bobby knights. I always learn a ton. However if you asked him what he thought was a dumb question he'd go off on you. Who really expects to learn a damned thing in a post game interview? John Thompson once threatened to send his players into the stands after taunting fans. Of course if mullin said that last night you'd have a problem w that - or likely crapped your pants.
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Bobby Knight was Saturday Night Live cringe worthy. However, the man was a brilliant tactician and motivator in a military like mentality. Jimmy B at Syracuse was also similar to Mullin in post game mandated pressers. My problem with Mullin was not his attitude but his comment. We, of all teams, don't need further scrutiny by refs on fouls. I know it was in the heat of defeat but a terrible sound bite nonetheless. BTW, the technical on Mully was ill timed. He should have used the motivational tech at the 10 minute mark and not when we were down 6 with 5 minutes left. A top assistant would have kept him in better control.
Unless Mullin and staff have a plan to bring Keita and Roberts along quickly this height issue is going to be a bigger problem than we anticipated.[/quote]
My biggest fear before this game was big teams with tons of talent. Like Duke. If we are rational we would admit even getting killed by their bigs we likely win at home w Shamorie. He is the #1 protagonist at doubling down on bigs in the post, harassing and disarming them. Also our best weapon in transition, and we would have beaten DePaul bigs down the floor again and again w him playing 38 mins.
Agree about Knight. Perhaps greatest coach ever.
We lost because we didn't have the best player in the league and one of the best in the country playing. Hard to make up the 34 points between scoring and assists he's responsible for.
Mullin is right, if we're gonna get called for bs fouls anyway, might as well foul them hard.
My only hope is that Ponds returns for our next game so that the trolls can go back under their bridge.[/quote]
You remind of the hunter who shot at pigeons for the fun of it and then tries to cover it up by claiming he thought they were vultures. The irony in your dimwitted comment above is that vultures circle the dead or dying.
I said in my very first post in this game thread " who is going to make up Ponds points". Obviously there had to be a better plan by the coaches. That plan would have involved a defensive tweak. That tweak should not have been 6'3 Trimble guarding a 6'9 forward man to man. One would think that defense would involved putting more pressure on DePaul before the last 3 minutes and before we lost two starters. One would think that tweak would have involved a zone of some type to minimize the 2 DePaul forwards that torched us for 45 points.
Your comments only prove coach Carnesecca right right. One week ago we were peacocks. Today we are feather dusters.
You seem to prefer vulture feathers.
As for Mullin's comments. Impetuous at best and irresponsible at minimum for a guy who doesn't like losing. I think AD Cragg cringed when he heard the comments. His arrogance does the team no favors and unfairly puts his players under scrutiny with any type of hard fouls.
Without Slick this is just an average Big East team. Without bench support we are a weak team. Without coaches who can adjust to the scenario we are St. John's.
Have a nice day.[/quote]
I will have a nice day because I'm not some miserable 70 year old man that repeats the same crap. You think you're clever and witty. You're not. You also must think we give a crap that "your friend" is a doctor. Impressive... Who gives a shit? Try not to have a miserable day. I can't imagine that to be possible though.[/quote]
You see my thin skinned critic you come on here all tough young stud thinking you can beat up on old men but your original missive was more balls than brains. Since I and others were addressing the DePaul game you got busy addressing fans. After I undressed you and proved your balls are no bigger than old men's balls you claim not to give a shit. This was our first meeting with DePaul so not sure what was repetitive about the game analysis other than you think everyone is a vulture, miserable old men, etc. Try to stick to the game at hand and what you see on the court and bench because the selection committee doesn't give a crap about your personal feelings being hurt. Mullin's words about advocating playing dirty will come back to haunt him. Stay tuned.[/quote]
Incompetent coaching staff.
Not enough size.
Not enough depth.
Lather rinse repeat.
We get it.
We are St. John's[/quote]
Well genius, if we lost to DePaul because Slick was sick, amongst other things, then your conclusion would be we could lose every single game he doesn't play in. Ergo, the best team in 20 years could go winless because of one player even though we have 4 and 5 star players making up our first 6 players before we even get to Williams and Trimble.
From preseason I said the lack of size and depth was going go be our Achilles heel and would factor into our Big East games. Every neutral pundit that wrote about the game referenced the size factor. Our bench scored ZERO points. Our staff made no defensive adjustments other than pressing in the last three minutes.
Yes, lather, rinse, repeat unless you are watching with rose colored glasses.
If you therefore "get it" why do you act so miffed at the obvious? Are you pissed at the journalists that make these observations? Maybe 5 out NBA ball only works if you have 5 guys that could consistently put the ball in the hoop. If one guy is out and he is your best player and Clark is shooting 1 for 7 from three you need to adjust your game plan.
My question to you is did that happen?
Mullin is improving as a coach but my point that is repetitive is he needs more help than he currently has. Matt and Mitch are valuable only pre game in their respective areas of expertise. Having both Mullin and St. Jean learning and making it up as they go has been an exercise in futility.
If you truly got it you would not pin the loss on Ponds absence but where it belongs. Mullin reluctantly took 100% responsibility but not being the math genius he also blamed 95% of the loss on bad calls and announced a new policy. We are going to play dirty. "We're going to hit them in the neck so they don't get up".
Listen to the post game press conference. It was as disturbing as the Jarvis' rape comment.
There is no lather, rinse and repeat in pointing that out. It is not new at St. John's in having a coach implode on the job.
However, it has never ended well.[/quote]
Imploding in the job? Worse than the rape comment Jarvis made concerning Barkley? I didn’t love Mullin’s comments either, but I think you’re reacting just a wee bit. Remember when John Cheaney called his own player a thug and basically admitted the player’s main purpose was to get into the game and commit hard fouls. That was pretty bad.[/quote]
I didn't say "worse" I said as disturbing. Jarvis tried to emphasize getting screwed by the powers that he saw as oppressive by using rape as a metaphor. Metaphorical use is one thing but Mullin made no attempt at metaphor. He felt if the refs were going to screw St. John's then we should be illegally aggressive in committing fouls. That's a jock speaking from his jock strap and not a teacher of young men. I understand his anger after a home loss in front of a packed house but it sounded awful no matter how you slice it.[/quote]
My favorite interviews are bobby knights. I always learn a ton. However if you asked him what he thought was a dumb question he'd go off on you. Who really expects to learn a damned thing in a post game interview? John Thompson once threatened to send his players into the stands after taunting fans. Of course if mullin said that last night you'd have a problem w that - or likely crapped your pants.
[/quote]Bobby Knight was Saturday Night Live cringe worthy. However, the man was a brilliant tactician and motivator in a military like mentality. Jimmy B at Syracuse was also similar to Mullin in post game mandated pressers. My problem with Mullin was not his attitude but his comment. We, of all teams, don't need further scrutiny by refs on fouls. I know it was in the heat of defeat but a terrible sound bite nonetheless. BTW, the technical on Mully was ill timed. He should have used the motivational tech at the 10 minute mark and not when we were down 6 with 5 minutes left. A top assistant would have kept him in better control.
Unless Mullin and staff have a plan to bring Keita and Roberts along quickly this height issue is going to be a bigger problem than we anticipated.[/quote]
My biggest fear before this game was big teams with tons of talent. Like Duke. If we are rational we would admit even getting killed by their bigs we likely win at home w Shamorie. He is the #1 protagonist at doubling down on bigs in the post, harassing and disarming them. Also our best weapon in transition, and we would have beaten DePaul bigs down the floor again and again w him playing 38 mins.
Agree about Knight. Perhaps greatest coach ever.
