Possible Coaching Candidates

njfan said:
Speedy has name value recognition for recruiting . Former nba all star good record works hard. People said the same thing about weight. I respectfully disagree I would be happy with speedy . Unlike mullin this guy can and wants to coach
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He was a good player and an nba champion but never a full time starter and definitely never an all star. But if we start saying that now maybe we catch enough people by surprise. I think it’s the nickname.
 
Johnny Rapper said:
I can’t believe that posters would be happy with Speedy Clapton? What mid major coach that came to St. John’s had success prior? Coaching at a higher level has additional issues that a mid major job may not prepare you for. For one, recruiting against the big boys for prize recruits. Coach Anderson had a network of coaching connections and twenty years of coaching at a high level and yet over the course of 4 recruited classes he was only able to bring in one 4 star freshman. How would a mid major coach do?

The other issue for mid major coaches is that they will now be coaching against some of the finest coaching staffs in the country. How did Archie Miller do when he got to Indiana after several Dsnce appearances at Dayton?

Speedy Clapton may be good 5-6 years down the road, maybe, but St. Johns does not have 5 of 6 years to wait for that to happen.
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I'd be happy with Slowhand Clapton or Speedy Claxton. :rolleyes:
 
Johnny Rapper said:
I can’t believe that posters would be happy with Speedy Clapton? What mid major coach that came to St. John’s had success prior? Coaching at a higher level has additional issues that a mid major job may not prepare you for. For one, recruiting against the big boys for prize recruits. Coach Anderson had a network of coaching connections and twenty years of coaching at a high level and yet over the course of 4 recruited classes he was only able to bring in one 4 star freshman. How would a mid major coach do?

The other issue for mid major coaches is that they will now be coaching against some of the finest coaching staffs in the country. How did Archie Miller do when he got to Indiana after several Dsnce appearances at Dayton?

Speedy Clapton may be good 5-6 years down the road, maybe, but St. Johns does not have 5 of 6 years to wait for that to happen.
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Hiring a mid-major Coach is a risk (although any hire you make comes with an element of risk). However, it worked out well for Villanova when they hired Jay Wright, Duke when they hired Coach K. and Providence when they hired Ed Cooley to name but a few. St. John's went that route only once since Lou retired and that was with Fran Fraschilla. While here, he coached well and was probably our best post-Lou recruiter, putting together a roster that went to the Elite Eight and had future NBA players on it. Of course there were personal issues that let to Coach Fraschilla's demise, but it was neither his ability to recruit or his coaching acumen that did him in here.

Speedy Claxton has had a relatively brief coaching tenure and it is hard to fully evaluate his immediate successes as something that will be sustainable or will translate to a Program like ours. However, catching someone on the way up has worked in other places and it could work for us if we get the right guy.

Who is that right guy ?
Now that is the million dollar question that SJU desperately needs to answer correctly.
 
Andrew said:
There are a lot of names that get thrown around this thread and others that scare me and Speedy isn't one of them.

My least favorite are in no particular order
Jared Grasso
Mark Turgeon
Mike Brey
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Turgeon could be really interesting. I can handle Brey if I need to, but realize we'll be right back here again in five years. Grasso might be my least favorite name being mentioned anywhere on the board . . . and there have been some flat-out terrible suggestions.
 
L J S A said:
Turgeon could be really interesting. I can handle Brey if I need to, but realize we'll be right back here again in five years. Grasso might be my least favorite name being mentioned anywhere on the board . . . and there have been some flat-out terrible suggestions.
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I agree with you on Grasso. I think Brey was a good basketball coach but his profile is very similar to CMA. A few years ago Turgeon would have been interesting but his ending at Maryland struck me as a burnout and Willard has put together an NCAA tournament team with a core of players that Turgeon was struggling with. Maybe a year off helps him but I see another CMA. I just have a gut feeling about Speedy.
 
Andrew said:
There are a lot of names that get thrown around this thread and others that scare me and Speedy isn't one of them.

My least favorite are in no particular order
Jared Grasso
Mark Turgeon
Mike Brey
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It’s so interesting how much timing plays such a role in our searches. If Grasso went 15-2 again in his conference and made the NCAA tourney like he did last year, you would think he’d be a top candidate. Young, big time recruiter (especially locally and transfer market), success at mid major level multiple years. However, because he had a down year (for whatever reason), does that make him a worse coach compared to last year? I think we’d be jumping at the chance to hire him if he performed like last year.

With all that being said Speedy seems to be the guy. Right in our backyard. Paid his dues as an assistant and stayed home after his playing career. Seems like a guy who loves where he’s from and would represent SJU well and is a dedicated coach.
 
Wow. Speedy has been coached by Jay Wright, Larry Brown, and Greg Pop.

I know it's doesn't always translate, but he's been around 3 of the very best coaching minds.

says here Larry Brown is his biggest influence.

i know we all want the quick fix, but man, i think you have to give him the edge right now. young. nba experience. has coaching experience. local guy

 
redmen4life said:
Wow. Speedy has been coached by Jay Wright, Larry Brown, and Greg Pop.

I know it's doesn't always translate, but he's been around 3 of the very best coaching minds.

says here Larry Brown is his biggest influence.

i know we all want the quick fix, but man, i think you have to give him the edge right now. young. nba experience. has coaching experience. local guy

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And Norm was futures by the kansas coach.
 
MugCostanza said:
I have my reservations about Speedy because he only has two years on head coaching experience, both of which with a conference POY caliber player that he won't have the luxury of having throughout his career. He could turn out to be a star but I think it's more likely he'd be in over his head and we'll be doing this again in 5 years.

That said, going the mid major route has produced big success in this conference. Every coach in the top 5 of the conference has been at a mid major at some point in their careers before being recognized among the best coaches in college basketball. Very few coaches start out as a head coach at a power conference school, and if we were hiring a guy with no Head Coaching experience at all you'd be complaining about that too.
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OK Pug. But all the other coaches except for Halloway (who is a rare exception.) were mid majors quite some time ago and the landscape in college hoops has changed significantly since then. In terms of what I would or would not complain about, unlike yourself, excuse me for holding the school to a higher standard after decades of mis hires and screw ups.
 
Eric said:
Yea. Well going any route since Louie hasn’t been good long term. So say what you want about speedy and mid major. If not pitino. I got no problem with a young guy who has been an assistant head coach. Has 2 years head coaching under him with success. Has had a pretty good nba career WITH a championship ring THIS century. Sure he has one very good player on his team but his team
Is plenty more than Estrada as 3 guys are shooting it at 40% from 3 (and that doesn’t include Estrada). Anyway. Unless one of the big hitters is coming which we all have no idea at this point so why not speedy? To say he would be good 5-6 years down the line as opposed to now honestly doesn’t hold any water with me.
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If I takes 5 or 6 years, the program will be more of a joke then it already has been. As for those of us getting on in years, in 5 or 6 years some of us may not be around and those of us who still are may not be able to tell the difference between a basketball game and a water balloon fight. 😂👍
 
L J S A said:
Turgeon could be really interesting. I can handle Brey if I need to, but realize we'll be right back here again in five years. Grasso might be my least favorite name being mentioned anywhere on the board . . . and there have been some flat-out terrible suggestions.
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I like Turgeon, but will he'll come? Difference between the good up and comer and coaches like Brey? to me?

The up and comer that I listed have had good teams where there were at, and so that will keep me simi interested.
A coach like Brey and I know we'll be looking for a new coach in 4-5 years AGAIN. If that's the case then why even care.
 
SJUWillRockNYC said:
I like Turgeon, but will he'll come? Difference between the good up and comer and coaches like Brey? to me?

The up and comer that I listed have had good teams where there were at, and so that will keep me simi interested.
A coach like Brey and I know we'll be looking for a new coach in 4-5 years AGAIN. If that's the case then why even care.
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Because even if we hire an up and comer, and he does a good or bad job, we will still be looking for a new coach in 4-5 years. We need someone to build the brand. So that when he leaves, and they all leave, we will be in a good position to hire a coach we choose rather than a coach that chooses us.
 
AlBovino said:
Because even if we hire an up and comer, and he does a good or bad job, we will still be looking for a new coach in 4-5 years. We need someone to build the brand. So that when he leaves, and they all leave, we will be in a good position to hire a coach we choose rather than a coach that chooses us.
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Yeah and that man is out there, he could get us to the F4, to the NCAA Tournament every year, help big time at fund raises.
That right ,man could make this SJU head coaching job very attractable when he leaves.

But the bosses at SJU don't want him.
 
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